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02-02-2012, 03:49 PM
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Overrated and do not want.. he would get booed..a big player that isn't that physical or tough...much rather have Steve Downie or Paul Gaustad. Some with grit and skill for the playoffs. Not another marshmallow player..
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02-02-2012, 03:56 PM
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The main advantage is that he addresses at least three areas of weakness and potentially four...

1. He has a massive point shot. We need this on the powerplay.
2. He can win a lot of face offs. This is also a must.
3. We are also sorely lacking in shootouts. Lundqvist won it for us yesterday - we only scored once.

4. He also has consistently been a 20 goal scorer. If he can be played on the third line as a centre rather than winger he may be able to get some of that form back.

He isn't ideal, but he is the perfect cheap band-aid fix.
In the offseason we can search for a permanent solution to both problems...
Gaborik and Callahan = two.

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02-02-2012, 04:32 PM
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I was looking at Wheeler. He still has another year on his deal, but his cap hit is only 2.55, so could work. But he's also their leading scorer this year. I'm not sure if they would be willing to trade him, or how much they would want for him.
If he came cheap, I'd take Wheeler.

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Clowe isn't on the table. I read a quote from the Sharks beat writer confirming that he was considered part of their core and won't be moved.

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02-02-2012, 04:34 PM
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Gaborik and Callahan = two.
OK sure.

I never understand why some people pick out the most irrelevant little details in your post and don't address the big picture.

Whether we scored one or two yesterday, our shootout scoring is lacking now that all of Wolski, Zuccarello and Christensen are out of the line up - we have scored two over the the last two games (on more than 6 shooter)...

That's not the biggest reason for Stoll though - its face offs and his point shot.

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02-02-2012, 04:53 PM
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I want one of two scenarios:

1)




Next years lineup

Parise Richards Gaborik
Hagelin Stepan Kreider
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
Rupp Boyle Prust

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Del Zotto
Erixon Stralman

Lundqvist
Biron

Sauer retires due to PCS.

I have a crystal ball.


2)

Whitney/Doan/Hemsky (via UFA) Richards Kreider
Hagelin Stepan Gaborik
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
Rupp Boyle Prust
Mitchell

Staal Suter
McDonagh Girardi
Del Zotto Erixon
Stralman

McIlrath in CT

Lundqvist
Biron



Unless we can get Bobby Ryan at a supreme discount, which is highly unlikely, not because he's having a slightly down year, but because other teams will offer a lot more than we want to, then we should stick with what we've got, make a minor tweak here or there and wait for free agency or another trade to come along. Imagine how much different this years team could've been if we had traded Dubinsky or Del Zotto or McDonagh or even Anisimov for Richards at the last deadline? Huge. Great move by Sather.

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02-02-2012, 04:57 PM
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Wolski for Stoll wouldn't be a bad move. Stoll hasn't had one of his strongest years, but he's good on the draw, and who knows, maybe a change of scenery would do him good.

Its been awhile since the Rangers were in this position, so I'm kinda curious as to what moves they're going to make.
Id do that but doubt Kings would. A player like Stoll would be more valuable in the playoffs than Wolski. Zuccarello or a mid prospect would have to be added...

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02-02-2012, 04:59 PM
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I want one of two scenarios:

1)




Next years lineup

Parise Richards Gaborik
Hagelin Stepan Kreider
Dubinsky Anisimov Callahan
Rupp Boyle Prust

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Del Zotto
Erixon Stralman

Lundqvist
Biron

Sauer retires due to PCS.
Kreider and Hagelin playing more minutes and a bigger role than Callahan and Dubinsky?

Sauer retiring to PCS?

Signing Parise when we're going to have a wave of ELC's and a declining cap?

How much nonsense are you going to continue posting? These asinine, fairy tale, delusional and quite stupid roster scenario's you continously over-spam make it very difficult for anyone to ever take anything you say seriously.

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02-02-2012, 05:00 PM
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If Nashville gets deal for scoring help, will likely roll the dice, IMO.

Otherwise, looks like they'd trade Suter, cause they got a year in any event with Weber, though he's thought maybe headed to Vancouver or thereabouts.

