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02-15-2012, 07:51 AM
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I added one D-man to your list of who you would like to see traded (Clark). That's for a total of three. Would you really like to see any of the three re-signed?

Moore probably brings the best return outside of Purcell and Malone. I'm not as sure of what he brings to the team as the majority of people seem to be. I must really be missing something with him.

Hall is nice to have, but unnecessary. Did anybody really miss him when he was injured? Ditto Shannon. He's improved since he's been back, but playing with Marty and Vinny will do that for just about anybody.

Purcell is iffy. I thought long and hard about him. He seems to have really good chemistry with Stamkos and Downie and the three of them together could be lethal. I do worry about his effort level sometimes, but I think playing on a regular basis with the other two could really be a motivating fact for him. We know he has the skills, and I doubt that you'll get a decent return.

Tyrell back would be nice to have back. Not sold on Ohlund coming back or his effectiveness if he does. Although he is signed for just short of forever so something has got to happen there.
Bergeron got a two-year deal a while back, but I don't like him.

I like the Solar Bear of course, so I'll admit massive bias in favor of keeping Clark forever.

Kubina could get something. I'm not sure what though. Calgary and NYR should be good destinations, as both teams will probably overpay for him.

I mention Ohlund's return as a factor in trading for a defenseman, however he may come along, as we've got that cap hit to consider as well.

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02-15-2012, 07:57 AM
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Bergeron got a two-year deal a while back, but I don't like him.

I like the Solar Bear of course, so I'll admit massive bias in favor of keeping Clark forever.
Oh, you aren't going to take this well. Apologies up front for the upcoming insult to the ex Solar Bear.

Unless he's blocking shots, he's kind of useless. With the puck on his stick he's an actual menace to the Lightning. You never know where the damn thing is going to end up. Could be a clearing shot straight onto the stick of a forechecker. Could go right in front of the goalie with enemies standing all around the net.

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02-15-2012, 07:59 AM
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Oh, you aren't going to take this well. Apologies up front for the upcoming insult to the ex Solar Bear.

Unless he's blocking shots, he's kind of useless. With the puck on his stick he's an actual menace to the Lightning. You never know where the damn thing is going to end up. Could be a clearing shot straight onto the stick of a forechecker. Could go right in front of the goalie with enemies standing all around the net.
No, I take little to no offense at criticism directed at him. It's been many moons since he last played for the bear, and I saw many of the same things back then.

Clark is the rare role-playing defenseman. He needs specific instructions on how to play his game, which he will follow to the letter, and make it seem like there's more to him, but that means taking something off the menu he already has.

There's also no such thing as an ex-Solar Bear. The proper nomenclature is 'Former Solar Bear'.

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02-15-2012, 08:12 AM
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Rather dump Gervais and keep Mikkelson if we're looking at bottom pairing defenseman.

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02-15-2012, 08:23 AM
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Rather dump Gervais and keep Mikkelson if we're looking at bottom pairing defenseman.
Why not keep both? Re-sign both for the same salary if possible. I wasn't initially sold on Gervais and I wouldn't want him playing any higher than bottom pairing, but he and Mikkleson seem to make a decent pairing.

Also re-sign Gilroy. He's never going to be a top guy but he was much better than Rangers fans led us to believe.

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02-15-2012, 08:28 AM
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I'd be fine with keeping them both for our bottom pairing, but that means we have to significantly improve our Top 4. As it stands now, we only have 2 guys that capable of a Top 4 role in Hedman and Brewer.

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I'd be fine with keeping them both for our bottom pairing, but that means we have to significantly improve our Top 4. As it stands now, we only have 2 guys that capable of a Top 4 role in Hedman and Brewer.
I'm still holding out hope for Ryan Suter. Probably unrealistic. What does the FA market look like for D this offseason?

Oh man, it looks pretty bad out there for the offseason. I really wanted Gleason, did not think Carolina was going to re-sign him.


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02-15-2012, 08:53 AM
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Gervais isn't an NHL defenseman. I would be fine with Mikkelson though. At least he can handle the puck. Keep Hedman, Ohlund, Brewer and Mikkelson and add two more pieces IMO. I kinda wish we didn't sign Brewer to that contract though.

