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01-30-2012, 11:18 PM
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If we can't even make the playoffs this year, how can we be a top 4 next year? Yeah, youth growth, but how much money will we have to spend on FAs? We're up against it and have three big re-signings to make..... not looking great for the additions this team needs

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01-30-2012, 11:23 PM
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Some interesting stats I found in an old thread:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1008295
I knew that the stats were that close.... people that take the in the playoffs anything can happen like to ignore the amount of times the 7th and 8th seeds get eliminated in the first round, and the fact that if they do ride a hot goalie for a bit, it has never been for 16 wins.

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01-30-2012, 11:24 PM
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1) President's Trophy winners won 11 of 30 championships.
Championship Odds: 36.67%

2) Second and third highest point totals in the NHL (not just the conference, but the whole league, East and West): 10 championships.
Championship Odds: 16.67% for each team 10/30 = 33.33%

3) Teams that were 4th to 6th in the NHL (and NOT the conference) won 7 championships.
Championship Odds: 7.77% for each team 7/30 = 23.33%

4) Teams ranked 7th to 9th won only two Cup in 30 years.
Championship Odds: 2.22% for each team 2/30= 6.67%

5) No team ranked below 9 in the NHL ever won the Cup.
Championship Odds: 0%
Shouldn't that equal 100%. Somethings not right!

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01-30-2012, 11:24 PM
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Pitts, Bos, SOUTHEAST TEAM, Phi, Nyr, all have us beat.
Yeah I'd readily include Pittsburgh, Boston, Washington, Philly, and the Rangers as better teams than Toronto in both the short and long-term.

Where an argument may spring up is how one wants to value teams like Ottawa, Florida, and even Buffalo.

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01-30-2012, 11:37 PM
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Shouldn't that equal 100%. Somethings not right!
It does = 100, think you miss calculated.

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01-30-2012, 11:39 PM
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Shouldn't that equal 100%. Somethings not right!
Add the 36.67% you missed for the first option..

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01-30-2012, 11:40 PM
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Not yet and not for a while. We'll be lucky to land 8th seed this year, and you're right it's not often that the lower seeded playoff teams win it all. Playoff games aren't a one game series (thank God), this isn't the NFL, so can anything happen? Sure, but it's more likely that a championship goes to the team that has performed well in the regular season. Don't tell that to Vancouver though.

But some unlikely teams get hot and go on runs (Montreal 2010). I'm really hoping Toronto pulls something like that off.

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01-30-2012, 11:48 PM
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I highly doubt we beat out Boston for the NE, so we'd have to be out whichever of Pittsburgh/Philly/Rangers don't win the Atlantic. So it's highly unlikely.

I think we can put ourselves in a position over the next few years to be second in the Northeast, but that's about it.

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01-30-2012, 11:52 PM
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I highly doubt we beat out Boston for the NE, so we'd have to be out whichever of Pittsburgh/Philly/Rangers don't win the Atlantic. So it's highly unlikely.

I think we can put ourselves in a position over the next few years to be second in the Northeast, but that's about it.
Thomas and Chara will be ancient by then, so we might be able to move up.

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01-31-2012, 12:00 AM
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Of course they will. You don't win the Cup and then just drop off in to the abyss...

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01-31-2012, 12:02 AM
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Some interesting stats I found in an old thread:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1008295
Cinderella runs are nice while they last, but the teams with the most points have them for a reason.

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01-31-2012, 12:09 AM
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with the current team, i'd be surprised. it's not impossible but it's not likely. we'd need at least one more major acquisition.

and for the record, i think this would happen by passing the Bruins for the division and getting the #2 seed (hopefully they get a year without superstar goaltending!) and not having to get ahead of 2 of NYR/Philly/Pittsburgh for #4. neither is likely, don't get me wrong, but it's got better odds

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01-31-2012, 12:35 AM
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if 8th place is your definition of good, sure.
they were missing a 1C and had everything else, including a top 5 goalie.

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01-31-2012, 12:37 AM
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Some interesting stats I found in an old thread:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1008295
hmmn sounds like i'm right. guess "Ladiesman" has a revisionist history thing going on

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Sure. We are contenders already. Every team is a contender who gets into the playoffs. Anybody can win there and everything happens. Injuries and everything. On any given sunday, anything can happen.
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Is to. History proves me correct. NHL does prove me correct.

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01-31-2012, 12:41 AM
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It does = 100, think you miss calculated.
I added in the bolded... read it without the bolded.

Edit: Ooops, it says for each team, I was taking it as a total.

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01-31-2012, 12:43 AM
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I added in the bolded... read it without the bolded.
you didn't add the president's trophy (#1 seed)

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01-31-2012, 12:45 AM
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you didn't add the president's trophy (#1 seed)
I did, I was reading it as this before:

36.67 + 16.67 + 7.77 + 2.22 =/= 100

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01-31-2012, 12:49 AM
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Of course they will. You don't win the Cup and then just drop off in to the abyss...
Carolina hurricanes

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01-31-2012, 01:03 AM
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I did, I was reading it as this before:

36.67 + 16.67 + 7.77 + 2.22 =/= 100
For some reason, those percentages posted are wrong, it should be:

36.67 (11/30) + 33.33 (10/30) + 23.33 (7/30) + 6.67 (2/30) = 100

nvm you got it now.

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