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01-31-2012, 04:53 PM
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Id rather see Diaz win just so we can see Diaz vs GSP that would be epic....I think Diaz pulls off a UD in 5 round FOTN
If this thing goes 5 rounds, it has to be a candidate for FOTY. Diaz and Condit will both throw and if they do so for 5 rounds, we could have another Hendo/Shogun type fight.

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If this thing goes 5 rounds, it has to be a candidate for FOTY. Diaz and Condit will both throw and if they do so for 5 rounds, we could have another Hendo/Shogun type fight.
Only thing that held Hendo/Shogun back was fatigue, something that could easily not be an issue in this fight. Very exciting to think about how good this fight could turn out if neither guy gets finished.

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The only reason I wouldn't mind Diaz winning is because I want to see GSP kick his ass up and down the octagon. Either way though, this should be a great fight.

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The only reason I wouldn't mind Diaz winning is because I want to see GSP kick his ass up and down the octagon. Either way though, this should be a great fight.
Im not sure that would happen tbh.

Georges hasnt fought anyone worthwhile for a loooooooong time. He could be pretty rusty when he comes back.

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Im not sure that would happen tbh.

Georges hasnt fought anyone worthwhile for a loooooooong time. He could be pretty rusty when he comes back.
I think GSP will win the fight rather easily but it won't be because he kicked Diaz's ass up and down the octagon. He'll take him down, control him, and win a decision. I think Diaz has better stand up and he is better on the ground but GSP kills him in wrestling and all the judges look for are takedowns.

Don't want to look past Condit though. He's a beast.

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I don't see GSP have any problems with Diaz whatsoever, and he'll be as motivated as ever to make a statement that he can put on entertaining fights and look for the finish. I think it will be an extremely one sided beating.

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I don't see GSP have any problems with Diaz whatsoever, and he'll be as motivated as ever to make a statement that he can put on entertaining fights and look for the finish. I think it will be an extremely one sided beating.
Very little chance of that.

This is a guy that couldnt finish Dan Hardy.

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Very little chance of that.

This is a guy that couldnt finish Dan Hardy.
That's your reasoning? Pretty weak if you ask me.

I expect an angry GSP to dominate Diaz the entire fight, and I don't see much that suggests otherwise. GSP will be able to control where the fight takes place, and I think his hatred for Diaz will make him more aggressive than usual.

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That's your reasoning? Pretty weak if you ask me.

I expect an angry GSP to dominate Diaz the entire fight, and I don't see much that suggests otherwise. GSP will be able to control where the fight takes place, and I think his hatred for Diaz will make him more aggressive than usual.
I would agree, except for the injury/layoff. If that fight were happening this weekend, I think that's exactly how it plays out.

However GSP is extremely tentative lately as it is, and I would be shocked if he didn't play it safe after a huge injury and massive layoff.

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That's your reasoning? Pretty weak if you ask me.

I expect an angry GSP to dominate Diaz the entire fight, and I don't see much that suggests otherwise. GSP will be able to control where the fight takes place, and I think his hatred for Diaz will make him more aggressive than usual.
That's what everyone said about the Koscheck fight as well.

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That's what everyone said about the Koscheck fight as well.
That's not a realistic comparison though.

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That's not a realistic comparison though.
Why?

Koscheck annoyed GSP and talked **** about him while they were on TUF, he said GSP took steroids and wanted Olympic-style drug testing for their fight, he said he hopes GSP doesn't grease for their fight, he made some negative comments about Montreal/Canada, etc.

I think all Diaz has said is that GSP faked an injury and that he's a great athlete but not a great fighter. That doesn't come close to the comments Koscheck and Penn have made in the past.

Before the Koscheck fight GSP said the same stuff he has been saying about Diaz but nothing changed in that fight. We didn't see a more aggressive GSP. I would love to see the old GSP but I think there is too much on the line now and he would rather just fight safe and rack up the wins. I don't like it as a fan but it's the perfect strategy for him.

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Why?

