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01-26-2012, 06:20 PM
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I actually don't think Selanne will return anything significant like a 1st round pick only because he completely controls his fate. I just don't think that Selanne is going to give that many options, if any at all, to be moved. And I don't think Murray is going to make a big stink over it because they have such respect for each other. Once some GM gets that call from Murray about Selanne, it's going to be a really quick give me this and this which won't be much because he'll just want to get it done for Selanne's sake.

I would say a 2nd and prospect for Selanne and if it's with the Sharks, that's not going to be much.
I agree with all of this.

It's going to be something that's out of the blue that shocks everyone.

There won't be a bidding war for him because he won't ask for a trade, and if he does, I think it will be last minute and won't give nearly enough time to create a bidding war, and that's if Murray even asks if he wants to be dealt.

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I actually don't think Selanne will return anything significant like a 1st round pick only because he completely controls his fate. I just don't think that Selanne is going to give that many options, if any at all, to be moved. And I don't think Murray is going to make a big stink over it because they have such respect for each other. Once some GM gets that call from Murray about Selanne, it's going to be a really quick give me this and this which won't be much because he'll just want to get it done for Selanne's sake.

I would say a 2nd and prospect for Selanne and if it's with the Sharks, that's not going to be much.
True, value does decrease if options are limited. Selanne could want to help the Ducks and waive so they get assets for him but he also has the choice to stay put. It remains to be seen what happens but I wouldn't bet money on him being moved. Like I said, I think it's more likely they move a core piece like Ryan.

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01-26-2012, 06:29 PM
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True, value does decrease if options are limited. Selanne could want to help the Ducks and waive so they get assets for him but he also has the choice to stay put. It remains to be seen what happens but I wouldn't bet money on him being moved. Like I said, I think it's more likely they move a core piece like Ryan.
I wouldn't put it past Selanne to open the market up for the benefit of the Ducks but I just don't think he is willing to go so far as to potentially be dealt to the east coast even for just a few months and be that far away from his family to be that good to the organization.

I've long believed that San Jose makes the most sense in terms of having a chance at the Cup and being close to the family to make it work for him. Vancouver was also in there but just not as close. LA is out because of the regime in charge there. Phoenix is out as a Cup contender. Same as Colorado. Those are the only places that would have made any sense in terms of proximity to the family.

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01-26-2012, 06:31 PM
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I agree with all of this.

It's going to be something that's out of the blue that shocks everyone.

There won't be a bidding war for him because he won't ask for a trade, and if he does, I think it will be last minute and won't give nearly enough time to create a bidding war, and that's if Murray even asks if he wants to be dealt.
Nonsense. The GM's are discussing it now. They'll be discussing it right up until the trade deadline. They'll know based on what the Ducks do if there's a chance of him being traded and it's unlikely any will pass up the chance to add a PPG PP specialist. Anyone who thinks the other GM's haven't already put in bids or felt out what Murray would want is deluding themselves, this isn't a last minute bidding war. If it is, you need a new GM.

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01-26-2012, 06:34 PM
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Nonsense. The GM's are discussing it now. They'll be discussing it right up until the trade deadline. They'll know based on what the Ducks do if there's a chance of him being traded and it's unlikely any will pass up the chance to add a PPG PP specialist. Anyone who thinks the other GM's haven't already put in bids or felt out what Murray would want is deluding themselves, this isn't a last minute bidding war. If it is, you need a new GM.
I sincerely doubt that Murray has even discussed what he would want for Selanne. I'm sure plenty have inquired and he has told them exactly what he's told the media. He's not going anywhere unless he asks to go. There would be no purpose in discussing actual details of a trade involving Selanne because he has no intention of moving him and if he does, it will be to a place of Selanne's choosing. He can work out the details if and when that moment arises.

There's almost never a bidding war for a player with an NMC.

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01-26-2012, 06:35 PM
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Nonsense. The GM's are discussing it now. They'll be discussing it right up until the trade deadline. They'll know based on what the Ducks do if there's a chance of him being traded and it's unlikely any will pass up the chance to add a PPG PP specialist. Anyone who thinks the other GM's haven't already put in bids or felt out what Murray would want is deluding themselves, this isn't a last minute bidding war. If it is, you need a new GM.
Does not change the fact that Sellane will likely not waive for most teams, and is totally in charge of his destination. A guy like DW knows this and will gamble that he is one of those teams and thus submit a lower bid. If Selanne comes back and says "ok I will only waive for San Jose" the Ducks will either have to take that bid, or just not trade him (which I doubt, because if Selanne wants another shot at the cup, the Ducks will do the right thing for him, regardless of the return).

That is how DW operates, and it's smart. Selanne will not necessarily (or likely) go to the highest bidder.

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01-26-2012, 06:44 PM
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Does not change the fact that Sellane will likely not waive for most teams, and is totally in charge of his destination. A guy like DW knows this and will gamble that he is one of those teams and thus submit a lower bid. If Selanne comes back and says "ok I will only waive for San Jose" the Ducks will either have to take that bid, or just not trade him (which I doubt, because if Selanne wants another shot at the cup, the Ducks will do the right thing for him, regardless of the return).

