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02-15-2012, 01:12 AM
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Say, exactly how much time did Mullen spend on Mario's wing?

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Thoughts on my 1st unit PP:

Syd Howe - Stan Mikita - Lanny McDonald
Al Macinnis - Andy Bathgate

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02-15-2012, 07:59 PM
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Thoughts on my 1st unit PP:

Syd Howe - Stan Mikita - Lanny McDonald
Al Macinnis - Andy Bathgate
Depending on your other defensemen, I think you're probably better off with Bathgate up front.

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02-15-2012, 08:20 PM
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Depending on your other defensemen, I think you're probably better off with Bathgate up front.
Why?? Didn't you see Overpass' numbers on Bathgate. A Bathgate to MacInnis one timer makes me feel pretty warm and excited inside.

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Why?? Didn't you see Overpass' numbers on Bathgate. A Bathgate to MacInnis one timer makes me feel pretty warm and excited inside.
I think the wingers on that unit are very weak - that's why.

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02-15-2012, 08:38 PM
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Say, exactly how much time did Mullen spend on Mario's wing?
Maybe one season...

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02-15-2012, 08:43 PM
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I think the wingers on that unit are very weak - that's why.
Bathgate and MacDonald are natural RWs, and IMO, MacDonald in the crease is needed for the unit to work.

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02-15-2012, 08:49 PM
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Bathgate and MacDonald are natural RWs, and IMO, MacDonald in the crease is needed for the unit to work.
Eh it's not like you can't put both Bathgate and McDonald up front. Positions on the PP are a lot more fluid and LW-C-RW kind of lose meaning outside of faceoffs due to other roles- like guy in front of the net.

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02-15-2012, 08:50 PM
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Thoughts on my 1st unit PP:

Syd Howe - Stan Mikita - Lanny McDonald
Al Macinnis - Andy Bathgate
Looks good to me. MacInnis-Bathgate is an outstanding tandem on the point, both can shoot or pass very well and MacInnis can SHOOT. Mikita can win the faceoff and be a playmaker. McDonald is your goal scorer up front and Howe is Mr Versatile for whatever else you need.

One question - to take advantage of MacInnis and Bathgate bombing away from the point, you need a player or two who can screen the goalie and deal in rebounds and tips around the net. Successful PP's usually have those guys and both Bathgate and MacInnis did. How do Howe and McDonald do in those areas?

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Looks good to me. MacInnis-Bathgate is an outstanding tandem on the point, both can shoot or pass very well and MacInnis can SHOOT. Mikita can win the faceoff and be a playmaker. McDonald is your goal scorer up front and Howe is Mr Versatile for whatever else you need.

One question - to take advantage of MacInnis and Bathgate bombing away from the point, you need a player or two who can screen the goalie and deal in rebounds and tips around the net. Successful PP's usually have those guys and both Bathgate and MacInnis did. How do Howe and McDonald do in those areas?
Mcdonald is my plan for the fron of the net. He does have a 1, 3, 6 in PP goals and for starters his series winning goal was him banging around in front of the net with a broken nose (lol)

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He was the brightest star in game 7 of the Leafs second round showdown with the NHL's other hot young team on the rise - the New York Islanders. In sudden death over time McDonald - sporting a broken nose and a broken bone in his wrist - fought through a crowd in front of the net to poke a loose puck past Isles' goalie Chico Resch. McDonald's goal ranks as one of the Leafs greatest playoff moments in the illustrious history of the franchise.



I know it's only one goal (A very historic goal) but it does show how McDonald was not afraid of the dirty areas. Especially with a broken wrist and nose.


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02-16-2012, 02:06 AM
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Maybe one season...

IMO
Stevens-Lemieux-Makarov
Goulet-Thornton-Mullen

is more intimidating than
Stevens-Lemieux-Mullen
Goulet-Thornton-Makarov
Thanks! I'll keep him on second line then.

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02-16-2012, 08:23 AM
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Looking at completing my 2nd line Left Winger position with 1 of my next 2 picks, looking at a number of options. Was wondering if I go for a goal scorer or go for a good 2 way player. Mats Sundin and Steve Larmer would be the linemates of this player.

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02-16-2012, 08:27 AM
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Looking at completing my 2nd line Left Winger position with 1 of my next 2 picks, looking at a number of options. Was wondering if I go for a goal scorer or go for a good 2 way player. Mats Sundin and Steve Larmer would be the linemates of this player.
With Sundin and Larmer, your line is already pretty good defensively and has the ability to win the puck, but they won't be confused with a shut down line. I would get the best offensive left wing available, with a preference for balanced offense (since Sundin isn't a pure playmaker).

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02-16-2012, 08:29 AM
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Toe Blake - Elmer Lach - Vaclac Nedomansky
Brian Propp - Phil Watson - Dave Taylor

Thinking of switching Taylor and Ned to have 2 defensive consciences on each line, but I think moving Taylor away might take the "glue guy" away from Line #2. Opinions?

