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02-05-2012, 11:39 AM
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Taylor Hall Shootout Decision Rant

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Taylor, you are unable to raise the puck up high in tight. Your backhand went in once and has missed about 600 times. Please just shoot the puck or something?

Ps. I still love you and your stubbly man beard.

MODEDIT: Added some maturity to the title. Otherwise this would have been in the thread graveyard.

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02-05-2012, 12:00 PM
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On a bit off topic note What about belanger on the shootout but not horcoff? Some of renneys decisions are....*facepalm* worthy. And i guess hall just needs to work on his shootout skill

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On a bit off topic note What about belanger on the shootout but not horcoff? Some of renneys decisions are....*facepalm* worthy. And i guess hall just needs to work on his shootout skill
This is my hierarchy, if I'm Renney
  1. Eberle
  2. RNH
  3. Gagner
  4. Horcoff
  5. Hall
  6. Hemsky
  7. Jones (remember SH breakaway against MTL?)
  8. Smyth

Move up or down 1 or 2 spots if having an amazing game (see Gagner yesterday)

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I just don't understand why Hall does that same bush league move every time.... ugh.

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02-05-2012, 12:13 PM
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This is my hierarchy, if I'm Renney
  1. Eberle
  2. RNH
  3. Gagner
  4. Horcoff
  5. Hall
  6. Hemsky
  7. Jones (remember SH breakaway against MTL?)
  8. Smyth

Move up or down 1 or 2 spots if having an amazing game (see Gagner yesterday)
That's a pretty far cry from what I'd do

Eberle
Gagner
Hemsky
Horcoff
RNH
Hall
Jones
Sutton
Petry



edit: maybe not as far as I initially thought

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02-05-2012, 12:19 PM
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That's a pretty far cry from what I'd do

Eberle
Gagner
Hemsky
Horcoff
RNH
Hall
Jones
Sutton
Petry



edit: maybe not as far as I initially thought
Meh, Im not impressed with Hemsky's shootout efforts, but yeah gagner could move up. RNH, I think, is just getting used to the shootout, so he will be able to immensely improve as he does it more. Pretty similar lists though...

Lol Sutton I'd love to see that.

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02-05-2012, 12:54 PM
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This is my hierarchy, if I'm Renney
  1. Eberle
  2. RNH
  3. Gagner
  4. Horcoff
  5. Hall
  6. Hemsky
  7. Jones (remember SH breakaway against MTL?)
  8. Smyth

Move up or down 1 or 2 spots if having an amazing game (see Gagner yesterday)

I might bump Hemsky up over Horc/Hall, but I like this list.

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02-05-2012, 01:20 PM
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i really wish he would just take a wrister. he has such a deadly one and has extremely average hands

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02-05-2012, 01:35 PM
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Not everybody has great shootout skills. Take the twins for example, they're not even in the top 5 of AV's list.

Gagner really needs to start doing a new move though. Sure he scored last night, but damn, the same thing over and over.

No love for Lander? That dude has sweet moves on the shootout.

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02-05-2012, 02:02 PM
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Hall makes great plays and dumb plays at the same time. Still he pushes the d back and is one of the few offensive sparks on the team.

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I'd actually use dmen in the shootout more often. Guys like Whitney and Potter and Petry would be great change ups and goalies don't know what to expect from them because they don't see them coming in as often.

In a shootout you aren't necessarily looking for your biggest guns to get the goals for you (although it helps if they can)... you are looking to make the goalie have no idea what the shooters are going to do and throw him off.

I'd still have players like Eberle and RNH in there for their obvious talent but I'd throw in at least one of Whitney, Potter, Petry, Sutton, Barker or a forward like Jones who has decent hands... even a Smid once in a while to try and channel some Marek Malik action.

The thing is to keep it fresh and not have Hall with his same move 48 times in a row... or Gagner (who's usually crap on shootouts even though he scored) but of course you put him out there this game when he's ripping up the league the last few games.

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Not everybody has great shootout skills. Take the twins for example, they're not even in the top 5 of AV's list.

Gagner really needs to start doing a new move though. Sure he scored last night, but damn, the same thing over and over.

No love for Lander? That dude has sweet moves on the shootout.
He just started going back to his old move and has scored each of the last three times with it.

