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04-04-2012, 03:56 PM
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Because he's coming from 3 straight 20+ goals season, he's big and strong and considering the Habs gave Cammalleri for him, he more than deserve a chance to redeem his ****** season with the Habs.
Exactly. I have no problem giving Bourque a fresh start.. what confuses me though, is why everyone has Geoffrion in their line up. He has shown nothing. He doesn't fit in the top 6, and I'd rather have Staubitz or even... Darche.. on the 4th line.

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Exactly. I have no problem giving Bourque a fresh start.. what confuses me though, is why everyone has Geoffrion in their line up. He has shown nothing. He doesn't fit in the top 6, and I'd rather have Staubitz or even... Darche.. on the 4th line.
Disagree. Geoffrion at this point is a younger Darche who will only improve + physicality.

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04-04-2012, 03:59 PM
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Disagree. Geoffrion at this point is a younger Darche who will only improve + physicality.
Yeah, Darche is done in my book. Give him a pro scout jobs so he stay in the org as he is a really nice guy. Plus, he has degree in management from McGill, why not let him grow in the org so he can become a GM or some role in the hockey dept.?

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Yeah, Darche is done in my book. Give him a pro scout jobs so he stay in the org as he is a really nice guy. Plus, he has degree in management from McGill, why not let him grow in the org so he can become a GM or some role in the hockey dept.?
Aren't we looking for more Q scouts?

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04-04-2012, 04:17 PM
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Disagree. Geoffrion at this point is a younger Darche who will only improve + physicality.
Yeah, you're right.. so maybe not Darche, but still.. there is a lot of players I'd put on the 4th line before Geoffrion.

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04-04-2012, 04:48 PM
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Yeah, you're right.. so maybe not Darche, but still.. there is a lot of players I'd put on the 4th line before Geoffrion.
Moen-White-Staubitz. That's my 4th line.

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04-04-2012, 05:00 PM
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Moen-White-Staubitz. That's my 4th line.
Replace White with Gaustad and that's a sexy 4th line.

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Replace White with Gaustad and that's a sexy 4th line.
Is it really worth it to pay Gaustad near $3M to play 4th line center?

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Is it really worth it to pay Gaustad near $3M to play 4th line center?
+1. White does the job fine.

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Is it really worth it to pay Gaustad near $3M to play 4th line center?
I would pay him that for the sole fact we desperately need someone to win faceoffs. We have had no one to take important FOs. That needs to change.
I would let Moen walk to sign Gaustad. I would also let Staubitz go. If we're gonna have a player that is solely here to fight, might as well get a better/bigger one in McGrattan.

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04-04-2012, 05:37 PM
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I would pay him that for the sole fact we desperately need someone to win faceoffs. We have had no one to take important FOs. That needs to change.
I would let Moen walk to sign Gaustad. I would also let Staubitz go. If we're gonna have a player that is solely here to fight, might as well get a better/bigger one in McGrattan.
I'd rather go with Jay McClement who will be cheaper. But yeah, I don't want White playing center. I was really asking the question, is it worth it?

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04-04-2012, 05:48 PM
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I would pay him that for the sole fact we desperately need someone to win faceoffs. We have had no one to take important FOs. That needs to change.
I would let Moen walk to sign Gaustad. I would also let Staubitz go. If we're gonna have a player that is solely here to fight, might as well get a better/bigger one in McGrattan.
I'd take both. That or Pahlsson. I might prefer Palhsson, will cost less and be just as valuable. I'd keep Darche as the 13th foward, he won't whine when he's not playing and he can play defence+kill penalties.

Pretty sure that Plekanec takes the important faceoffs because the important faceoffs usually occurs against the opposition's best (well when RC is coaching it's DD backed up by Campoli-Kaberle on D). Plek is 55%+ on ES D zone faceoffs anyway. Though we need someone to take faceoffs in the Dzone so Plek doesn't get stuck on a 40% Ozone start next year, that I agree with.

Edit: Just saw the post before mine, McClement could be good too. About 50% on ES Dzone faceoffs but can handle a +-35% Ozone start and push the play in the right direction and handle relatively hard minutes.

