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01-29-2012, 06:58 AM
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Think of it like this, as a rule of thumb.

A bluechip forwards prospect will score 65+ pts.

30 forwards in this leagu scores 65pts or more in a season.

A players prime is 10 years.

30/10=3 bluechip prospect per year.

The top 3-4 forwards don't play in the WJC (RNH, Landeskog & co).

A WJC contains two yearly classes, so there basically ought to be 6-3=3 bluechip prospects in each WJC.

There are 12 forward on Canada, the US, Sweden and Russia. Finland had the 2nd best forward in the tourney.

If you look solely at the fact that he was like the 5th cut from Canada -- no matter how you slice it that's a disaster and he could be written off as a bust yesterday...

...but I think that's a stupid way to look at it. Thomas works extremely hard on the ice, he is a good PKer, he is hard to get a hold of -- and he shots the puck pretty well.

I think he is a good prospect and a good pick. But we should definitely talk about him as a Dawes/Prucha/Zucc type if prospect, instead ridiculous comparisons like MSL and co. Comparing him to MSL is like comparing Jonny Malkin to John Leclair.
I would say that at least Kreider and Erixon are blue chip prospects 100%.

Miller and McIlrath are close.

Kreider lead his WJC teams in goals twice. 3rd all-time in US WJC history. Leads his D-1 NCAA team in scoring. Two WJC medals and an NCAA title.

Erixon won three WJC medals and helped carry his SEL team to the finals last year. Now has 20 pts in 26 AHL games this year with some NHL experience.

I would say they are can't miss prospects. They'll be impact NHL players.

I believe Miller and McIlrath will be as well, but ill exclude them for now. A year maybe two behind Erixon and Kreider who will be NHL regulars next season.

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01-29-2012, 07:19 AM
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http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/01/28/...ertebrae-issue

Moore would help the Rangers. Very good on draws. Very good skater. An annoying gnat to play against. He drove the Penguins crazy last spring which raises his stature.

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Why does everyone keep bringing up Penner? That trade was a disaster for LA. Morrow is twice the player Penner ever was or is but still trading a #1 pick plus a young top 6 F or top 4 D is big price to pay for a player with a $4.1M cap hit left in the last year of the CBA.



http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...ers+%2f+Hockey)

The Rangers have $48M invested for next season.
I wouldn't mind Fugget-aboot-it for a second go around.

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01-29-2012, 07:21 AM
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nhl/...ats-zuccarello

im confused, Zuke called up? Rotoworld is usually reliable

edit- looks like the site is hacked or something , tons of pages of recalls and return to actions which make no sense


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01-29-2012, 07:31 AM
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nhl/...ats-zuccarello

im confused, Zuke called up? Rotoworld is usually reliable
Not on the AHL transaction page, although they have three transactions from yesterday (when he was allegedly recalled).

http://theahl.com/stats/transactions.php

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01-29-2012, 07:39 AM
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Rotoworld transactions look broken for yesterday. Has the Rangers recalling Avery, Newbury, Bell, Deveaux, and Erixon, and activating from IR Sauer, and Woywitka.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/trans...nhl/all/today/

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Rotoworld transactions look broken for yesterday. Has the Rangers recalling Avery, Newbury, Bell, Deveaux, and Erixon, and activating from IR Sauer, and Woywitka.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/trans...nhl/all/today/
yea ur right its Fd up so wrong

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01-29-2012, 08:52 AM
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Because scoring a ton in a teenager's league doesn't often/always translate to the highest level.

Especially when the player is 5-9, 170. If that. And completely one dimensional.
I already know this.

In fact, I would say it rarely translates to the highest level.

Before this year, Thomas scored more goals over two combined seasons than anybody in the OHL. He's a natural goal scorer with an extremely hard, accurate shot.

He's also tremendous around the net -- deflecting pucks, roofing backhanders from in close, etc.

I think the organization still ranks him in the top-3, maybe top-2 in terms of value and upside.

I wouldnt include him in any trade package until after a half season in the AHL.

I don't know. I guess the term "blue chip" is very subjective. My point is that there is no way we can detract from Thomas simply because others have become busts.

The kid has done nothing but progress since being drafted -- injury and suspension notwithstanding.

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I would say that at least Kreider and Erixon are blue chip prospects 100%.

Miller and McIlrath are close.

Kreider lead his WJC teams in goals twice. 3rd all-time in US WJC history. Leads his D-1 NCAA team in scoring. Two WJC medals and an NCAA title.

Erixon won three WJC medals and helped carry his SEL team to the finals last year. Now has 20 pts in 26 AHL games this year with some NHL experience.

I would say they are can't miss prospects. They'll be impact NHL players.

I believe Miller and McIlrath will be as well, but ill exclude them for now. A year maybe two behind Erixon and Kreider who will be NHL regulars next season.
I could agree with this statement. Although I don't know if you can really classify McIlrath as a blue chip. AFAIK he doesn't have top 2 potential or any scoring touch. He will be a top 4, stay at home, minute eating defenseman. Then again, Dan Girardi is an all star this year and he has a modest scoring touch and can eat minutes so what the **** do I know.