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02-15-2012, 09:39 AM
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I think Ohlund is done; if not he won't be anywhere near what he once was. Stuart, Suter, Sarich, Carle, Allen, and Colaiacovo should be looked at if they reach free agency.

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02-15-2012, 10:33 AM
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Why not keep both? Re-sign both for the same salary if possible. I wasn't initially sold on Gervais and I wouldn't want him playing any higher than bottom pairing, but he and Mikkleson seem to make a decent pairing.

Also re-sign Gilroy. He's never going to be a top guy but he was much better than Rangers fans led us to believe.
gervais no, mikkelson and gilroy are fine.

But Gervais no

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02-15-2012, 11:22 AM
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I'm not against keeping both Mikkelson and Gilroy as our bottom pairing guys. And Gervais was doing alright paired with Mikkelson. A couple of teams might be interested in adding MAB as their #6 / PP specialist for their playoff run and we should probably consider moving him if so. So Mikkelson, Gilroy and Gervais as our bottom pairing +1, I'm ok with that.

That leaves us with Hedman and Brewer for our top-4. Both can play top pairing minutes. The question is if they should do so on a regular basis. Either way, we still need at least 1 top pairing defender and 1 middle pairing defender.

UFA defenders come off-season: http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.p...D&fa_type_id=2

Worth noting (Ryan Suter aside):

Dennis Wideman (WSH's #2, TOI/G: 24 minutes)
Jason Garrison (FLA's #2, TOI/G: 23 minutes)

Willie Mitchell (LA's #3, TOI/G: 22 minutes)
Barret Jackman (STL's #3, TOI/G: 20 minutes)
Brad Stuart (DET's #4, TOI/G: 21 minutes)
Mike Lundin (MIN's #3-4, TOI/G: 20 minutes)
Scott Hannan (CGY's #4, TOI/G: 20 minutes)
Carlo Colaiacovo (STL's #4, TOI/G: 19 minutes)
Joe Corvo (BOS's #4, TOI/G: 18-19 minutes)
Nicklas Grossman (DLS's #4, TOI/G: 19 minutes)
Greg Zanon (MIN's #4, TOI/G: 18 minutes)


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02-15-2012, 11:32 AM
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I'd be fine with Grossman, Stuart, or Jackman.

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I think Ohlund is done; if not he won't be anywhere near what he once was. Stuart, Suter, Sarich, Carle, Allen, and Colaiacovo should be looked at if they reach free agency.
Colaiacovo?



I think I'll pass.

Bryan Allen isn't a terrible choice for a shutdown defenseman if Ohlund is indeed finished.

I'd be looking at Johnny Oduya too, although he's a different kind of player then Allen or Ohlund. Hal Gill would also probably be pretty cheap, and you know how we love Canadiens.

Brad Stuart isn't going to leave Detroit, I don't think, and the prospect of Lidstrom retiring probably makes Detroit very clingy to him. It should also potentially be a destination for Suter, should those events occur.

The elephant in the room is the CBA, and whenever that gets signed, the landscape could look drastically different.


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02-15-2012, 12:22 PM
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I would say we just need 2 middle pairing guys. I would look for guys who can play 20 minutes a night. A thing that hurt us a lot this season was the loss of Ohlund and Lundin who could regularly play 20 minutes each night and handle those duties. This is easier said than done signing two top 4 defensemen. Penguins did it 2 offseasons ago with Paul Martin and Zbynek Michalek but they had to pay. If Ohlund came back it would be easier, but even if he did, who knows if he would even play well. Obviously I'd love to have Suter, but only if it made sense. What I'd like to see the d pairings as is

Hedman-Brewer
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Mikkelson-Gilroy

I like Kubina and Clark, but Bergeron and them are getting up in age and losing there mobility. Kubina's stepped up his game, but I don't know next year if he will drop some more, and Clark hasn't been as great this season and his points have really dropped off too. And MAB is MAB. They all have great character and vet experience/leadership that is valuable to this team and make us this resilient bunch but it would be best to try to part ways with all if we could heading into the future. If we kept 1 of the 3 as a #5-7 dman I wouldn't mind. As for Gervais, we got good value out of him since we are paying him close to nothing and it didn't really cost us anything to get him, but he's just a bottom pairing guy. We can let him go. What will help next season is it looks like Hedman has hit a turning point where Boucher is playing him on the pp now and feeding him 25 minutes a game. The more minutes Hedmonster gets the better.

