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01-27-2012, 03:01 PM
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It is reaching the point of absolute absurdity. Even if Kreider succeeds in the NHL he will fail based on the massive expectations that have been inexplicably heaped upon his head.

By the way, you give up just about anyone short of Stepan and Lundqvist to acquire Perry.
id give up stepan for perry.

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01-27-2012, 03:05 PM
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id give up stepan for perry.
that would hurt so much, but I agree with you.

I'd move Stepan for Perry

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01-27-2012, 03:09 PM
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Who would you rather have warts an all....

Carter

Perry

Parise
Parise. If we get him it would be as a UFA (Lou would never trade him here) so all he would cost is money.

They other 2 would cost assets plus money. Carter's contract is too long, Perry can leave as a UFA after one year.

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01-27-2012, 03:10 PM
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Seriously, Perry won the Hart Trophy and Rockey Richard last year! He'd instantly step into our lineup and become our best player, I'd move anyone but Lundqvist straight up for him.

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01-27-2012, 03:19 PM
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Seriously, Perry won the Hart Trophy and Rockey Richard last year! He'd instantly step into our lineup and become our best player, I'd move anyone but Lundqvist straight up for him.
yeah, id have to say the only player id pull off the table would be Lundqvist....

id say McDonagh is close to that level as well. kid has unbelievable potential. i think we're only scratching the surface with him. 2nd year and hes on our top pair. guarantee within 2 years he'll be an all-star.

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01-27-2012, 03:38 PM
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Who would you rather have warts an all....

Carter

Perry

Parise
Parise wins it for me!

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id give up stepan for perry.
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Seriously, Perry won the Hart Trophy and Rockey Richard last year!
And prior to last year where was he? Actually it's really been since the second half of last season, so prior to that, he was good, but not stellar AND he's been doing it with the help of a tremendously talented players around him. A huge playmaking center and extremely talented winger making one of the most talented lines in hockey. To add to it, he's played with a supremely gifted offensively defenseman.

To the contrary Parise has been a prolific scorer the very first ok second year he was in the league, playing on a team where no one was comparable to his talents until recently and where they've always played a offensively stifling system.

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01-27-2012, 03:53 PM
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And prior to last year where was he?
He had 72 points in 08-09 and 76 points in 09-10.

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01-27-2012, 04:34 PM
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Adding someone who immediately becomes our best player does not necessarily make us a better team.

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Adding someone who immediately becomes our best player does not necessarily make us a better team.

ex) Carmelo Anthony for the knicks

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01-27-2012, 04:46 PM
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id give up stepan for perry.
Stepan is the kind of player that leads a team to where we want it to go.

Stepan has won and lead his teams to a championship at every level he's played since being drafted.

World Junior gold medal. NCAA Championship game with Wisconsin. And now he's a big reason why this Rangers team is where it is. And he's only 21.

Stepan is untouchable.

The Rangers aren't trading him. And they're not trading for Perry.

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01-27-2012, 04:47 PM
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Adding someone who immediately becomes our best player does not necessarily make us a better team.
Sort of agree.

We are in 1st place and gutting the roster for what it would take to land someone like Perry might hurt us more than help us.

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01-27-2012, 04:51 PM
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He had 72 points in 08-09 and 76 points in 09-10.
But only 32 goals and 29 goals goals respectively in those two seasons. My point is if we give up a ton for Perry are we getting a guy that will put up close to 50 again, or a guy that scores around 30 every year. And I'm not saying that adding a 30-35 goal scorer is bad, I just don't want to give up too much for that calibre player.

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01-27-2012, 05:05 PM
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Stepan is the kind of player that leads a team to where we want it to go.

Stepan has won and lead his teams to a championship at every level he's played since being drafted.

World Junior gold medal. NCAA Championship game with Wisconsin. And now he's a big reason why this Rangers team is where it is. And he's only 21.

Stepan is untouchable.

The Rangers aren't trading him. And they're not trading for Perry.

If Anaheim called Slats and offered Perry for Stepan Slats would drive him to California himself.

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01-27-2012, 05:12 PM
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My only concern about trading for Perry would be how it affects the chemistry of the team and how much we would have to give up for him.