He didn't do his "move" at all last year and didn't score (0-for-5).

Oilers shootout this year:

1. Gagner (3-for-4 75%)
2. Hemsky (2-for-4 50%)
3. Eberle (3-for-7 42.9%)
4. Horcoff (1-for-3 33%)
4. RNH (1-for-3 33%)
6. Hall (1-for-4 25%)

Everyone else hasn't scored. Lander (who I think is good at it and should be given more of a chance), Belanger, Smyth and Omark.

Lander and Belanger have missed twice. Smyth and Omark have missed once.

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02-05-2012, 08:00 PM
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Gagner's only bad at shootouts when he doesn't do that move. Luongo was the first goalie to totally read it a couple weeks ago. He got away from it for two years, and stopped scoring.

Hall definitely needs to shoot or come up with a new move.

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I just don't understand why Hall does that same bush league move every time.... ugh.
well it's really not a bush league move, it's a simple move that can be really effective IF you can get the puck up quick.

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well it's really not a bush league move, it's a simple move that can be really effective IF you can get the puck up quick.
Unfortunately, that's the only move in his toolbox and he doesn't have the hands to get it high enough fast enough. I'd put Lander in the shootout over him at this point.

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i really wish he would just take a wrister. he has such a deadly one and has extremely average hands
This.

He has such an underrated shot but his dekes, especially in the shootout, are BAD.

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well it's really not a bush league move, it's a simple move that can be really effective IF you can get the puck up quick.
The problem is that most of the time he's backhanding it to a goalies glove side. Works for Eberle and Hemsky because they end up going stick side.. aside from just having better hands, I guess.

Hall's a lefty, so he'd be better off doing what Nuge did. Jokinen scores with it every time, too.

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For some odd reason, i really want sutton slotted in there instead of hall.

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Gagner's only bad at shootouts when he doesn't do that move. Luongo was the first goalie to totally read it a couple weeks ago. He got away from it for two years, and stopped scoring.

Hall definitely needs to shoot or come up with a new move.
Gagner can't do it very well against big goalies because they cover the entire bottom of the net. Gagner also went to the well too many times with the same move and opposing goalies knew the scouting report on him.

As for Hall, a quick wrister would be nice, hell a bomb like the one that Bertuzzi unleashed would be nice as well, that was a howitzer!

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That's a pretty far cry from what I'd do

Eberle
Gagner
Hemsky
Horcoff
RNH
Hall
Jones
Sutton
Petry



edit: maybe not as far as I initially thought
Past Jones, it's a full throw in the air, but this is exactly it.
Ebs always first
Gags is bringing his hands back
Hemsky is usually pretty great to keep us in it/put it away
Horcoff's number speak for themselves
RNH is 1/3 in his rookie season, but we all know he can put it in the back of the net
Hall has never been great on the breakaways to be honest, but should slot here
Jones rules on breakaways, potting half as many garbage goals as breakaway ones

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I can't remember if Lander has had a shootout attempt... but I'd think he might be a good candidate for an attempt. Does anyone know if he has?

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Gagner can't do it very well against big goalies because they cover the entire bottom of the net. Gagner also went to the well too many times with the same move and opposing goalies knew the scouting report on him.

As for Hall, a quick wrister would be nice, hell a bomb like the one that Bertuzzi unleashed would be nice as well, that was a howitzer!
I'm still pretty sure Gagner's only been stopped twice doing that move. Last week against Luongo, and actually maybe Luongo again a couple years ago when he stuck his stick out and made a goal line save.

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I think guys who are fast but maybe don't have the craziest hands, like Hall; Jones; & Belanger; should opt to skate in fast, get the goalie back pedalling, then pick a hole and shoot. No need to do anything fancy.
Goalie comes out far to cut down angle? He has to pedal back uncomfortably fast and is susceptible to a move.
Goalie doesn't come out much? You have lots of net to shoot at by the time you hit mid slot.

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Not sure if I've ever seen Hall actually shoot in a shootout, but I agree. He has a great shot and should be using it.

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He needs to just take a shot. He's got a pretty good shot. Just shoot! If you can't get your backhand up in the corner then don't bother trying it when the game is on the line.

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