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01-25-2012, 10:40 PM
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Motivation could be a big factor in Hemskys recent play. What does he have to play for?
I wasn't even referring to his play, although he's not helping the Oil drive up his price in that regard either. He's an impending UFA with a pretty rough injury history, unless you're sure you want to re-sign him and that he'll accept, I don't know why any GM would pay too high price for him.

I'm not going to guess what he could net the Oil but the asking price (if true) is waaay off. Of course, every GM starts off asking for the moon, I doubt Tambellini thinks he'll actually get a package like that.

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01-25-2012, 10:41 PM
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Haha, they want what?!

Ya, good luck with that.

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01-25-2012, 10:42 PM
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I'm sorry but a player like Hemsky isn't going to return a high end prospect like Ellis or Blum. These types of prospects are never traded for rentals. Rental players usually only get a mid-grade prospect or one whose value was once high, but has fallen considerably.
Funny, I could've sworn Kaberle brought in a player that many Bruins fans deemed 'untouchable' at one point and a first round pick.

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01-25-2012, 10:43 PM
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Steep price.

The most I see any team giving up is what the Oilers got for Penner from the Kings - 1st + Good Prospect.

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I'm happy that Tambellini knows that this is the kind of return that Hemsky's talent level should yield. It's unfortunate that Hemsky's injury history and shoulder issues have sullied his image.

I, for one, hope that Tambellini is shrewd enough to hold on to Hemmer if he's unable to get a favourable return.

This is a team that needs NHL players right now and later. Hemsky is a very good one who happens to like it in Edmonton. Why throw that away if you aren't going to get the assets you expect in that deal?
Well, because you risk losing him for nothing in the off season. Maybe Oiler management does want him to stay but the fact that they are shopping him makes you wonder if Hemsky's days as an Oiler are numbered. They aren't in the playoff hunt, if they plan on parting ways there is no reason to not sell him to the highest bidder, no matter how bad the return is in Oiler fans eyes.

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01-25-2012, 10:48 PM
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Is there a player more over valued by their own organization/fan base than Hemsky? If he's as valuable as everyone in EDM thinks, why wouldn't other teams have lined up to get him in previous years and off seasons?

His value has only been falling ever the last few years, sure he's having a nice year now, nothing to gush over, but not to the extent that his value has climbed back to where it once was. If he's so valuable, why does everyone in Edmonton want him traded so badly? Keep him if that's the case.
Because he was our only top 6 forward. That's why we "overvalue" I guess. No line mates and lack of PMD to get him the puck can ruin an outsiders perspective if you don't watch him very night. The last month he has continually played with a top line talent and has been doing quite well. Oilers fans change there minds every week on players, most are getting impatient with the last three seasons and believe a drastic move like trading a top 6 forward for possibly, I'm not saying that his limit is, a defensive pp specialist is a need especially considering we run the pp thru RNH on the half wall, I don't think it's a huge need. Also we have a lot of college defenseman and would rather add a couple WHL or OHL type D to give us a mix.

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01-25-2012, 11:04 PM
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Unless the asking price drops, I would say that everyone is out of the running for Hemsky.
Wait till deadline. Everything is relative to the market.

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I don't think Hemsky is worth much to be honest, I think Oiler fans may be disappointed with the return regardless. That being said, Nashville could use a little injection of skill and that's exactly what Hemsky would bring.
Don't disagree, but from what I have read it maybe a sellers market this year. So it is really hard to know what his value will be.

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Tambellini would be foolish to move Hemsky before the trade deadline (if thats the plan). Create an auction for him and see how high you can drive up the price.

If they're only getting a second round pick for a guy who's 0.9 ppg since the lockout they better try their hardest to get him resigned. The chances of finding a player who will have as big of an impact on your roster as Hemsky does with a second round pick + some middling prospect are pretty low.

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01-25-2012, 11:37 PM
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I could understand Blum plus a mid rounder like a 4th or a 5th, but a first rounder makes no sense.

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I'd give up a 2nd rounder.

4 goals, risk injury, pending UFA.

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Funny, I could've sworn Kaberle brought in a player that many Bruins fans deemed 'untouchable' at one point and a first round pick.
a) Did Kaberle have a history of injuries anywhere near as bad as Hemsky?

b) I don't know how many times this has been said, but people keep forgetting it: PMD are one of the most sought-after assets in hockey. They are worth more than a skilled top-6 forward.

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His next contract. Players tend to play really hard in their last year so they can sign a contract for lots of money after the season is done.
No kidding but from interviews I have heard his agent is telling him he will still get the same range of money that he is getting now. The guy is being left in the dust by a bunch of teenagers. The media in Edmonton is starting to treat him like Penner now too. Just a bad environment for the guy contract year or not. His pass to Joe was nice though.

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01-26-2012, 12:18 AM
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I don't know how many times this has been said, but people keep forgetting it: PMD are one of the most sought-after assets in hockey. They are worth more than a skilled top-6 forward.
Depends on which team you're talking about. Do you think Nashville would pay more for a PMD than a top 6 forward?

