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10-08-2016, 04:27 PM
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2017 vs 2018 NHL Draft

Now I know the 2016 Draft is said to be a notch above the 2017 Draft, but what about 2017 compared to 2018? If you were a GM which draft would you rather invest in?

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2018 at the top could be pretty elite. But its way too early to make a firm judgement, too many of the top kids are early birthdays. But the USNDP, and CHL class looks fairly strong. Veleno, Wise, Merkley, Wilde, Wahlstrom, DeBoar, Groulx, MacIssac, etc have the looks of a very promising class. Plus there is Svechnikov, Wernblom, and Dahlen. But, we are talking about mostly kids who are only 6 to 8 games into their USNDP or CHL career. The late-born 98's in the OHL didn't really impress me last year but McLeod and Levin have a lot of time to improve their standing.

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10-08-2016, 05:42 PM
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2018 looks much better but you never know what will happen, maybe it doesn't look so good a year from now. Anyway, 2017 has a distinct lack of elite talent. Don't see many stars coming out of this draft.

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10-08-2016, 05:46 PM
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I think 2018 has more elite talent but there will be some 2017 players that will come out of nowhere and become elite.

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10-08-2016, 05:54 PM
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2017 looks much better it's ridiculous. Even better than 2015 and 2016 possibly.

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10-08-2016, 06:13 PM
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2017 looks much better it's ridiculous. Even better than 2015 and 2016 possibly.
I hope you are joking.

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I hope you are joking.
2018 is the weakest draft ever.

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10-08-2016, 06:17 PM
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2018 is the weakest draft ever.
For Finland you meant to say.

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For Finland you meant to say.
How is the 2018 draft looking in terms of czech players though ?

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2018 is the weakest draft ever.
Clearly you dont understand what he was saying.

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How is the 2018 draft looking in terms of czech players though ?
What does that have to do with his comment?

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How is the 2018 draft looking in terms of czech players though ?
Pretty sure Filip Zadina is currently held in higher regard than any of the Fins for the 2018 draft. But we are a long way away, and its easier for late-bdays to emerge this long before a draft.

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2017 has a distinct lack of elite talent. Don't see many stars coming out of this draft.
They said that about the 2014 draft aswell. Now we got Ekblad, Draisaitl, Larkin, Reinhart, Nylander, Ehlers, Bennett and Fabbri all already decent NHLers.

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2017 lacks a McDavid/Eichel/Matthews level talent at forward. But has Patrick who is a tier below. Outside of him the next few tiers far outweigh that of the 2016. Then we have Liljegren and Foote who look to be high end defencemen. And the rest being a tier below are still very good. The draft is exceptionally deep in centers, defencemen and goaltenders after that.

2018 has a lot of guys that have possible Patrick level or slightly below him potential talent at forwards; Veleno, Whalstrom, Groulx, Wise, Svechnikov, Wernblom, Levin, Petterson, MacDonald, Khovanov, Jenkins and McLeod.
Then on defence you have guys like McIsaac, Dahlin, Smith, Merkley, Woo, Addison, Bokvist, Hughes and Alexeyev.

2018 might not have a McDavid level talent but it might be even deeper in terms of overall talent that 2015. Heck it might be one of the deepest drafts in the first round we've had since 2003. The fact that there are some really talented kids already playing really well in Junior leagues all over the world as well as the fact that no one can seem to agree on who the best is. We might even have one of the best 1st overall races we've ever had.

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2018 -- better group of Americans (1999 is not a good year for the US), better top-end group of CHL'ers, and Svechnikov (RUS), Wernblom (SWE) and Zadina (Czech Republic) are special talents. Drop-off is only with Finland.

World U17 Hockey Challenge coming up in a few weeks.

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How is the 2018 draft looking in terms of czech players though ?
Pretty good actually. Some very nice high-end talent.

Too bad you missed the point of my post.

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2018 -- better group of Americans (1999 is not a good year for the US), better top-end group of CHL'ers, and Svechnikov (RUS), Wernblom (SWE) and Zadina (Czech Republic) are special talents. Drop-off is only with Finland.

World U17 Hockey Challenge coming up in a few weeks.
Cant wait for the U17 Challenge. Will you make some preview/review of the tournament?