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02-15-2012, 02:30 PM
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I don't think we can afford to get both a nr 1 goalie and a nr 1 d-man for the next seaon, so I would say go for a goalie and try to upgrade the defense.

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Keep Brewer, Hedman, Gilroy, Mikkelsson.

Hedman-UFA/Trade
Brewer-UFA/Trade
Gilroy/Mikkelsson

I would love to see us get Suter, as would everyone else and every other team. It would make so much sense for this team, even if the contract is big (it will be), we can afford it and still fill the rest of the team with proper players.

I also like Wideman a good bit. Would be ok with a guy like Grossman or Jackman as well.

Hedman-Suter
Brewer-Wideman/Grossman/Jackman
Gilroy-Mikkelsson

Would be a very good defense IMO. Light years ahead of what we have now.

Then trade Connolly for Schneider. Draft Dumba or Murray.

This team contends next year easily.


Its all just so damn easy on paper right? Haha.

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02-15-2012, 05:19 PM
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Bring back Lundin!!

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Seconded. He could easily fill in as one of our top 4 D. I think everyone realises it was a mistake to let him go including him now as he has been scratched a few times for the Wild.

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I'd be much more conservative, considering last season's success (which, contrary to the nay-sayers out there was not a fluke).

Hall, Moore, Tyrell, and Thompson are all huge keys to the bottom half of the lineup and the penalty kill especially. No way should any of them be touched.

Malone is always talked about as far as trading goes, but he's the type of player the Lightning need. The team has been beaten by 'dirty' goals so many times this year, while scoring so little of their own. In some games, those are the only ones that are going to go in.

Bergeron will probably forever get a bad rap, but he really fit into the system well and was actually playing good defense in addition to his great offensive play. When you see a guy outperform his usual self like that, you've gotta keep him around.

In fact, one of the largest problems with the defense is that they aren't meshing well together, and are constantly on different pairings due to injuries. Clark and Kubina are not the problems - the fact they've had to play in inconsistent situations and against better players more regularly than in the past are the problems. Clark's main issue is that he too-often does not try to skate with the puck before passing it, leading to turnovers. Defensively, he's actually quite good and still among the leading shot blockers in the league. Kubina is also solid enough, when he remembers to use his size. But hey, even if a trade were to be proposed, are either of these guys at all highly valued by other teams right now?

The big question marks for me are: Purcell, Shannon, Wyman, and the rest of the defense. Purcell mostly because his value seems so high, Shannon just isn't as evasive as I thought he'd be, and Wyman I'm honestly not sure of. Both Gilroy and Mikkelson seem solid at times, but lackluster at others. Gervais is much better than he was on the Islanders, but I'm not sure that in itself is enough. All three of them are good at stepping up on the play, though.

As a final note, Pyatt is looking to be an absolute steal at that contract. His forechecking and boards play are what's impressed me most about anyone this season.

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Hall and Tyrell aren't "key" at all imo, and Moore is replaceable through free agency. Thompson won't be going anywhere and it look as though Pyatt has a spot locked in next year.

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EE reported that he turned down a multi-year multi-million dollar contract to stay here. He wanted out.

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"We have to look at any opportunity that makes us a stronger organization moving forward based on where we stand today," he said.
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"The trade deadline is in a week and a half, roughly," he said. "So we don't have the luxury of waiting until the end of the season to see if we are going to make the playoffs or not."

"We're not going to just give our guys away. But if there is an opportunity that makes us a better organization, we're going to consider it."
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But Yzerman said he has to maintain his long-term vision.

