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10-18-2004, 07:26 PM
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Kastitsyn

How good will he be.?

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This much.

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In the AHL this season?

Maybe 30-50 points.

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Very good

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How good will he be.?
Scary Good.

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Scary Good.
Terry Ryan, Jason Ward, Doug Wickenheiser, Matt Higgins "scary good"?


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Terry Ryan, Jason Ward, Doug Wickenheiser, Matt Higgins "scary good"?

You shouldn't talk like that, Green (with envy) just isn't your colour.

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Terry Ryan, Jason Ward, Doug Wickenheiser, Matt Higgins "scary good"?

Jealous leaf fan

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You shouldn't talk like that, Green (with envy) just isn't your colour.
I love green, and it so is my colour!

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WoW.! that good eh.?

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For the two games i seen him in Edm this weekend im not sure. He scored a
nice goal off a major league shot. He also set up Morgan who rang it off the iron.
Game two he didnt stand out and was used very little. On one of his only shifts
he cherry picked while the entire team skated deep into the Roadrunner zone he
made no effort to even cross the center line to help backcheck. I cant see that
impressing Bob Gainey very much. This said, he's in the right league to learn how
to be somewhat more defensive minded. He made a sweet move to avoid a chech
to send Morgan in so there is no question as to his talent. Hes big, moves well
and has the tools to make it. Does he have the heart? Im not sure its way to
early to tell.

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Jarvis doesnt let him play too much.
I guess it will take time before he gets more ice time, just like Perez last year.
With his current ice time, id say 30 pts.
If he gets a 2nd liner ice time, id say 40-45 pts this season.

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Jarvis doesnt let him play too much.
I guess it will take time before he gets more ice time, just like Perez last year.
With his current ice time, id say 30 pts.
If he gets a 2nd liner ice time, id say 40-45 pts this season.
Is the question how good will he be this year or how good will he be long term. Cause i see him starting slowly than picking it up and finishing with 50 pts this year, but in the future i see him as a solid 35-40 goal guy in the NHL.

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Probably slightly better than the Saprykin's and Afinogenov's of the NHL. (Speedy wingers with lots of flash, but not nearly close to the level Kovalchuk, etc. are on)

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Probably slightly better than the Saprykin's and Afinogenov's of the NHL. (Speedy wingers with lots of flash, but not nearly close to the level Kovalchuk, etc. are on)
He'll be a lot better than Saprykin and Afinogenov.

Not as good as Frolov or Kovalchuk.

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Probably slightly better than the Saprykin's and Afinogenov's of the NHL. (Speedy wingers with lots of flash, but not nearly close to the level Kovalchuk, etc. are on)
Well unlike Afinogenov, Kostitsyn's main attribute is not his speed, he's not slow by any means but his biggest asset is his shot, everything you read about him or you hear about him, is his shot, he's very strong on the puck, as he's come over to NA with a 6"1 208lb frame, up from 6"0 189lbs he was when he was drafted...

The coach is slowly easing him in, so IMO, it'll take another 10 games or so before he starts dominating like Perezhogin did last year, they're going to follow the same development they did with Perezhogin...

IMO, he's very similar to Kovalchuck, i'm not saying he'll be better or even come close, as I think Kovalchuck is a talent on his own planet but both like to shoot the puck alot, both are very dangerous with the puck and can do moves at high speeds, both are strong on the puck, but Kostitsyn has to learn how to better use his teamates, I think he's so used to playing on sub-par Belarussian teams that he thinks he has to do it on his own, I imagine it'll come with time though...

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He's getting very little ice time, but he's getting coached by Jarvis after almost every shift, so hopefully he'll learn...

So far it's too early to tell how good he'll be. If he's able to learn, he'll be very good, but if he doesn't progress, he'll be very one dimensional...

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but Kostitsyn has to learn how to better use his teamates, I think he's so used to playing on sub-par Belarussian teams that he thinks he has to do it on his own, I imagine it'll come with time though...
Last time I checked Kostitsyn used to play in the Russian league system, where they know how to play hockey fairly well... (even though he obviously did also play on some national teams).

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Kotsitsyn can have 50 point this season and the next season he can have 100 point !! Kotsitsyn is the best !!

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Kotsitsyn can have 50 point this season and the next season he can have 100 point !! Kotsitsyn is the best !!
There's a margin between homer and realistic. IMO, he'll finish with a little more point than Perezhogins last year and will be very dangerous in the PP.

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10-19-2004, 11:18 AM
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I like Kosts upside and definitely believe the hype, but I'm sensing a bit of reluctance on his part.

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Last time I checked Kostitsyn used to play in the Russian league system, where they know how to play hockey fairly well... (even though he obviously did also play on some national teams).
Really, I didn't know that?

Yes, he played briefly in the RSl, 17 games total, where he barely go icetime, but he spent most of his time playing for CSKA-2, which was in an inferior league with developmental players mostly, he also played for his National team, who aren't exactly an international power...

So my point stands, he's not used to playing in such a competitive league where the players are more talented

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Yes, he played briefly in the RSl, 17 games total, where he barely go icetime, but he spent most of his time playing for CSKA-2, which was in an inferior league with developmental players mostly,
Doesn't that basically imply that he wasn't good enough yet for the RSL and that his teammates must have been of similar level as himself?

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Doesn't that basically imply that he wasn't good enough yet for the RSL and that his teammates must have been of similar level as himself?
Not this again...he didn't play in the RSL because he was a young player in a system where the coach usually plays more experienced players, I know some younger players also had playing time, but for some reason, Kostitsyn wasn't one of them, maybe he had a problem with the coach, maybe it's because Kostitsyn has troubles in the defensive zone, and the coach is a very defensive minded coach, who knows really?

Kovalchuck didin't play 1 single RSL before being drafted, if i'm not mistaken, does that mean he wasn't good enough for the RSL?


the RSL isin't a league where they develop players, so unless a player is projected to stay for his whole contract or a good portion of it, they usually send him down to their farm team, most of the team in the RSL, especially the rich ones, want to win now, and that's usually at the loss of a young player...

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Well unlike Afinogenov, Kostitsyn's main attribute is not his speed, he's not slow by any means but his biggest asset is his shot, everything you read about him or you hear about him, is his shot
Afinogenov had an "NHL" shot in the AHL and the RSL as well. But when it comes to the NHL, players with laser wristers suddenly find out they don't have such a great scoring touch.

Hell, Afinogenov is outscoring Ilya Kovalchuk right now (Saprykin too but his team is stacked). But that hasn't translated to the NHL.

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