That is how DW operates, and it's smart. Selanne will not necessarily (or likely) go to the highest bidder.
He will go to the highest bidder he approves of being traded to. In a recent interview he was asked which other teams he enjoyed watching play. The response was Detroit, Chicago, and Boston. Not Winnipeg, not San Jose. Draw your own conclusions.

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I've long believed that San Jose makes the most sense in terms of having a chance at the Cup and being close to the family to make it work for him.
It's not like San Jose is a thirty-minute drive away.

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01-26-2012, 06:58 PM
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aaannd who are you? lol
Someone who actually pays attention. In my opinion Teemu will not ask for a trade so pretty sure that falls into my thinking of I don't think a trade is going to happen.

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Please please please please go to the Bruins IF ANY. I hate the other 3 teams and it would pain me to see Teemu win 1 for them.

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01-26-2012, 08:28 PM
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Van is close to his home and with Selanne playing with either the sedins ..imagine how many goals he would have in the playoffs


or can join kesler and Booth on one of the fastest lines around

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For the love of god Teemu, just retire as a Duck! Not interested in watching you dog it again in a Sharks uniform.
Three words: goal. line. trickle.

It still hurts.


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Hope it's not SJ, if we trade at the deadline for a top 6 winger I would want more than 4 months out of the player. Tired of giving up picks and prospects for rentals.

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It's not like San Jose is a thirty-minute drive away.
It is for Teemu.

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If the Sharks are thinking about it, I'd love to know why the team across the street hasn't been.

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If the Sharks are thinking about it, I'd love to know why the team across the street hasn't been.
I'm sure the Kings have thought of it but I really doubt Teemu wants to go there. He's dealt with that regime before and it wasn't his most pleasant experience.

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I'm sure the Kings have thought of it but I really doubt Teemu wants to go there. He's dealt with that regime before.
You mean under Dean-o (DL)?

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You mean under Dean-o (DL)?
And Darryl Sutter.

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I'm sure the Kings have thought of it but I really doubt Teemu wants to go there. He's dealt with that regime before and it wasn't his most pleasant experience.
I think Dean Lombardi would overpay for Teemu before Doug Wilson would...

All in all I just don't think Doug Wilson wants to give his future players to the Ducks. And I'm sure Anaheim would want Demers, Braun, Wingles or some other prospect DW likes.

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I'm sure the Kings have thought of it but I really doubt Teemu wants to go there. He's dealt with that regime before and it wasn't his most pleasant experience.
it wasnt a pleasant experience for me either

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I think Dean Lombardi would overpay for Teemu before Doug Wilson would...

All in all I just don't think Doug Wilson wants to give his future players to the Ducks. And I'm sure Anaheim would want Demers, Braun, Wingles or some other prospect DW likes.
It really doesn't matter if Lombardi would or not because I sincerely doubt Selanne would okay a trade to Los Angeles because of Lombardi and Sutter.

And DW has already given futures to the Ducks before and doing it for Selanne is a lot better idea than his previous attempt at it.

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It really doesn't matter if Lombardi would or not because I sincerely doubt Selanne would okay a trade to Los Angeles because of Lombardi and Sutter.

And DW has already given futures to the Ducks before and doing it for Selanne is a lot better idea than his previous attempt at it.
Demers and Braun are much better than anything DW has given up to the Ducks before.

But agree to disagree.

All that to say I think the idea that Selanne would consider a trade to SJ because of its proximity to SoCal also applies in to a trade to the Kings.

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Demers and Braun are much better than anything DW has given up to the Ducks before.

But agree to disagree.

All that to say I think the idea that Selanne would consider a trade to SJ because of its proximity to SoCal also applies in to a trade to the Kings.
What makes you think Demers or Braun would be involved at all here? Those two aren't futures. Those are presents.

I've already laid out two good reasons why the Kings likely aren't on Selanne's list of places he'd accept a trade to.

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Nonsense. The GM's are discussing it now. They'll be discussing it right up until the trade deadline. They'll know based on what the Ducks do if there's a chance of him being traded and it's unlikely any will pass up the chance to add a PPG PP specialist. Anyone who thinks the other GM's haven't already put in bids or felt out what Murray would want is deluding themselves, this isn't a last minute bidding war. If it is, you need a new GM.
How is that non-sense?

Selanne doesn't want to leave, and Murray isn't going to go out of his way to trade him. Plus, he's not going to approve to a lot of teams at his age, and force himself far away from his family. He's already won a cup, and he's over the age of 40. If he hadn't won a cup already, I would understand, but that is not the case.

Felt out? Maybe. I highly doubt there's been any serious talks about Selanne yet, especially with the Ducks playing ten times better than they've played all year as of right now and trying to make a run.

There's no non-sense in any of my post if you actually take a minute to step back and think about it instead of coming out and saying anyone who doesn't think of what you're thinking of is delusional.

There are tons of factors that you've left out in a discussion like this, the most important being family and living arrangements. Family plays a lot more of a factor the older you get. Not only that, but the fact that Murray isn't going to be like Glen Sather and pull what Sather did to Leetch in 2004 is another thing to consider as well. I could keep going if you'd like.

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I don't think the divisional rivals factors much at all. If the Ducks are trading him, it means they're out of the playoffs (or don't think they have a shot) so they might as well get picks/prospects for their players. And there's precedent here with the Huskins/Moen trade.
Can we get refunds from the Huskins/Moen trade, and use them to acquire Selanne?

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