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Steep price.

The most I see any team giving up is what the Oilers got for Penner from the Kings - 1st + Good Prospect.
Nice!! We get a first rounder along with Ellis. Sign me up

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I wasn't even referring to his play, although he's not helping the Oil drive up his price in that regard either. He's an impending UFA with a pretty rough injury history, unless you're sure you want to re-sign him and that he'll accept, I don't know why any GM would pay too high price for him.

I'm not going to guess what he could net the Oil but the asking price (if true) is waaay off. Of course, every GM starts off asking for the moon, I doubt Tambellini thinks he'll actually get a package like that.
He wont be resigned in Edmonton. As another poster said his PPG is 0.9 since lockout and he is under 30 which holds some value. Tambo got that package for Penner somehow so who knows what he thinks he can get for Hemsky. Hemsky has publicly stated that he wants to play in the playoffs now not later.

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Depends on which team you're talking about. Do you think Nashville would pay more for a PMD than a top 6 forward?
A very good point. We seem to need to review this on a daily basis that if a team has a legit shot for a playoff run AND a certain player addresses a need, previous trade deadlines suggest these teams will do whatever it takes to not only get their guy, but make sure the competition does not. Seeing as how Lebrun reported that DET is also interested in Hemsky, you'd have to figure that qualifies as one of the Preds most direct rivals/competition.

As of now, Hemsky is probably the second best forward available after Ruutu (unless Ryan and Carter are being actively shopped - both of whom won't be going for rental price tags, therefore not sure how much a contender will want to alter their lineup to bring them in). There are at least half a dozen playoff teams that could stand to bolster their top 6. Its called a market economy..... but thanks to the Canuck fans for their input on the matter which I'm sure was as unbiased as any opinion one could hope for

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Hemsky has been trash this season, nowhere close to as good as Nuge, Eberle, Hall or Smyth, and arguably not even as good as guys like Gagner, Horcoff or even Ryan Jones. Plus he's just a rental, and a very injury prone one at that, a team would be dealing for him just for the playoffs, and who says he'll even be healthy for the playoffs? Yes, he has a lot of talent, but acquiring Hemsky is a move that could SO EASILY not work out. My personal feeling is that Edmonton would be lucky to get a late 1st or a decent for him, and will get nothing close to Blum + 1st.

Then again, last offseason Burke got a 1st, 2nd and Colborne for the corpse of Kaberle, so stranger things have happened. But more often than not rentals yield underwhelming returns, and I expect this to be the case with Hemsky. If Nashville dealt for Hemsky, I'd expect it to be for their 1st and nothing else, or maybe a 2nd and a lower end d prospect like Charles-Olivier Roussel.

Also, does anyone really see the Oilers re-signing Hemsky? Not gonna happen IMO, it's deal him or have him walk for nothing.

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anyone who has watched the Preds play since Ellis and Josi joined the lineup should realize it will take a lot more than a rental to get one of them.

Im thinking if the want a defensive prospect it would be more like Ekholm or Laakso +a 2nd.

otherwise... pass.

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Kind of off topic but for some reason I have always wanted to see Hemsky on the Wings or Caps.

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a) Did Kaberle have a history of injuries anywhere near as bad as Hemsky?

b) I don't know how many times this has been said, but people keep forgetting it: PMD are one of the most sought-after assets in hockey. They are worth more than a skilled top-6 forward.
If you'd read the entire post, it was obviously a response to the "Rental players usually only get a mid-grade prospect" quote.

With that being said, if he is only a rental player, do you honestly believe his injury history puts a huge hit on his value this season if he's already proven that he's healthy?

Now, I have no intention of starting an argument on what he's going to get as a return. Blum and a first would be a crazy risk for Poile, especially when it's so soon before the deadline. But those people saying his value is ~a 2nd round pick are seriously underestimating how valuable a skill player of his calibre can be to a potential championship team.

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I'd say take out the 1st from Nashville and its a lot closer. Hemsky isn't worth all that much.

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How do I feel??? I feel great knowing that we wouldn't give up those kinda of guys for a rental glass man. Kudos to Poile. That's why our organization keeps making the playoffs: smart moves.

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I don't post much on here, but had to add my two cents to the Hemsky talk. I hear too much about how us Oiler fans are expecting way too much for him at the deadline. While there certainly are those types of posters (with all teams), I think there are more Oiler fans than people realize not expecting the moon for Ales - given his injury history, contract & current play. If we could get a Penner type return, I would be very happy.

Honestly however, at this point, I would prefer to resign him. I don't expect that to happen. Talent like his, doesn't come around everyday - even given his injuries. I think Hall & Hemmer are starting to find some chemistry as well.

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I'm sorry but a player like Hemsky isn't going to return a high end prospect like Ellis or Blum. These types of prospects are never traded for rentals. Rental players usually only get a mid-grade prospect or one whose value was once high, but has fallen considerably.
very much true, i like the predators and I dont get why they would even consider this.

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