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Your Top 15 Overall Prospects from 2018 to 2020?

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07-05-2017, 03:18 AM
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Your Top 15 Overall Prospects from 2018 to 2020?

All is in the Title, if your into the scout game please inlighten me with your rankings

Mine based off of noise(meaning I'm not a scout and I haven't watched much tape):

1. Lafreniere - Possibly the next McDavid, so thus far Generational.

2. Dahlin - Best Defensive prospect in the past 20 years IMO, Generational IMO.

3. Svechnikov - Guy is a stud, has all the tools I'd argue other than Laine you'd have to dip into the 05 Draft to find a better Winger, so likely Franchise but has a higher upside than that.

4.Kokkonen - I think this guy is one of the best Defensive prospects we've seen(not named Dahlin) for a while, so Franchise.

5. Hughes(LW) - This guys very fast and from my eye test reminds me allot of Kane(more upside though), Franchise.

6. Simontaival - This guy (along with the next guy, but I'll get to him in a moment) probably has the best Shot since Stamkos(discounting Laine cause he wasn't drafted to long ago), he is looking like a mini Laine, Franchiser type player.

7. Holtz - This guy is the other guy, it's undetermined yet out of the two who is better and who has the better shot but this guy looks like Ovechkin, Franchise.

8. Veleno - Veleno reminds me of Bergeron with more offensive upside which is an amazing
comparison for a prospect about to be drafted, Franchise Center Upside.

9. Zadina - Elite

10. McIsaac - Elite

11. Hughes(D) - Elite, but could be much more(the ceiling for this guy is Karlsson IMO), he could be a Franchise D.

12. Kotkaniemi - Elite

13. Rossi - Elite

14. Dach- Elite

15. Krebs - Elite


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I really like Merkley at 3. Kotkaniemi and Veleno could swap. Other than that i think it is a great list!

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Damn, Tkachuk isn't going to crack the top 20?

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Damn, Tkachuk isn't going to crack the top 20?
My top 7:
1. Dahlin
2. Lafreniere
3. Svechnikov
4. Kokkonen
5. Simontaival
6. Holtz
7. Merkley

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07-05-2017, 07:52 PM
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My top 7:
1. Dahlin
2. Lafreniere
3. Svechnikov
4. Kokkonen
5. Simontaival
6. Holtz
7. Merkley
That 2020 Draft is looking astonishing so far but it's so far away that it's hard to tell who will be Franchise players and if Lafreniere will be Generational esque. I'm really looking forward to the 2018 one as well though.

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My top 7:
1. Dahlin
2. Lafreniere
3. Svechnikov
4. Kokkonen
5. Simontaival
6. Holtz
7. Merkley
Good chance the Canucks will get getting one of those guys

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Good chance the Canucks will get getting one of those guys
Fudging hope so, I want to see all the Canadian teams in the Playoffs and anyone of these guys could turn they're organization upside down.

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My new ranking list looks a lot like this. I have to say it's a nice style.

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My new ranking list looks a lot like this. I have to say it's a nice style.
Would you happen to have a 2020 list?

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Has Kotkaniemi really done anything to justify such high placement? I get that he's far and away the best Finn right now for 2018, but from what I understand, that's not really saying much. He's put up some good numbers but nothing eye popping, and he's spent a lot of time injured.

Am I missing something here?

Also, where are Khovanov, Denisenko, Kravtsov and Marchenko on your list? Those guys have all produced well in the MHL. If anything I'd think they'd all be above Kotkaniemi. Same goes for Ylonen, who wasn't even a point per game in the Finnish u20 league.

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I would add Jack Hughes and Ryan Suzukli to list for 2019 draft

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Would you happen to have a 2020 list?
Not yet. I only do 2 years at a time. So after 2017/18 season I'll have a better idea of who is out there. I've started my 2019 list after last season.

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Has Kotkaniemi really done anything to justify such high placement? I get that he's far and away the best Finn right now for 2018, but from what I understand, that's not really saying much. He's put up some good numbers but nothing eye popping, and he's spent a lot of time injured.

Am I missing something here?

Also, where are Khovanov, Denisenko, Kravtsov and Marchenko on your list? Those guys have all produced well in the MHL. If anything I'd think they'd all be above Kotkaniemi. Same goes for Ylonen, who wasn't even a point per game in the Finnish u20 league.
I'm pretty sure he's got the best numbers for a Finish Center since Barkov. 2018 is looking very weird to me because you have some people who are high on a guy like this, than some who are high on Tkachuk, some who are high on Khovanov, some still high on McBain, some high on Veleno and some still very high on Wise(as some thought he'd be the next Matthews or Eichel). We shell wait and see I guess because all the rankings are all over the place. That's one of the reasons I'm making this, I want to get a grasp from professionals to who they like, how they rank the players and why.

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who are the top 20 for 2019?

Svechnikov going to play in the CHL next year?

Last thing any of these players a franchise type player?

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...he's got the best numbers for a Finish Center since Barkov.
Are you sure he still plays centre? I don't believe he did at the u18's and I don't remember seeing a single Jr A. Sm-liiga game sheet from this past season that listed him as playing centre instead of wing.(I kept an eye out for it because I thought there was some confusion about which position he actually played)

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who are the top 20 for 2019?