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01-29-2012, 09:17 AM
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I already know this.

In fact, I would say it rarely translates to the highest level.

Before this year, Thomas scored more goals over two combined seasons than anybody in the OHL. He's a natural goal scorer with an extremely hard, accurate shot.

He's also tremendous around the net -- deflecting pucks, roofing backhanders from in close, etc.

I think the organization still ranks him in the top-3, maybe top-2 in terms of value and upside.

I wouldnt include him in any trade package until after a half season in the AHL.

I don't know. I guess the term "blue chip" is very subjective. My point is that there is no way we can detract from Thomas simply because others have become busts.

The kid has done nothing but progress since being drafted -- injury and suspension notwithstanding.
The kid has undeniable skill and solid character by all accounts.

Hopefully he does pan out.

But, its more of an uncertainty than it is for Kreider and Erixon.

If Thomas were 6-0, 190 this wouldn't even be a discussion.

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01-29-2012, 09:20 AM
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The kid has undeniable skill and solid character by all accounts.

Hopefully he does pan out.

But, its more of an uncertainty than it is for Kreider and Erixon.

If Thomas were 6-0, 190 this wouldn't even be a discussion.
If Thomas were 6-0, 190 then you are right this wouldn't be a discussion because he would have been long gone by the time we got to pick and would have been taken early in the first round.

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3 rd and Bourque / or VTank for D Moore .pencil him in at 3C . he is 2x the skater and 2x as smart a player as BB And has decent playoff experience and scoring numbers .

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Moore could actually be a good fit.

Just wonder how he'd fit in the locker room.

Id prefer Boyd Gordon.

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I would take Moore or Moen

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man Kreider is going to give Hagelin and Gaborik a run in the fastest skater.........he's listed as a RW in this video

Hope he gets to CT at the end of the yr

For the deadline I see people are starting to warm up to depth 3rd liners as well as top 6 wingers

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3 rd and Bourque / or VTank for D Moore .pencil him in at 3C . he is 2x the skater and 2x as smart a player as BB And has decent playoff experience and scoring numbers .
and how does Moore help dont really need another pk player

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Kreider is a LW. He may be able to play on the RW but for the most part, he has been a LW his entire career.

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and how does Moore help dont really need another pk player
Face offs , depth , upgrade over Boyle. Good move to make especially if Dangling AA FOR a D man or a scoring LW this is a secondary addition not the main big move

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Without gutting the Core adding bottom six depth and going to battle with the top 6 as is and hoping for increased production from them seems like a realistic move . Adding a shot from the point on the bottom pairing On D and adding a face off specialist , Pahlson , Moore , Gordon type of seems realistic . I doubt the big splash Ryan , Perry, Naish thing is Happening .

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Face offs , depth , upgrade over Boyle. Good move to make especially if Dangling AA FOR a D man or a scoring LW this is a secondary addition not the main big move
instead of Dom Moore, how about Tory Mitchell or Jamie McGinn from San Jose, cheaper younger and isnt a ufa. someone the Rangers can use for the future as well

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Moore fills a void.

Moen add depth to the PK and has a ring.

Craig Adams is another one who helps, but I dont think he gets traded.


As for d-men, I think they are OK for now, even though the PP is whack. I have no idea why Stralman isnt on the No. 1 PP unit.

He had 22 PP points two years ago. The guy has a heavy, semi-accurate shot.

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01-29-2012, 12:59 PM
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instead of Dom Moore, how about Tory Mitchell or Jamie McGinn from San Jose, cheaper younger and isnt a ufa. someone the Rangers can use for the future as well
Why is San Jose, a team that's in it, going to trade one of those players? Anyway, acquiring players you can use for the future usually means giving up a piece of the present.

If we're talking 3rd line centers, if Minnesota is out of it, I'd take a look at Kyle Brodziak. Plays on the PP, plays on the PK, has decent size, works extremely hard, blocks shots, pending UFA who can be looked at for keeping if he performs. He's an interesting player.

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I think Dominic Moore makes too much sense.

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Why is San Jose, a team that's in it, going to trade one of those players? Anyway, acquiring players you can use for the future usually means giving up a piece of the present.

If we're talking 3rd line centers, if Minnesota is out of it, I'd take a look at Kyle Brodziak. Plays on the PP, plays on the PK, has decent size, works extremely hard, blocks shots, pending UFA who can be looked at for keeping if he performs. He's an interesting player.
id rather have Brodziak than Moore. adds some size. rangers need more of that and they need guys who are quick...

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I think Dominic Moore makes too much sense.
He isn't as good as he is being made out to be... He is a decent 3rd line center but so is Anisimov. If we stack up our centers properly it should be a LW we need, not a pivot.

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Ted Purcell is one kid from Tampa I have really liked since the beginning of last year. Like Hagelin only bigger. He is a UFA after next year so maybe they would consider a deal. Would shore up our 3rd line RW position and we could move Mitchell to center/LW

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