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Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
UFA: ( Semin, Hemsky, Parenteau, Sykora )- Plekanec - Gionta
Moen-Eller-Leblanc ( Eller/Leblanc could switch )
Palushaj- White- Staubitz

I'd like to see Grigorenko playing on the second or third line at some point of the season. We need a LW that can produce on the second line Bourque has 8 pts in 35 games, we don't need to give him a fresh start, anyone saying the contrary not seeing the whole picture, let alone he has a +/- of -17 third worst of the team behind Plekanec - 18 and Emelin -19.

Markov - Subban
UFA - Kaberle
St-Denis - Emelin
Diaz -Weber

We're lacking size in the D end, Tinordi would be great with his 6.7 and this year or next he will have an impact. Suter, Wideman will be on the market they're not tall but they could make a difference.

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04-04-2012, 05:57 PM
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I'd take both. That or Pahlsson. I might prefer Palhsson, will cost less and be just as valuable. I'd keep Darche as the 13th foward, he won't whine when he's not playing and he can play defence+kill penalties.

Pretty sure that Plekanec takes the important faceoffs because the important faceoffs usually occurs against the opposition's best (well when RC is coaching it's DD backed up by Campoli-Kaberle on D). Plek is 55%+ on ES D zone faceoffs anyway. Though we need someone to take faceoffs in the Dzone so Plek doesn't get stuck on a 40% Ozone start next year, that I agree with.
Problem with that is McGrattan would be the 13th forward. White-gaustad-Geoffrion/McGrattan.
No room for Darche..

As for Plekanec, he also happened to be our best defensive forward as well as FO guy. But lat year we used Halpern, and before, Moore. If we have a guy like Gaustad, we don't have to worry about that anymore.

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Is it really worth it to pay Gaustad near $3M to play 4th line center?
No but if he would take similar money to what he's making now, why not.

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04-04-2012, 06:17 PM
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I think having Gaustad would be tremendous. He can step in as a 3rd line center if we need him and would otherwise be a great 4th line center/defensive specialist. Less pressure on Plekanec to do all the work and a lot more toughness in the lineup. I'd rather have White as a winger anyways, he can take faceoffs if Gaustad is thrown out.

Moen-Gaustad-White

Sounds like an amazing shut down line to me!

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Problem with that is McGrattan would be the 13th forward. White-gaustad-Geoffrion/McGrattan.
No room for Darche..

As for Plekanec, he also happened to be our best defensive forward as well as FO guy. But lat year we used Halpern, and before, Moore. If we have a guy like Gaustad, we don't have to worry about that anymore.
Considering how cursed we are in terms of injuries, I'd prefer that our 13th foward can play hockey (and as much as people hate him because he's been overused, Darche can do that). Having a guy who doesn't mind sitting when asked, can handle tough minutes in a pinch when needed, and kill penalties seems like the perfect 13th foward to me. McGrattan plays heavily sheltered minutes and he gets outplayed in them. What do you do when you want to play him if you want a usefull 4th line that can take defensive responsabilities? He can't handle that.

And I mostly meant that Plek usually took the most important faceoffs anyway (thought I could be wrong). Agreed that he needs help, we can't have him on grinders zone start next year.

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Moen-White-Staubitz. That's my 4th line.
Moen is a 3rd line player and if it was not for his injury he would of scored 20+ goals this season.

Secondly, all we need to do is build our 2nd line, get a very big, strong and faceoff specialist 4th line centre and maybe a depth defenseman.

So...

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Penner - Plekanec - Gionta
Bourque - Eller - Moen
Geoffrion - Gaustad - White
Leblanc
Palushaj

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Kaberle - Allen
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Moen-White-Staubitz. That's my 4th line.
Geoffrion-Gomez-Staubitz is mine

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The keys to the forwards for next season are...

1) Have two capable wingers for Plekanec.
2) Have a true, veteran shutdown fourth line centre that is good on faceoffs and the penalty kill so that Plekanec can focus on being an offensive player. Have the fourth line wingers as Moen and White.
3) If you haven't completed step 2, ****ing do so. Because Eller-Leblanc need the ice time to continue flourishing offensively and the way to do that is not by trying to mold them into checking forwards.

