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01-21-2017, 12:33 AM
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Chicago Guys Key To Extending Window?

Could the Chicago area guys (Darling, Hartman, Hinostroza) be the key to extending the competitive window?

If they take real hometown discounts (Hawks were their team growing up, and hopefully they want to help them win), how much could that extend the window?

If Darling can be a competent starter, that saves at least $3 million over Crawford.

Hartman and Hinostroza are on ELCs through next year, but could take discounts to stick around beyond that as legit top-9 forwards.

I guess I'm just hoping to see these guys lock in well below market value in order to help the Hawks win. Thoughts?

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01-21-2017, 12:45 AM
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Could the Chicago area guys (Darling, Hartman, Hinostroza) be the key to extending the competitive window?

If they take real hometown discounts (Hawks were their team growing up, and hopefully they want to help them win), how much could that extend the window?

If Darling can be a competent starter, that saves at least $3 million over Crawford.

Hartman and Hinostroza are on ELCs through next year, but could take discounts to stick around beyond that as legit top-9 forwards.

I guess I'm just hoping to see these guys lock in well below market value in order to help the Hawks win. Thoughts?

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If they trade Crawford and sign darling to say 4 mill they are probably signing another backup at 2-3 mill

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If they trade Crawford and sign darling to say 4 mill they are probably signing another backup at 2-3 mill
Well my thinking hinges on Darling taking much less than that.

If he demands 4 mill, that kind of blows up this whole scenario.

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If they trade Crawford and sign darling to say 4 mill they are probably signing another backup at 2-3 mill
Then there's no point.

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for that to work Darling would need a bridge deal for say 3 years at 2.5 or 2.8 or so. Crow/kruger and Seabrook.....two of them have to go soon

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Then there's no point.
There isn't any point darling isn't taking a enough of a discount and acquiring enough a high quality backup/contingency where they would be okay being the higher paid goalie and the backup

So you are looking at darling at 2.5-4 mill low end backup is not a option. Because if darling spits the bit you are back to square one looking for no.1

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If any of these young guys in a position to cash in, they're not going to give up a big payday.

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They shouldn't take any hometown discount. Why would they? Go and cash in elsewhere.

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I mean, what? They are on their ELC's. They are not going to cash after these deals.

If they score around 50 points each in next year, I could still see them combined $4 million in cap hits. First bigger deals, hometown team. I think Andrew Shaw's first deal is quite good comparable. He signed that $2mil a year after 39 point season.

They have all the time to cash in after their next deals if they can keep it going. And this isn't pointed to OP.

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to help the Hawks win. Thoughts?

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Love the disclaimer! I thought I was the only one that had a few drinks and started posting stuff.

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If they trade Crawford and sign darling to say 4 mill they are probably signing another backup at 2-3 mill
I don't think so. They would go cheap again. The Hawks found Darling and Raanta and I have confidence they would find someone else.

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Could the Chicago area guys (Darling, Hartman, Hinostroza) be the key to extending the competitive window?

If they take real hometown discounts (Hawks were their team growing up, and hopefully they want to help them win), how much could that extend the window?

If Darling can be a competent starter, that saves at least $3 million over Crawford.

Hartman and Hinostroza are on ELCs through next year, but could take discounts to stick around beyond that as legit top-9 forwards.

I guess I'm just hoping to see these guys lock in well below market value in order to help the Hawks win. Thoughts?

#BeverageInducedThoughts
i like this thread, but i will take this idea from darling vs craw in trades and who will be the hawks future #1 goalie. instead i will constraint what is really needed. what is need is a constant influx of talent to keep the team fresh and hungry, by doing that the fo will need to make subtle changes for the team. this is what i have been ranting on will continue to rant.

that is how this org can transform itself into a dynastic team for the new age in the cba era.

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I don't think so. They would go cheap again. The Hawks found Darling and Raanta and I have confidence they would find someone else.
Yeah and if darling spits the bit you are likely without a actual number one goalie.

You can take that risk with crawford because he's a top end number one goalie and let the backup develop and if the backup is still bad it's no big deal because you have top 10 goalie.

If you go with darling as the starter and super cheap goalie. If darling stinks the development of backup stinks. The window is shut and you have Jake Allen situation.

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Yeah and if darling spits the bit you are likely without a actual number one goalie.

You can take that risk with crawford because he's a top end number one goalie and let the backup develop and if the backup is still bad it's no big deal because you have top 10 goalie.

If you go with darling as the starter and super cheap goalie. If darling stinks the development of backup stinks. The window is shut and you have Jake Allen situation.
That's the risk you take. The whole point of moving Crawford and going with Darling is to gain a significant amount of cap space. If you're going to end up spending the same amount on goal tending you just let Darling walk.

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Remember when Toews and Kane were going to sign for "Hometown Discounts"? The above-listed players will sign for their market value/comparable player deals, MAYBE $500K less. Don't get your hopes up. If my melon could be crushed or have my back destroyed on any given night I would make sure I could sign for as much as possible too.

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No chance the Hawks run with a 2 million backup lol that SOB is making 600k

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And again, even if Darling signs a deal with a $3M cap hit, then what's he point of trading Crawford?

$6M for Craw + ~$1M Backup is certainly better than $3M for Darling + ~$2M backup. Unless there are people who sincerely think Darling is a better goalie...

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Well my thinking hinges on Darling taking much less than that.

If he demands 4 mill, that kind of blows up this whole scenario.
Darling wont get anything close to 4.

My guess if the goal is to trade Crawford then 5 years, 3 per.

He could probably be signed for 1 year 1.5-1.75, but if he has another strong season and proves he is a starter he could be demanding 5 per.

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WHO IS PAYING 2 mil for a backup. Certainly not the Blackhawks. They'll get some European vet for like 700k aka Lars Johansson or Nalimov or something

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And again, even if Darling signs a deal with a $3M cap hit, then what's he point of trading Crawford?

$6M for Craw + ~$1M Backup is certainly better than $3M for Darling + ~$2M backup. Unless there are people who sincerely think Darling is a better goalie...
Count me as one of them... pretty much from his first month as a Blackhawk actually.

He's bigger, faster (cat like for a big man) has a better stick, has all the tools.

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Darling may not be better, but for the price I think he is.

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Darling may not be better, but for the price I think he is.
hmmm i like to point something out, i do not mean this to a taken as an attack against you.

but in your post, i see one major thing wrong. for the price as you stated, even g - lars johansson would be better .... per your idea of rating them.

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Darling wont get anything close to 4.

My guess if the goal is to trade Crawford then 5 years, 3 per.

He could probably be signed for 1 year 1.5-1.75, but if he has another strong season and proves he is a starter he could be demanding 5 per.
Talbot got 4.1 per from edmonton. Darling has just as much a track record as him at the same point.

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Darling @3.5 and a backup at 1M. Thats 2.5M in savings and if anyone thinks that peanuts then they dont know **** about hockey.

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Darling @3.5 and a backup at 1M. Thats 2.5M in savings and if anyone thinks that peanuts then they dont know **** about hockey.
This has nothing to do with knowing anything about hockey. It is just simple math knowledge. From a pure cap management role, one would be not be required to have little-to-no hockey knowledge instead the cap specialist needs a econ/finance background.

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