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01-29-2012, 12:07 PM
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd rather re-sign AK than have Penner on the Habs..
If we get Penner it will be as a salary dump, not sure how it's a bad thing. No risk high reward.

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01-29-2012, 12:08 PM
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Moen+Gill for Penner?

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01-29-2012, 12:12 PM
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Moen+Gill for Penner?
Why the heck would we do that?

Penner has negative value...LA would have to give us a 3rd just to get rid of his cap hit. Moen is worth at least a 2nd and Gill at least a 3rd.

They would have to add a 1st or 2 x 2nds to make that deal.

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01-29-2012, 12:29 PM
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Gill (or Moen) for Penner+4th?

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01-29-2012, 12:36 PM
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Gill (or Moen) for Penner+4th?
No... both Gill and Moen are worth more than a 4th, and Penner has zero value to the Habs... none whatsoever.

If you really want him you can sign him on July 1st, he's not going to be in huge demand.

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01-29-2012, 12:41 PM
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where did all this Penner ******** start from?

Not one source mentioned Penner, only the fans, the same fans who when Cammalleri was traded mentioned Stajan...how did that work out for you guys?

You guys create your own drama.
Started cause Gauthier wanted Penner from last year so people are assuming he will be going after him. Hopefully Gauthier got a good lock at him while in California and decided that he didn't want him anymore and if he does he should be available on July 1st cause I don't think many teams will be targeting him

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01-29-2012, 12:48 PM
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Started cause Gauthier wanted Penner from last year so people are assuming he will be going after him. Hopefully Gauthier got a good lock at him while in California and decided that he didn't want him anymore and if he does he should be available on July 1st cause I don't think many teams will be targeting him
Who is to say that Gauthier went to California for Penner?

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Moen+Gill for Penner?
That is the dumbest trade proposal I have ever read...

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01-29-2012, 01:07 PM
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Started cause Gauthier wanted Penner from last year so people are assuming he will be going after him. Hopefully Gauthier got a good lock at him while in California and decided that he didn't want him anymore and if he does he should be available on July 1st cause I don't think many teams will be targeting him
We have nothing more than mere speculation that Gauthier wanted him last year.

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01-29-2012, 02:12 PM
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No....how about Kostitsyn, Moen, Leblanc for Jack Johnson?
I'm not a Jack Johnson fan. He's shaky defensively and selfish. Doesn't make the players around him better.

Penner would be a dumb mistake. Just as dumb as Kaberle.

I don't understand Gauthier. He makes a solid trade for Bourque, but he's also capable of trading for Kaberle. And he didn't shop Halak around. Don't understand him.

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01-29-2012, 02:14 PM
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Habs aren't going to trade their pending UFAs for UFAs in return.

Saying we are trying for Penner is just idiotic!

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01-29-2012, 02:56 PM
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Montreal has trouble scoring goals, so yeah...trading for a guy who has scored a grand total of 3 goals this year is the answer LOL

Quick, let's put him on a line with Scott Gomez! 11 million dollars for 3 goals woohoo!

Oh yeah, let's go after a guy like Jack Johnson who has proven to be a career minus guy -86!

People say don't put too much stock into plus/minus, I say hogwash!

If Montreal gets rid of Hal Gill and Travis Moen, it won't be for anyone coming off the books. Common sense dictates one would want an asset back or two, either immediate or draft picks.


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I'm not a Jack Johnson fan. He's shaky defensively and selfish. Doesn't make the players around him better.

Penner would be a dumb mistake. Just as dumb as Kaberle.

I don't understand Gauthier. He makes a solid trade for Bourque, but he's also capable of trading for Kaberle. And he didn't shop Halak around. Don't understand him.
How do you know he didn't shop Halak? Do you have his phone bugged?

The Kaberle trade we won by 3 miles. Right now Kaberle doesn't even take any cap room with Markov on LITR and once he comes back Kaberle has a lot more value than in November so he can be moved for young assets.

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Started cause Gauthier wanted Penner from last year so people are assuming he will be going after him. Hopefully Gauthier got a good lock at him while in California and decided that he didn't want him anymore and if he does he should be available on July 1st cause I don't think many teams will be targeting him
Grant McCagg who has connections with the team said they had no interest in Penner last year and likely don't again this year. Love how people believe everything they read on the internet.