I don't know who the best option would be. Someone like pre-eye injury Manny Malhotra, or a Moore type player like when we had the line of Moen - Moore - Lapierre in the playoffs. A true shutdown line that can handle tough minutes during the year and step their games up when the team is in the playoffs.

Moen - Stoll - White would be a good 3B/4th line that can play 12 minutes a night and grind it out, with all three guys capable of moving up the lineup giving good depth. You bring in a monster winger to go with Gio with Plekanec, and have Bourque with Eller-Leblanc.

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+1. White does the job fine.
Agree. But he should really pick his fights better. Heck I'm sure he'd be willing to drop the gloves versus John Scott ffs!

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Penner - Plekanec - Gionta
Worst move ever. If Penner gets in Montreal, I kill myself. Seriously what's the point of bringing that guy after getting rid of Pouliot, Kostitsyn... More over, we already got a Bourque!

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04-06-2012, 01:02 AM
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Considering how cursed we are in terms of injuries, I'd prefer that our 13th foward can play hockey (and as much as people hate him because he's been overused, Darche can do that). Having a guy who doesn't mind sitting when asked, can handle tough minutes in a pinch when needed, and kill penalties seems like the perfect 13th foward to me. McGrattan plays heavily sheltered minutes and he gets outplayed in them. What do you do when you want to play him if you want a usefull 4th line that can take defensive responsabilities? He can't handle that.

And I mostly meant that Plek usually took the most important faceoffs anyway (thought I could be wrong). Agreed that he needs help, we can't have him on grinders zone start next year.
What they need isn't a guy to take important defensive zone draws on the 4th line. They already have that in Plekanec and Eller can pitch in in that role because you need a two-way player of a certain caliber for those kinds of things.

What they need is a 4th line center that can take relatively un-important defensive zone draws against medium to weak opponents so the middle six have less defensive responsibilities. Guys like a Halpern, Pahlsson, healthy Betts etc. are perfect for that. If you can fix the depth so guys like Moen, Darche and White are the wingers on such a line that would be ideal.

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Moen is a 3rd line player and if it was not for his injury he would of scored 20+ goals this season.

Secondly, all we need to do is build our 2nd line, get a very big, strong and faceoff specialist 4th line centre and maybe a depth defenseman.

So...

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Penner - Plekanec - Gionta
Bourque - Eller - Moen
Geoffrion - Gaustad - White
Leblanc
Palushaj

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Kaberle - Allen
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Price
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1. 20+ goals for Travis Moen? No WAY!
2. If you start a season with Dustin Penner on your 2nd line, you're gonna have a bad time
3. Leblanc needs more playing time
4. Where is Diaz?

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1. 20+ goals for Travis Moen? No WAY!
2. If you start a season with Dustin Penner on your 2nd line, you're gonna have a bad time
3. Leblanc needs more playing time
4. Where is Diaz?
1) He had 9 goals in 48 games, that's on pace for 17 goals and the fact that Bourque was not doing anything on the 2nd line and Gionta's injury, Moen has a chance to play on the 2nd line for a while, he was in top shape this season and in my opinion had a point to prove, plus it was a contract year! I think he would of scored 18 to 20 goals at least.

2) People were all saying Erik Cole at $4,500,000.00 a season was a bad signing, that he would be a bust in Montreal, Penner had 32 goals in games two seasons ago on a HORRIBLE and LAST PLACE Oilers team, plus he is married to a Montreal chick so personally, I think he would thrive here.

3) Leblanc is not 100% NHL ready yet, the francophones in this city think he's a 1st line player, but the reality is that he is a fringe 2nd line centre or 3rd line winger.

4) Diaz and Weber are both trade bait in my opinion, I think the defensive core is Markov, Emelin, Gorges, Subban and (Kaberle possibly), we need more experience on the back end and don't be surprise if St-Denis and Tinordi are both playing in Montreal as regulars soon.

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Get Gaustad or Arnott in to play the role that they play in this year.

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