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When was the last time there was a draft as weak as the 2017 class?

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When was the last time there was a draft as weak as the 2017 class?

In terms of top tier talent.

Nolan Patrick, the consensus (?) top prospect in this draft checks off so many red flags.

- Lack of a elite aspect to his game
- Reports of laziness and passiveness to his game, lack of a killer instinct.
- Injury issues, a lot of them
- A DROP in production in his draft year (!)
- Doesn't even project to be a top line center by top scouts.

And yet, somehow, he is still ranked as the top prospect in this draft, which really tells you what you need to know about the rest of the draft. and this doesn't bode well for the other prospects in this draft.

So, does this have the potential to be one of the weakest drafts of all time?

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Well the 2012 draft is pretty unremarkable in hindsight, but it wasn't seen to be that weak at the time, so doesn't really fit your question.

I would say in terms of hype the 1999 draft is comparable though. Stefan was seen as a weak pick at the time IIRC. Rest of the draft is pretty meh, only really notable for the Sedins.

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Even Nail Yakupov was a better producer than Nolan Patrick in both his draft year and draft -1 year.

The rest of the draft class also wasn't a complete crapshoot like this one, there was some structure in the rankings. While in 2017 you have "top" guys like Liligren being ranked in the 2nd round by some.


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Is there anyone this draft year that can make it to the NHL at 18? Or is it REALLY weak?

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Is there anyone this draft year that can make it to the NHL at 18? Or is it REALLY weak?
From what I've heard only Patrick is considered anywhere close to NHL ready

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In terms of top tier talent.

Nolan Patrick, the consensus (?) top prospect in this draft checks off so many red flags.

- Lack of a elite aspect to his game
- Reports of laziness and passiveness to his game, lack of a killer instinct.
- Injury issues, a lot of them
- A DROP in production in his draft year (!)
- Doesn't even project to be a top line center by top scouts.

And yet, somehow, he is still ranked as the top prospect in this draft, which really tells you what you need to know about the rest of the draft. and this doesn't bode well for the other prospects in this draft.

So, does this have the potential to be one of the weakest drafts of all time?
I think you are over analyzing things on Patrick. To your 5 points:
1) agreed, nothing about is game stands out
2) could be due to his injury and coming back from it. He's 6'3 200 lbs. Everyone that size is expected to be a thumper, but most high end skilled guys are not, like Joe Thornton, Rick Nash, etc. Plus this is his 3 year in junior.
3) Injuries, it's one serious injury that he played through the playoffs with last season. You make it sound like he's Sami Salo and a different body part gets injured each year and he misses 20 games.
4) His PPG is virtually the same. Not like he went from 1.5 points down to 1.1 points per game. It was over 100 points in 70 games last year down to 45 in 33 games? If he put up 35 points in 33 games, I would have been worried.
5) What is a top line centre these days? This year is trending up, but the prior 3 seasons, 19, 18, and 17 players have hit the 70 point mark. So, if you score mid 60's that puts you in the top 30 in the NHL.

Is he the weakest #1 pick in terms of skill since 2000? Yes. But, I would say that is fair. But, I don't see Patrick being a bust because at worst he should be a good #2 centre who can score in the 50's for you. Yak had bust potential because you needed to bring him into a good system otherwise, he'd never play defence.

2011 wasn't that high end. RNH, worry was how thin he was. Landeskog, good 2 way winger with grit. Complementary player (ie. ride shotgun to Sequin for example).

Outside of P. Kane in 2007, that top group was underwhelming. JVR at #2, Turris at #3, then Hickey, Gagner, Alzner.

Might have to go back to 1996 and Philips to get that underwhelming a top end player. 1999, had the twins, Stefan, Brendl who got legit hype.

But, then again, after the hype, some of the top picks haven't exactly lit the league on fire.

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Even Nail Yakupov was a better producer than Nolan Patrick in both his draft year and draft +1 year.

The rest of the draft class also wasn't a complete crapshoot like this one, there was some structure in the rankings. While in 2017 you have "top" guys like Liligren being ranked in the 2nd round by some.
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Is there anyone this draft year that can make it to the NHL at 18? Or is it REALLY weak?
Whoever Vegas drafts is going to be playing, whether they're ready or not

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Yeah, 2012 didn't have top end talent, but still there were / are a lot of really good NHL players that came out of that draft. Murray, Galchenyuk, Rielly, Lindholm Forsberg, Dumba, Trouba, Hertl, Vasilesky, Skjei, Pearson, Severson, Gostisbehere, Parayko, Andresen, Paquette, Athanasiou, Slavin

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2012 is awful in hindsight, but was definitely hailed above 2017 Pre-Draft.

Honestly this is about the worst Draft I can remember going in, and I've been following each Draft religiously since 2008.

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Whoever Vegas drafts is going to be playing, whether they're ready or not
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What a year for the Oilers to escape the draft lottery finally.

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Well the 2012 draft is pretty unremarkable in hindsight, but it wasn't seen to be that weak at the time, so doesn't really fit your question.

I would say in terms of hype the 1999 draft is comparable though. Stefan was seen as a weak pick at the time IIRC. Rest of the draft is pretty meh, only really notable for the Sedins.
well there was that Zetterberg guy, I heard he was pretty good

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Whoever Vegas drafts is going to be playing, whether they're ready or not
Sorry, I meant Draft -1 year and Draft year

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Whoever Vegas drafts is going to be playing, whether they're ready or not
If so Vegas doesn't deserve a team. That'd be awful, for fans, team and player.

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Filip Forsberg, Jacob Trouba and Morgan Rielly all say hello from the 2012 Draft.

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Filip Forsberg, Jacob Trouba and Morgan Rielly all say hello from the 2012 Draft.
Hampus Lindholm...

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Chris Phillips draft
Jay Bouwmeester draft
After OV/Malkin
When Todd Warriner was picked 3rd OA

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well there was that Zetterberg guy, I heard he was pretty good
Yeah but I am taking about draft hype/expectations. He wasnt even on the radar then, same with Vrbata both late picks.

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Filip Forsberg, Jacob Trouba and Morgan Rielly all say hello from the 2012 Draft.
Yes.
Don't let 3 of out the 1st 4 picks fool you.
It had its strong players.

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Yes.
Don't let 3 of out the 1st 4 picks fool you.
It had its strong players.
strong not elite. I think that's more what people are saying.

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If Yak/Stefan/LSchenn been drafted by other teams, would going back to junior have helped them?

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