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Montreal has trouble scoring goals, so yeah...trading for a guy who has scored a grand total of 3 goals this year is the answer LOL

Quick, let's put him on a line with Scott Gomez! 11 million dollars for 3 goals woohoo!

Oh yeah, let's go after a guy like Jack Johnson who has proven to be a career minus guy -86!

People say don't put too much stock into plus/minus, I say hogwash!

If Montreal gets rid of Hal Gill and Travis Moen, it won't be for anyone coming off the books. Common sense dictates one would want an asset back or two, either immediate or draft picks.
The best way is to get picks and prospects, then use the cap room on a UFA forward.

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01-29-2012, 05:16 PM
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The best way is to get picks and prospects, then use the cap room on a UFA forward.
The problem going through UFA, Montreal has to overpay players to come here. Montreal isn't exactly the place of choice. Overpay guys by a million dollars more than other teams or add extra years, that is the only way we got Cole (extra year), Cammalerri (6 million bucks, he ain't worth it) and Gionta (Years and 5 Million dollars).

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01-29-2012, 05:25 PM
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The problem going through UFA, Montreal has to overpay players to come here. Montreal isn't exactly the place of choice. Overpay guys by a million dollars more than other teams or add extra years, that is the only way we got Cole (extra year), Cammalerri (6 million bucks, he ain't worth it) and Gionta (Years and 5 Million dollars).
So like C_P said.... get as many picks and prospects as possible and try to develop your own players. What is wrong with this approach?

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01-29-2012, 05:29 PM
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So like C_P said.... get as many picks and prospects as possible and try to develop your own players. What is wrong with this approach?
Absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, just the UFA approach...costs Montreal too much all the time, in terms of years and dollars.

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Until Montreal gets a bona fide #1 centre, they're not going anywhere. Draft one, trade for one or sign one.

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Until Montreal gets a bona fide #1 centre, they're not going anywhere. Draft one, trade for one or sign one.
I don't think there's any chance the Kings trade Kopitar, if that's your point.

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The problem going through UFA, Montreal has to overpay players to come here. Montreal isn't exactly the place of choice. Overpay guys by a million dollars more than other teams or add extra years, that is the only way we got Cole (extra year), Cammalerri (6 million bucks, he ain't worth it) and Gionta (Years and 5 Million dollars).
Of the three the only one worth it was Cole. And Martin was ******** on him since day one!

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Gill (or Moen) for Penner+4th?
Wow you make Gauthier look like a trade genius with a proposal like that.

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The problem going through UFA, Montreal has to overpay players to come here. Montreal isn't exactly the place of choice. Overpay guys by a million dollars more than other teams or add extra years, that is the only way we got Cole (extra year), Cammalerri (6 million bucks, he ain't worth it) and Gionta (Years and 5 Million dollars).
Montreal will always be at a disadvantage in the cap NHL because it's a hard-cap which doesn't take into account Quebecois income tax. If the cap were truly equitable, it would be pro-rated for Montreal to be able to spend as much as other teams do in real dollars going to players. While the numbers count the same as cap hit, I guarantee you that players and agents take the higher taxes into consideration and force the Habs to slightly higher salaries than they would be able to elsewhere.

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The problem going through UFA, Montreal has to overpay players to come here. Montreal isn't exactly the place of choice. Overpay guys by a million dollars more than other teams or add extra years, that is the only way we got Cole (extra year), Cammalerri (6 million bucks, he ain't worth it) and Gionta (Years and 5 Million dollars).
If you're signing role players as UFA's even if you overpay it doesn't cost THAT much...look at Moen...3 years 4.5 mil, even with a bit of overpayment it was a good signing.

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Or, you could end up swapping UFAs and having both re-sign with their respective teams. A guy like Penner playing up to his potential would definitely be an asset, just like a guy like AK playing up to his potential.

Assets aren't just rookies or UFA players, sometimes they are other UFAs that you hope to sign before the end of the season. If draft picks were always the way to build a winner, the Islanders would be the league's powerhouse, and the Oilers wouldn't be struggling right now.
Penner has always been a much bigger floater then AK ever was. Getting Penner would be a horrible mistake. The guy doesn't even hit.

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