IF Weber was moved, Preds could hope to re-sign Suter.

So, what would the real price be for us to get Weber, and would we pay it.

Figure its his regular price, first subtract discount cause of 1 year rental + presumed walkaway, then add a premium of moderate overpayment to get such a star.

Kreider is off the table.
What package do you guys want?..........

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02-02-2012, 05:07 PM
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If Nashville gets deal for scoring help, will likely roll the dice, IMO.

Otherwise, looks like they'd trade Suter, cause they got a year in any event with Weber, though he's thought maybe headed to Vancouver or thereabouts.

IF Weber was moved, Preds could hope to re-sign Suter.

So, what would the real price be for us to get Weber, and would we pay it.

Figure its his regular price, first subtract discount cause of 1 year rental + presumed walkaway, then add a premium of moderate overpayment to get such a star.

Kreider is off the table.
What package do you guys want?..........
Nobody is off the table for a guy like Weber, aside for Lundqvist.
Kreider isn't as valuable as 50% of our starting roster.
You have hyped the kid up to the point where you're bound for a serious let-down.

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02-02-2012, 05:10 PM
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If Nashville gets deal for scoring help, will likely roll the dice, IMO.

Otherwise, looks like they'd trade Suter, cause they got a year in any event with Weber, though he's thought maybe headed to Vancouver or thereabouts.

IF Weber was moved, Preds could hope to re-sign Suter.

So, what would the real price be for us to get Weber, and would we pay it.

Figure its his regular price, first subtract discount cause of 1 year rental + presumed walkaway, then add a premium of moderate overpayment to get such a star.

Kreider is off the table.
What package do you guys want?..........
Nashville and the Rangers don't exactly make good trading partners. Both are teams with great defense and goaltending. Both are in need of scoring. We're not giving away what little scoring we actually have for more defense.

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02-02-2012, 05:17 PM
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Just went over to the Ducks board. Asked them about the big three, and which one of them really runs that line. Their response:
In order:

Getzlaf
Perry
Ryan

With clear separation between Perry and Ryan. Getzlaf is the engine that makes that line go, but Perry isn't too far behind him. His skill and drive are really something(and the guy just doesn't quit). Ryan is the most expendable piece, and the most inconsistent of the three.

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Agreed. Getzlaf at his best is on a level than very few in the NHL are capable of matching. It's a shame we only really see it when the team is in desperation mode. Perry isn't as talented but makes up for it with hard work and a willingness to go to the dirty areas. Not to mention he doesn't make nearly as many stupid decisions with the puck as Getzlaf.

Ryan is the flashiest of the three and will show up on the most highlight reels but he's inconsistent and completely ineffective except for when he's scoring.
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So there you go guys. It's apparent that Ryan might not be a 30-goal scorer here, and Perry isn't a 30-goal scorer without Getzlaf either. So, you can pretty much forget about trading for any of the three, because I'm pretty sure that Getzlaf will be off the market.

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02-02-2012, 05:19 PM
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I want a big gritty top 6 forward. Ruutu, Doan, or maybe Vinny Prospal

OR Dubi can pull his head out of his ass and start scoring.

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28. Carolina Hurricanes: GM Jim Rutherford usually doesn’t do in-season deals. But he was wise to sign defenseman Tim Gleason to a four-year, $16 million extension. Had he traded him as a pending unrestricted free agent, where was he going to find a replacement for that price in the off-season? Now he needs to move on UFA Tuomo Ruutu. Deal him before other teams fall out of the race, other rentals hit the market and the price falls.

29. Edmonton Oilers: Is Ales Hemsky really that attractive as a rental? He has four goals. He is minus-9. He’s a perimeter player who is often injured, not exactly the kind of gritty, go-to-the-net guy who thrives in the playoffs.

30. Columbus Blue Jackets: Would you want Jeff Carter – whom the Flyers shipped out, who didn’t embrace the Jackets, who is signed through 2021-22 at a cap hit of $5.3 million, who has a no-trade clause that kicks in next season? He had a foot injury, and then a shoulder injury. He has 10 goals in 30 games. He is minus-9
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Prospal at this point is only a gritty top 6 forward in a Czech house league . 4 points last 40 games and skates like a guy who has 20 pounds of crap in his buckets .... Please stop with Prospal . He's done here .