I doubt we would trade for him anyway, and I question if he is even legitimately available, but Perry is absolutely a player that can be traded for anyone not named Lundqvist. I like Stepan a lot but I doubt he can accomplish what Perry already has. Perry is the more talented player and he knows what it takes to win a cup in this league. I'd prefer not to trade Stepan, but if it's for the likes of Perry, you take it and run.

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01-27-2012, 05:16 PM
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So we trade Stepan for Perry who then fill one of the top two center spots?

As good as Perry is, trading Stepan for him is not worth it. Just go after Parise in the offseason or try and buy low on Jeff Carter.

Perry won't ever repeat his 50 goal performance IMO.

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If Anaheim called Slats and offered Perry for Stepan Slats would drive him to California himself.
I wouldn't count on it.

Sather held off dealing lesser players for better players than Perry.

Dubinsky for Heatley for example. Heatley scored 50 goals twice. 40 twice. 39 twice.

Stepan is a future captain. He's not getting traded.

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01-27-2012, 05:18 PM
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So we trade Stepan for Perry who then fill one of the top two center spots?

As good as Perry is, trading Stepan for him is not worth it. Just go after Parise in the offseason or try and buy low on Jeff Carter.

Perry won't ever repeat his 50 goal performance IMO.
Who needs more then one line?!!!! Just ask the Ducks!

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01-27-2012, 05:23 PM
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So we trade Stepan for Perry who then fill one of the top two center spots?

As good as Perry is, trading Stepan for him is not worth it. Just go after Parise in the offseason or try and buy low on Jeff Carter.

Perry won't ever repeat his 50 goal performance IMO.
Brandon Dubinsky.

Perry will probably score 40 again this year.

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01-27-2012, 05:31 PM
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Adding someone who immediately becomes our best player does not necessarily make us a better team.
Also...there's that New York pressure you hope doesn't get to him. Would stink to move quality for him only to find out that he can't perform on this stage. Always risks involved I guess.

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Stepan is a future captain.
Where's Ryan Callahan going?

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01-27-2012, 05:35 PM
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So we trade Stepan for Perry who then fill one of the top two center spots?
Dubinsky? Anisimov?

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I don't think Perry gets dealt. Same for Getzlaf. Maybe on Ryan, just because I've read so much about Bryan Burke's supposed interest in him. At this point in his career he seems more affordable to me, meaning the big deals that bring in players like Perry or Getzlaf are more likely to come together at the draft or some other time during the offseason rather than the trade deadline. Even if a deal along those lines presented itself, I don't know how Anaheim moves a center with Getzlaf's combination of skill and size or a sniper/agitator like Perry, and still gets fair value in return unless they're getting a stud defenseman to help fill the gaping holes left by Pronger and Niedermayer or forwards who can help their second line scoring immediately. Murray's talk of shaking things up in Anaheim quite possibly could have been more of a tactic to spur his team to some wins rather than an actual plan to trade players. Anaheim has been better lately, 8-1-1 in their last 10.

Chemistry is a serious concern as well. Look at Carter in Columbus. They gave up Voracek and a pick that ended up being Couturier for a player who has not lived up to expectations (along with just about everyone else on that team) and looks like he'd rather be playing someplace else.

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01-27-2012, 05:47 PM
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Where's Ryan Callahan going?
Stepan is 21.

Callahan is 26.

Stepan is half a decade younger.

Eventually Callahan wont be a Ranger.

Even if Callahan's NHL career lasts longer than expected, it doesn't change anything. Stepan is a winner. He's NOT being dealt. Not for Perry. This isn't a video game.

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Corey Perry has been a winner wherever he played . He was an awesome junior star and he is a rising star in this league or even better... a shining star . He will always be better then Stepan IMO . He plays a much more in your face style and he loves the play in the corners or in the crease...he would fit the Tort mold TOTALLY but in all honesty we will never get him straight up for Stepan .

I don't know what the love is for Stepan...I watch the games on tv and I just don't see what some guys see here ...I am going to assume that those of you that get to watch him play at the Garden every night get to see him play from the start of his shift until the end which is something we just do not get via tv viewing and that gives you the real look at his skills . I guess I will have to start paying more attention since some of you would not trade him even up for Perry . I think it would be a no brainer to do that trade .

I also think Dale Hunter would be in the hunt for Perry since he had him in London ...and I think Prust and Girardi were also on that club ! I could see Semin and something else being offered for Perry by the Cap team .

It is great fun being an armchair GM !

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