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10-18-2004, 10:35 PM
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First Madden, now Kolnik. Juraj 100% understood the question and wholeheartedly believes in his response to it. this intimidation crap by the nhlpa is archaic. koko, you have nothing to apologize for. heck, after reading those quotes, he easily admitted to saying them. the whole 'misunderstanding' thing is a result of the nhlpa mobster technique.

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10-18-2004, 10:58 PM
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Kolnik filled out a union card didn't he? He should abide by rules governing the NHLPA then. Their mandate is to speak in public as one in matters pertaining to collective bargaining. It's that simple. I hope his Team Rep reamed him out but good.

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So it's okay for the owners to do it but not the players? At least the PA doesn't fine its membership for speaking contrary to what the brass says.

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Kolnik filled out a union card didn't he? He should abide by rules governing the NHLPA then. Their mandate is to speak in public as one in matters pertaining to collective bargaining. It's that simple. I hope his Team Rep reamed him out but good.
Well, I guess he saw Chelios speaking out and decided it would probably be okay.

I hope they announce training camps with replacement players just so that negotiations start soon.

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the NHLPA must have the players by the balls

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I hope they announce training camps with replacement players just so that negotiations start soon.
its is illegal to impose a lockout and then bring in replacement workers.

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Im curious, do you have to be a member of the NHLPA to play in the NHL?

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its is illegal to impose a lockout and then bring in replacement workers.

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Well they can do it BUT..........it would have to go for 1 calendar year and reach an impasse with the courts, and then it would go from lockout to players strike. And then well right away from what I know we would be down to 28 teams as Ottawa and Toronto could not field a team. I believe the 2 Alberta teams would have to be left out as well,


I know in Ontario only emergency service workers can have replacment workers take over.

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Im curious, do you have to be a member of the NHLPA to play in the NHL?
No

To get sponsership deals you would have to be part of the union but I believe Mario wasn't part of the NHLPA when he came out of retirement. Until he sorted out the ownership mess.

A year from today I'm not expecting to see an NHLPA or a NHL to be flat out honest with you. And as much as I love hockey I just could not give less of a damn

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So it's okay for the owners to do it but not the players? At least the PA doesn't fine its membership for speaking contrary to what the brass says.
The NHL never fined a owner for having a different opinion than the league...

Both owners who where fined were on Bettman's side and made comments against the NHLPA, saying things that wouldn't look good, if this went to court.

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Mario still isn't part of NHLPA.

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The NHLPA "Family"
Don Bob Goodenow
Underboss: Ted Saskin
Consigliere: Trevor Linden
Capos: Bob Boughner, Vincent Damphousse, Daniel Alfredsson, Bill Guerin, Trent Klatt, Arturs Irbe

The NHL "Family"
Don Gary Bettman
Underboss: Bill Daly
Consigliere: Bob Batterman
Capos: Harley Hotchkiss, Jeremy Jacobs, Craig Leopold, Peter Karmanos, Bob Naegele, Lou Lamoriello

The hit list
Juraj Kolnik, John Madden, Steve Belkin, Tim Leiweke(I'm sure I forgot someone..)

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Kolnik filled out a union card didn't he?
You failed to point out that in order to play in the NHL, you have no choice but to join the NHLPA...none. He filled it out at the end of a loaded shotgun.

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Mario still isn't part of NHLPA.
If you recall, Mario had to get approval of both the NHL and NHLPA to play. Under Union contract, he wasnt allowed but a special exception was made, NHLPA made some $$$ by allowing him to play, his is Mario Lemieux you know

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The owners are up front about keeping their rank and file under a speaking out ban and the NHLPA LOVES to say how their members are free to speak their mind..only as long as you tow the company line .
That idiot Nathan Perrot was on TSNs Off The Record and hes spewing off how hes gonna go after the Kolnik kid because of what he said and a bunch of other crap ..yep free speech is alive an well in the NHLPA.
I just wonder how many more guys feel like Madden and Kolnik..i am guessing close to half .
Oh and as far as Perrot "getting" Kolnik ...hed have to catch him first so ide say Kolnik is pretty safe .

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Kolnik filled out a union card didn't he? He should abide by rules governing the NHLPA then. Their mandate is to speak in public as one in matters pertaining to collective bargaining. It's that simple. I hope his Team Rep reamed him out but good.
bukharin, could you please write me the abc's of your "union" demanding an "open market"? it's not ironic or anything.

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its is illegal to impose a lockout and then bring in replacement workers.

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Yup... and what I find fascinating is that the players keep talking about wanting a "Free Market." But, not having the ability to hire and fire your employees who refuse to show up for work under the terms you've set is not a Free Market.

This situation would end tomorrow if Canada and the U.S. didn't have such blatantly socialist labour laws. The owners would set the terms of employment, some players would show up, some wouldn't. Once the owners have set the terms in such a way as to attract enough players to fill their rosters games would then be played and that would be that. Now, there is a whole legislated process that must work itself out first before that can happen. So, ultimately, the very labour laws that were put in place to 'protect the little guy' is keeping the little guys in the NHLPA out of work and the fans from partaking of the entertainment they adore. Classic government-created market inefficiency.


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10-19-2004, 02:52 PM
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Kolnik filled out a union card didn't he? He should abide by rules governing the NHLPA then. Their mandate is to speak in public as one in matters pertaining to collective bargaining. It's that simple. I hope his Team Rep reamed him out but good.
Correct. It sucks to be Juraj. It's in the NHLPA's best interest to work this way. If I were Goodenow, it's what I would do. Of course, if I were Kolnik I'd tear up my Union Card, stop paying my dues and walk into the offices of the Florida Panthers and offer to play hockey for them. Hopefully, an agreement (contract) would be reached, especially if I offered my services at a price the Panthers felt they could afford.

Ultimately, the players, individually, have the ability to break the union. The question is, individually, do they have the stones?

No one is ever a victim of anything other than his own choices, be they good, bad, or indifferent.

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If you recall, Mario had to get approval of both the NHL and NHLPA to play. Under Union contract, he wasnt allowed but a special exception was made, NHLPA made some $$$ by allowing him to play, his is Mario Lemieux you know
It is a travesty that Mario L is allowed to play in the NHL. An owner /player is the officials employer. Any game he plays in you would have to say is suspect. When a player can get an official fired you have no credibility as to the outcome of a game.

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First Madden, now Kolnik. Juraj 100% understood the question and wholeheartedly believes in his response to it. this intimidation crap by the nhlpa is archaic. koko, you have nothing to apologize for. heck, after reading those quotes, he easily admitted to saying them. the whole 'misunderstanding' thing is a result of the nhlpa mobster technique.
Pure joke.

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Or they could just fold the league and start anew with no NHLPA.

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Or they could just fold the league and start anew with no NHLPA.
that could be possible by next September

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Or they could just fold the league and start anew with no NHLPA.
And what is the point of that?

Without the NHLPA, there is no restricted free agency or entry draft, much less a salary cap.

Without the NHLPA, all the small market teams will really have no chance. There would a whole bunch of teams that would go under very quickly.

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Just wondering....

Would it be illegal to impose a lockout, fold the league, then bring in replacement players a day later in a new league like the NHA (National Hockey Association)?

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