Svechnikov going to play in the CHL next year?

Last thing any of these players a franchise type player?
- I think Daximus has one, I don't(I'm not great at evaluating young guys in differnt leagues/ I'm no scout)

- I'm not sure but he got drafted to Barrie 1OA in the Import Draft.

- Depends are you asking of the guys on my list or in 2019, I can break down the players I'm welll aware from each draft but you will have to scroll back to the top.

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I'm pretty sure he's got the best numbers for a Finish Center since Barkov. 2018 is looking very weird to me because you have some people who are high on a guy like this, than some who are high on Tkachuk, some who are high on Khovanov, some still high on McBain, some high on Veleno and some still very high on Wise(as some thought he'd be the next Matthews or Eichel). We shell wait and see I guess because all the rankings are all over the place. That's one of the reasons I'm making this, I want to get a grasp from professionals to who they like, how they rank the players and why.
But that's not really saying anything, is it? I would love it you could show me Barkov's numbers next to Kotkaniemi? When I checked, his (Kotkaniemi's) numbers seemed pretty meh in comparison, but I certainly could have been reading it wrong.

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But that's not really saying anything, is it? I would love it you could show me Barkov's numbers next to Kotkaniemi? When I checked, his (Kotkaniemi's) numbers seemed pretty meh in comparison, but I certainly could have been reading it wrong.
Kotkaniemi

1st Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 5g 10a 15pts 23gp

2nd Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 9g 6a 15pts 17gp

U16 International Jr: 6g 6a 12pts 11gp

WJC 18: 1g 5a 6pts 7gp

Barkov

1st Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 5g 12a 17pts 25gp

2nd Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 2g 3a 5pts 5gp

U16 International Jr: 4g 6a 10pts 13gp

WJC 18: 1g 2a 3pts 7gp


With all due respect I think you did read it incorrectly, this kid didn't start fast but he's as of late been playing amazing, if you don't remember there was a guy named Patrik Laine that did the same thing. But anything can happen and usually does(meaning this kid could fall super fast or even improve his rankings and get better).


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Kotkaniemi

1st Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 5g 10a 15pts 23gp

2nd Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 9g 6a 15pts 17gp

U16 International Jr: 6g 6a 12pts 11gp

WJC 18: 1g 5a 6pts 7gp

Barkov

1st Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 5g 12a 17pts 25gp

2nd Season
Jr A Sm Liiga: 2g 3a 5pts 5gp

U16 International Jr: 4g 6a 10pts 13gp

WJC 18: 1g 2a 3pts 7gp

You forgot to add that during the 2nd season Barkov already played in Liiga and U-20 WJC.

Difference between Liiga and Jr A. Liiga is pretty much the same as NHL and CHL.

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Has Kotkaniemi really done anything to justify such high placement? I get that he's far and away the best Finn right now for 2018, but from what I understand, that's not really saying much. He's put up some good numbers but nothing eye popping, and he's spent a lot of time injured.

Am I missing something here?

Also, where are Khovanov, Denisenko, Kravtsov and Marchenko on your list? Those guys have all produced well in the MHL. If anything I'd think they'd all be above Kotkaniemi. Same goes for Ylonen, who wasn't even a point per game in the Finnish u20 league.
Neither did Barkov or Laine...

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Neither did Barkov or Laine...
That's because they both stopped playing in that league at 15.

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You forgot to add that during the 2nd season Barkov already played in Liiga and U-20 WJC.

Difference between Liiga and Jr A. Liiga is pretty much the same as NHL and CHL.
I'm not trying to make Kotkaniemi look better than Barkov I'm just saying he's the best Finnish Center Prospect since Barkov, is the kid better than Barkov? If thst was the case people would likely debate him in the Top 3(As not even rank above Barkov would be in Eichel and Matthews range, IMO). Is there a possibility that he is eventually gonna be better than Barkov, highly doubt it but less likely situations have happened. All in all I think this guy deserves to be mentioned as a Top 5 pick for his accolades, skill, success and siz e for the moment being.

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Its way too early to start ranking some of these guys. Lafreiniere hasn't played a game in Major Junior yet, there's no way you can put him ahead of Dahlin and Svechnikov.

Quinn Hughes might not even be a top 15 prospect for next year's draft, let alone the top 15 over the next 3 drafts combined. I'd also be surprised if Jack Hughes has a higher upside than a 3 time Stanley Cup Champion who has a Conn Smyth, an Art Ross and a Hart Trophy.

The 2018 rankings seem a bit out of wack. There is a strong argument players such as Brady Tkachuk, Ty Smith, Bode Wilde, Samuelsson and Jet Woo are better than Veleno, Quinn Hughes, Kotkaniemi, and MacIssac.

Most of these guys haven't played at a high-enough level that you can realistically gauge how high their upside is. A year ago, most people had Jake Wise ahead of Dahlin and Svechnikov.

I'd be surprised if there are any posters on this site who have seen all of these guys live so far or even examined full game footage. It's hard enough to rank the 2018 class with how spread out they are.

I also can't see how there are 3 generational talents in a 5-year timeframe and that's before getting to Eichel, Matthews, and Laine.

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Good chance the Canucks will get getting one of those guys
I'd love it if the Canucks got Kokkonen. Juolevi-Kokkonen would be filthy.

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