Koscheck annoyed GSP and talked **** about him while they were on TUF, he said GSP took steroids and wanted Olympic-style drug testing for their fight, he said he hopes GSP doesn't grease for their fight, he made some negative comments about Montreal/Canada, etc.

I think all Diaz has said is that GSP faked an injury and that he's a great athlete but not a great fighter. That doesn't come close to the comments Koscheck and Penn have made in the past.

Before the Koscheck fight GSP said the same stuff he has been saying about Diaz but nothing changed in that fight. We didn't see a more aggressive GSP. I would love to see the old GSP but I think there is too much on the line now and he would rather just fight safe and rack up the wins. I don't like it as a fan but it's the perfect strategy for him.
Well, GSP did break Koscheck's face. He will never be able to have sensation in that part of his face ever again. You could see the fear in his eyes when Hughes was pawing at that area. GSP's problem in that fight was that he let up when the fight was in the bag, but he certainly brought some dangerous standup (not haymakers maybe but consistently damaging blows) in the early going, and that fight should have been stopped.

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Only thing that held Hendo/Shogun back was fatigue, something that could easily not be an issue in this fight. Very exciting to think about how good this fight could turn out if neither guy gets finished.
Exactly. If you think about how Diaz has the best cardio in all of MMA, GSP's is great as well, you're looking at a really great opportunity for a good war.

I also feel like a lot of people are selling Diaz short for whatever reason. Diaz is in the prime of his career and I think he's easily top 2 in his division. While I'm not gunna say this will be an easy fight for Diaz, I think he beats Condit and has a very good chance of beating GSP. Ring rust is very real and coming off a bad knee injury that hold you out of the ring for a long while, GSP might not be up to the level of Diaz. That is, of course, if Diaz gets through Condit Saturday.

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Exactly. If you think about how Diaz has the best cardio in all of MMA, GSP's is great as well, you're looking at a really great opportunity for a good war.

I also feel like a lot of people are selling Diaz short for whatever reason. Diaz is in the prime of his career and I think he's easily top 2 in his division. While I'm not gunna say this will be an easy fight for Diaz, I think he beats Condit and has a very good chance of beating GSP. Ring rust is very real and coming off a bad knee injury that hold you out of the ring for a long while, GSP might not be up to the level of Diaz. That is, of course, if Diaz gets through Condit Saturday.
GSP will beat Diaz up just like he did Fitch. If people think GSP is gonna stand there and let Diaz throw that jab at him for 25 minutes they are sorely mistaken. GSP will put Diaz on his back whenever he wants. It might go the distance, but it's gonna be a 25 minute beating.

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Exactly. If you think about how Diaz has the best cardio in all of MMA, GSP's is great as well, you're looking at a really great opportunity for a good war.

I also feel like a lot of people are selling Diaz short for whatever reason. Diaz is in the prime of his career and I think he's easily top 2 in his division. While I'm not gunna say this will be an easy fight for Diaz, I think he beats Condit and has a very good chance of beating GSP. Ring rust is very real and coming off a bad knee injury that hold you out of the ring for a long while, GSP might not be up to the level of Diaz. That is, of course, if Diaz gets through Condit Saturday.
I like Diaz over pretty much anybody in a 5 round fight. He's been controlled for 15 minutes before, but he hasn't been finished in 10 years, and 25 minutes gives him a lot more time to fish for a sub or KO, especially given that he'll probably have a better gas tank than anyone else in the division. If you ask me, Carlos is going to have to test his chin with some kicks or knees, cause if Daley can only drop him with punches, I don't know who will be able to finish him.

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Diaz missed 3 flights before finally arriving in Vegas

Apparently they have footage of everything that happened and they'll show it on the final prime time episode. I wonder if this was just for TV or if he really just likes ****ing with Dana and the UFC.

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Why?

Koscheck annoyed GSP and talked **** about him while they were on TUF, he said GSP took steroids and wanted Olympic-style drug testing for their fight, he said he hopes GSP doesn't grease for their fight, he made some negative comments about Montreal/Canada, etc.