"We're not in a position to trade our first- and second-round draft picks or trade what we consider our top prospects to acquire players to help us get into the playoffs," he said. "We're not in a position to do that, and we're not going to do that."

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Could we really fit Suter? I know the new CBA and a salary cap rise will be key but looking at our contracts...

I mean what's his cap hit gonna be, $6 million at best? Possibly more.

We already have (cap hits):

Vinny at $7.727 million for 8 more years
Stammer at $7.500 million for 4 more years
Marty at $5.625 million for 3 more years
Bugsy at $4.500 million for 3 more years
Purcell at $2.363 million for 1 more year
Connolly at $1.633 million for 2 more years
Thompson $0.900 million for 1 more year
Pyat $0.600 million for 2 more years
Tyrell $0.600 million for 2 more years

That's 9/15 forwards signed at $31.448 million in cap hit, with 6 holes still to be filled.
Downie and Wyman (both RFAs) could and probably should get re-signed.

Hedman at $4.000 for 5 more years
Brewer at $3.850 for 3 more years
Ohlund at $3.600 for 4 more years
MAB at $1.000 million for 1 more year

That's 4/8 defenders signed at $12.45 million in cap hit, with 4 holes still to be filled.
Mikkelson (RFA) and Gilroy (UFA) could and probably should get re-signed.

Garon at $1.300 million for 1 more year
That's 1/2 goalies signed at $1.300 million in cap hit, with 1 hole (starting goalie) still to be filled.


In total that's $45.198 million in cap hit + Prospal's buyout for 3 more years at $1.667 million = $46.865 million.


With a salary cap at $64.300 million that leaves $17.435 million in cap space to sign [or call up] a #1 goaltender, 2 #2-4 defensemen, 2 more defenders (Mikkelson, Gilroy, Gervais or others) and 6 forwards (including Downie, Wyman).

So even if we manage to sign Suter at a cap hit of something like $6.000 million that just leaves roughly $11.000 million in cap space to sign [or call up] a starting goalie and 9 other players. And who's to say that we'll actually be spending to the salary cap? All we know is: We didn't do it this year - after finishing the season with 103 points (tying a franchise record) and losing game 7 in the ECF.

Obviously we could put Ohlund on LTIR (or he could retire and become a fulltime assistant coach) and try to trade Malone (who will still have a NMC until the end of 2012/13).

All I'm saying is, at this point I don't really see us signing Suter.


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The thing is, other than starting goalie (and top level defenseman) the players we can bring in can be brought in on the cheap, either from Norfolk or Free Agency. Wyman can/will be resigned for the league minimum, and Downie probably won't break the bank either. Ohlund's contract either will be coming off the books through LTIR or he'll be playing which will fill one of our holes. I'm not saying Suter will end up here, as there will probably be a bidding war to price him out of range (since every team in the league will want this guy), but it's still not impossible.

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Of the UFA Defense this year who would you keep? And other defense questions

This year 4 members of the defense will become UFA and 1 RFA. Which would you keep?

Kubina - UFA

Clark - UFA

Gervais - UFA

Gilroy - UFA

Mikkelson - RFA


My choices are Gervais, Gilroy, and Mikkelson. All three can skate, which is a big thing in the Bolts system. None of them are bad in the defensive zone, and all three can jump up into the play.

Kubina although I like him, if he isn't willing to take a pay cut, he has value trading him to a playoff bound team. Clark...what can any Bolts fan say about Clark besides "****ing Clark!". He doesn't fit the system in Tampa, so many games you see him getting caught flat footed or not even skating at all. He needs to go.

Letting Clark and Kubina go opens up $5.35 million in cap space. Finding a solid D-Man to fit the bolts need at around the $4 million range should be feasible. And also calling up Barberio (My books is perfect for Boucher system) might be an experiment that may pay off. Ohlund returning is a big question also, will he be able to play? Even if he does is it a matter of time before he hurts his knees again? If Ohlund is healthy and isn't rusty, he is a reliable body on the ice. But if even there is a risk of re-injury, would you buy him out or put him on waivers?

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