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Mcdonald is my plan for the fron of the net. He does have a 1, 3, 6 in PP goals and for starters his cup winning goal was him banging around in front of the net with a broken nose (lol)






I know it's only one goal (A very historic goal) but it does show how McDonald was not afraid of the dirty areas. Especially with a broken wrist and nose.
When did he score a cup winning goal against for the Leafs against the Isles??

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02-16-2012, 08:34 AM
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Toe Blake - Elmer Lach - Vaclac Nedomansky
Brian Propp - Phil Watson - Dave Taylor

Thinking of switching Taylor and Ned to have 2 defensive consciences on each line, but I think moving Taylor away might take the "glue guy" away from Line #2. Opinions?
I think Brian Propp does just fine as a second line glue guy even without Taylor. That said, I'd probably leave line 1 alone as it is - right now the reconstructed Punch Line is a strength for your team; if you put Taylor up there, you weaken it considerably.

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02-16-2012, 08:37 AM
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With Sundin and Larmer, your line is already pretty good defensively and has the ability to win the puck, but they won't be confused with a shut down line. I would get the best offensive left wing available, with a preference for balanced offense (since Sundin isn't a pure playmaker).
Agree.. Larmer is good two ways and gritty too.

But those guys could both use a playmaker.

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Toe Blake - Elmer Lach - Vaclac Nedomansky
Brian Propp - Phil Watson - Dave Taylor

Thinking of switching Taylor and Ned to have 2 defensive consciences on each line, but I think moving Taylor away might take the "glue guy" away from Line #2. Opinions?
I like all the players on your second line but I don't see an offensive catalyst. I see three gritty, hard-working, two-way players. Any one of them could be a glue guy defensive conscience for a line.

Watson was a pretty good offensive player and playmaker but he couldn't break a pane of glass with his shot. Sort of a Gilmour-lite with his hard-working, gritty style. I guess he can set up Propp and Taylor, but I still think you could use a stronger offensive player on that line.

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02-16-2012, 09:47 AM
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I like all the players on your second line but I don't see an offensive catalyst. I see three gritty, hard-working, two-way players. Any one of them could be a glue guy defensive conscience for a line.

Watson was a pretty good offensive player and playmaker but he couldn't break a pane of glass with his shot. Sort of a Gilmour-lite with his hard-working, gritty style. I guess he can set up Propp and Taylor, but I still think you could use a stronger offensive player on that line.
I would swap Blake and Propp. Breaking up the Punch line hurts, but I agree with you that the 2nd line as currently constructed looks pretty toothless.

I think Watson, as a center, gets taken too high in this thing. If he was a regular RW his value would make more sense, but as a center I just don't see the justification for his draft position.

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Who should play with Howie Morenz and Bill Cook on my 1st PP Unit?

Vladimir Martinec
Frank Fredrickson
Reg Noble (may play the point)
George Hay

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Who should play with Howie Morenz and Bill Cook on my 1st PP Unit?

Vladimir Martinec
Frank Fredrickson
Reg Noble (may play the point)
George Hay
It really depends on who you need for the second unit. I'd say Noble is the weakest offensive player of the guys you have listed. The other three are all good playmakers - exactly what that first PP unti needs.

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Who should play with Howie Morenz and Bill Cook on my 1st PP Unit?

Vladimir Martinec
Frank Fredrickson
Reg Noble (may play the point)
George Hay
I would go with either Martinec or Fredrickson, the other of which can be the engine of your 2nd unit PP. Martinec may be the better choice here because Fredrickson's size and strength will add something to your 2nd unit PP (the ability to protect and control the puck down low) that is already present on the 1st unit.

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When did he score a cup winning goal against for the Leafs against the Isles??
My apologies, I meant series.

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Wondering what the thoughts where on my top 6 forwards and top 4 defenseman and #1 goalie:

My plan for the lines go like this:

Dumart-Messier-Cournoyer
Damphousse-Sundin-Larmer

Tremblay-Mantha
Gonchar-Harper

Is this the right plan for this team thus far or do I go in another direction? I like the build of my team thus far but was wondering what opinions everyone else had of it.

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Wondering what the thoughts where on my top 6 forwards and top 4 defenseman and #1 goalie:

My plan for the lines go like this:

Dumart-Messier-Cournoyer
Damphousse-Sundin-Larmer

Tremblay-Mantha
Gonchar-Harper

Is this the right plan for this team thus far or do I go in another direction? I like the build of my team thus far but was wondering what opinions everyone else had of it.
I know one thing, you did a good job scooping Damphousse on me to give yourself a playmaking left winger.

I think you've got your lines set up pretty well with the parts you have available. My underwhelming love for Sundin is offset somewhat by my like of Damphousse and Larmer as well.. I think they aren't a great offensive second line in an ATD setting but good. And I think they are decent two-ways.. they aren't overly physical but Larmer is a bit of an iron horse - 884 games in a row. Man he was a good player.. no one can intimidate him.


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