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I don't think 2018 is as good as people think it is. A lot of the players looked very strong when they were younger (Veleno, Wise, Wilde, Merkley). I don't think it's as strong as people expect it to be, I don't see a Patrick-like player yet. I have yet to see that ability from Veleno or anybody else. A lot of these players (Svechnikov, Wise, Veleno, Merkley, Wilde) have done excellent against peers their own age, but now they are going up against kids 19/20 year olds, at least in the CHL. Some will funnel out into 2nd/3rd calibre talent, some others that aren't talked about will fly above.

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2018 is a relatively weak year for Canada which I think makes it look weaker than it actually is. There are high-end Americans, Swedes, and Russians who could dominate the first round. Too early to say right now but I'd take 2018.

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2018 is a relatively weak year for Canada which I think makes it look weaker than it actually is. There are high-end Americans, Swedes, and Russians who could dominate the first round. Too early to say right now but I'd take 2018.
I'd say there are a lot of what look to be high-quality Canadians in 2018. To be honest, 2016 is probably one of the worst years Canada has had memory, and many think it is a good to above average draft.

As for Veleno vs Patrick, Veleno has a very dynamic skill set but obviously Patrick was more proven at similar distance between their drafts, but also is a late Birthday.

The USNDP crop looks ridiculous, there is no-home run kid in the OHL at the moment though. Not sure of the WHL crop but haven't heard much about it. The Quebec crop may be the best since 2013 though.

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I don't think 2018 is as good as people think it is. A lot of the players looked very strong when they were younger (Veleno, Wise, Wilde, Merkley). I don't think it's as strong as people expect it to be, I don't see a Patrick-like player yet. I have yet to see that ability from Veleno or anybody else. A lot of these players (Svechnikov, Wise, Veleno, Merkley, Wilde) have done excellent against peers their own age, but now they are going up against kids 19/20 year olds, at least in the CHL. Some will funnel out into 2nd/3rd calibre talent, some others that aren't talked about will fly above.
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2018 is a relatively weak year for Canada which I think makes it look weaker than it actually is. There are high-end Americans, Swedes, and Russians who could dominate the first round. Too early to say right now but I'd take 2018.
That's not even remotely true we have guys like Veleno, Macdonald, Groulx at, over or close to a PPG in the QMJHL and guys like McIsaac playing very well as first year dmen.
Guys like Levin, Merkley, McLeod, Dunkley and Bouchard at or almost a PPG in OHL with Dmen like Busby playing very well.
Guys like Smith, Woo, Addison, Burzan and Alexeyev playing well in the WHL.
Guys like Wernblom, Lundestrom, Dahlin, Bokvist and Jakobssen playing well in the Swedish System.
Some very good American prospects in Wahlstrom, Wise, Jenkins, Pivonka, Guden, Miller and Tkachuk.
Then you got the rest the Russians like Svechnikov, Khovanov and Nizhnikov.
Czech guys like Zadina and Zabransky.
And that is just the main guys. This draft is deep. A lot of these kids are doing just as good as Patrick has done. I like Patrick but many of these kids are comparable.

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I'd say there are a lot of what look to be high-quality Canadians in 2018. To be honest, 2016 is probably one of the worst years Canada has had memory, and many think it is a good to above average draft.

As for Veleno vs Patrick, Veleno has a very dynamic skill set but obviously Patrick was more proven at similar distance between their drafts, but also is a late Birthday.

The USNDP crop looks ridiculous, there is no-home run kid in the OHL at the moment though. Not sure of the WHL crop but haven't heard much about it. The Quebec crop may be the best since 2013 though.
QMJHL crop is really really good. Veleno, Groulx, MacDonald and McIsaac all look really good so far.
In the OHL I like Levin, Merkley and McLeod. both of the brothers might actually be better than their older siblings IMO. And the US crop is crazy good. And that Goalei out of the Q, Olivier Rodrigue, looks really ****ing good. Like really good.

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statswise i think 2017 looks better.

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statswise i think 2017 looks better.
Statswise almost every draft looks better than the next one. Never judge based on stats. The 2018 class' season has literally just started.

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Statswise almost every draft looks better than the next one. Never judge based on stats. The 2018 class' season has literally just started.
I mean comparing how 2017 looked last year compare to how 2018 have looked so far this season.

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I mean comparing how 2017 looked last year compare to how 2018 have looked so far this season.
Even that is tough to do until the season ends. Guys could go on big streaks like Patrick did towards the end. Lots of variables to play out yet.

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