I think all Diaz has said is that GSP faked an injury and that he's a great athlete but not a great fighter. That doesn't come close to the comments Koscheck and Penn have made in the past.

Before the Koscheck fight GSP said the same stuff he has been saying about Diaz but nothing changed in that fight. We didn't see a more aggressive GSP. I would love to see the old GSP but I think there is too much on the line now and he would rather just fight safe and rack up the wins. I don't like it as a fan but it's the perfect strategy for him.
The level of hatred between GSP and Koscheck (and really there was none, it was all Koscheck doing harmless stuff to build up the fight) and GSP and Diaz isn't even remotely comparable.

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GSP will beat Diaz up just like he did Fitch. If people think GSP is gonna stand there and let Diaz throw that jab at him for 25 minutes they are sorely mistaken. GSP will put Diaz on his back whenever he wants. It might go the distance, but it's gonna be a 25 minute beating.
I don't believe that. Diaz has good BJJ and wrestling as well. Plus his cardio really is a game changer. If you can go an entire fight and not get tired maintaining whatever pace you set, that's a huge advantage. I think Diaz can stuff some takedowns and land on GSP. If it happens, it'll probably be one the most exciting fights for me personally.

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I like Diaz over pretty much anybody in a 5 round fight. He's been controlled for 15 minutes before, but he hasn't been finished in 10 years, and 25 minutes gives him a lot more time to fish for a sub or KO, especially given that he'll probably have a better gas tank than anyone else in the division. If you ask me, Carlos is going to have to test his chin with some kicks or knees, cause if Daley can only drop him with punches, I don't know who will be able to finish him.
Exactly. Diaz does not hit as hard as some but he lands over and over and over and over and over and over and never gets tired. I think the Daley fight proved Diaz can stand in there with the most powerful of strikers in his division and take the punishment. To me, if its a back and forth battle, Diaz will take it. Its going to take a Condit domination to actually finish Diaz.

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Diaz missed 3 flights before finally arriving in Vegas

Apparently they have footage of everything that happened and they'll show it on the final prime time episode. I wonder if this was just for TV or if he really just likes ****ing with Dana and the UFC.
Doesn't surprise me. I honestly feel bad for the guy. To be this messed up psychologically, he must have gone through some stuff as a child. And I highly doubt Diaz would do anything just for TV. He's not an act. That's who he is.

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Diaz deserves a free pass and sympathy for being completely unprofessional and disrespecting those he works for? Okay then.

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The level of hatred between GSP and Koscheck (and really there was none, it was all Koscheck doing harmless stuff to build up the fight) and GSP and Diaz isn't even remotely comparable.
If what Koscheck did was just harmless stuff then I don't know why GSP is so angry with Diaz. Accusing someone of greasing and taking steroids is a lot worse than accusing someone of faking an injury. I wonder if Diaz and Condit's manager are right about this just being a way for the UFC to sell the GSP/Diaz fight.

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Diaz deserves a free pass and sympathy for being completely unprofessional and disrespecting those he works for? Okay then.
Not saying he gets a free pass at all but I can't help but feel for the guy because he seems so timid a lot of the times, which my guess would be because he was hurt in one way or another as a kid and its still affective him now and I can relate to that. That being said, he's a grown man and needs to work on his issues, although getting Nick Diaz to see a shrink would probably be harder than me beating him in a fight

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If what Koscheck did was just harmless stuff then I don't know why GSP is so angry with Diaz. Accusing someone of greasing and taking steroids is a lot worse than accusing someone of faking an injury. I wonder if Diaz and Condit's manager are right about this just being a way for the UFC to sell the GSP/Diaz fight.
There was also the whole situation of Diaz not showing up for both press conferences and putting their first fight in jeopardy. GSP felt Diaz disrespected him and the UFC and that seems to be part of the issue GSP has with him.

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Half the stuff Koscheck did was so lame that GSP just basically laughed along. I don't think there was ever any hatred there. Diaz (with the help of Cesar Gracie) has not only continually disrespected GSP by questioning his integrity, but has also gone about pretty much everything in as classless a way possible since coming back into the UFC.

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