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4 goals in last 40 . I would t give up a 5th rounder for that stiff . Imagine his slow creaky knee with a not exactly fast Brad on a team whose only offense is generated off a hard forecheck . If PROSPAL was the answer 1. We woulda signed him and 2 . He would be here already .

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Prospal at this point is only a gritty top 6 forward in a Czech house league . 4 points last 40 games and skates like a guy who has 20 pounds of crap in his buckets .... Please stop with Prospal . He's done here .
What? He has 31 points this season in 51 games. So you're telling me that he had 27 points after his first 11 games? Your math is WAY off.

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At least stoll is a new name , it's likely a deal we don't c comin

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Kreider and Hagelin playing more minutes and a bigger role than Callahan and Dubinsky?

Sauer retiring to PCS?

Signing Parise when we're going to have a wave of ELC's and a declining cap?

How much nonsense are you going to continue posting? These asinine, fairy tale, delusional and quite stupid roster scenario's you continously over-spam make it very difficult for anyone to ever take anything you say seriously.
Do you watch the games? Hagelin has been playing with Stepan and Gaborik. Does that mean he's a bonafide league-wide first liner? No. It means the chemistry works. Torts loves a balanced lineup. Balanced in skill and toughness on every line, at least the first three. The pack line has shown great chemistry in the past. Richards should be playing with our best player (Gaborik). Lines 2 and 3 can be labelled 2a and 2b if it makes you feel better, pal.

With Wolskis contract coming off the books and Drury's penalty hit dropping, Avery's contract off the summer cap, and potentially not re-signing Fedotenko and Eminger, theres certainly enough room to add Parise if he wants to be here and doesn't simply take the highest offer from the Flames or Islanders. The only RFAs that need raises this offseason are Del Zotto and Stralman if we choose to bring him back (which based in his play so far, I'm in favor of). After next season, we have Anisimov, Stepan, and Hagelin to qualify and Sather always gets a good deal on the second (first RFA) contract. I see nothing to worry about there. It's one thing to be thoughtless and throw money anywhere without thinking about the consequences, but it's worse to let potential question marks three years down the road prevent you from making decisions to make your team better. Nothing is risk-free.

The Sauer comment was somewhat tongue in cheek (I even went as far as to say "I have a crystal ball," but at least one defenseman is going to be the odd man out in a year or two. We've got too many defenseman who are already top 4 or have the potential to be top 4. It's a great problem to have, but this is when trades from a position of strength happen. No, we're not trading Staal, Girardi, or McDonagh, but DZ, Sauer, Erixon, Stralman, McIlrath, Bickel could all be in play if the RIGHT forward comes along. (for the record, Jeff Carter is not this player. Bobby Ryan might be, but he's not so much of a sure thing that he's worth giving up a ton of assets. Sather knows where to draw the line).

Get it now? I hope that helped clear things up for you, my friend.


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Stoll is more of a 3rd/4th liner at this point. The guy has 14 points in 51 games.

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One of the best moves the Rangers could do right now is re-sign Prust. 1.3 per for two years. 1.5 for 3 or 4.

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One of the best moves the Rangers could do right now is re-sign Prust. 1.3 per for two years. 1.5 for 3 or 4.
I am convinced he he playing with a banged-up shoulder.

He was great last year and looked like he could fit on the third line.

This year, he seems to have regressed, but he's such a ballsy player he'll play through any pain.

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One of the best moves the Rangers could do right now is re-sign Prust. 1.3 per for two years. 1.5 for 3 or 4.
yea I expect Prust to come back, Biron too. Would be surprised if they left

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What? He has 31 points this season in 51 games. So you're telling me that he had 27 points after his first 11 games? Your math is WAY off.
He started out hot has cooled dramitically .

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He started out hot has cooled dramitically .
There's no way he had 27 points in 11 games. That would mean that the Jackets scored 27 goals in their first 11 games to begin with.

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