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01-31-2012, 11:58 AM
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Love how Raymond is a "potential" 20g 40-50pt winger when he had 25g - 28a in his only full season.
53 points is his career high thus far, I don't see how saying he's a 50 point player is greeted with bitterness. He is what he is at this point, 12 points through 24 games this season, 148 points in 297 career games. He's right on the 50 points a season mark no matter how you slice it(so far in his career).

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Toronto, the only place where a Franson is worth a Sedin.


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01-31-2012, 12:04 PM
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^stop putting words in other peoples mouths^

Anyways Franson isn't moving, especially not for Mason Raymond.

Also Crabb isn't really a fourth liner. He doesn't play like it, his style not skill. He's like an AHL sniper and he can bring that to the NHL. He's actually been on our second/third line for a lot of the year. Scores a lot of sweet goals using skill not crash and bang style. I actually hope we resign him.

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01-31-2012, 12:06 PM
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To Vancouver:
Cody Franson
Joey Crabb


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Mason Raymond
Van 3rd 2012
Van 2nd 2013
Well, you started off badly. The Canucks don't have a 3rd round pick in 2012.
Make it Van's 2nd 2012 and 3rd 2013, and take out Raymond, and it's a lot more reasonable. Otherwise, it's a pointless overpayment for the Canucks.

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01-31-2012, 12:06 PM
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Toronto, the only place where a Franson is worth a Sedin.


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Now you're just making your own fanbase look bad.

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01-31-2012, 12:07 PM
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^stop putting words in other peoples mouths^

Anyways Franson isn't moving, especially not for Mason Raymond.

Also Crabb isn't really a fourth liner. He doesn't play like it, his style not skill. He's like an AHL sniper and he can bring that to the NHL. He's actually been on our second/third line for a lot of the year. Scores a lot of sweet goals using skill not crash and bang style. I actually hope we resign him.
I know what you are saying about Crabb and thats why i want him i really like the guy one of my more favourite leafs, He isn't neccesarily a 4th liner but on the Canucks he definetly would be and i think he would fit there perfect with being able to move up to the thrid when inevitable injuries occur.

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Crabb is interesting. He doesn't exactly play a fourth line game...like an above poster said he can score pretty well in the AHL.

He is a fairly physical player though, who brings a little bit of a scoring threat in a bottom-six role. I don't really seem him as anything more than a borderline third liner though.

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01-31-2012, 12:08 PM
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The one thing not being represented is that Raymond is one of the Canucks better PKers, which should be of value to the Leafs. Maybe it doesn't make Raymond = Franson, but that means he certainly does address some of their needs, and his scoring ability and overall defensive play shouldn't hurt his shot at making the Leafs better.

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Crabb is interesting. He doesn't exactly play a fourth line game...like an above poster said he can score pretty well in the AHL.

He is a fairly physical player though, who brings a little bit of a scoring threat in a bottom-six role. I don't really seem him as anything more than a borderline third liner though.
Thats exactly what i want, deal is more for Franson but i want Crabb too.

Are any Nucks fans going to comment on the fact that we actually do get the a Dman who is essentially exactly what we are looking for? Or just throw out overpayment over and over when i don't really feel its excessive at all and they don't look past they are maple leafs thus must be terrible.

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Raymond for Franson/Blum has been beaten to DEATH already...

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How about Franson, Crabb, 3rd for Ballard, 1st 2012? Or does Ballard have some value to you guys.

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Raymond for Franson/Blum has been beaten to DEATH already...
When a year ago....

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How about Franson, Crabb, 3rd for Ballard, 1st 2012? Or does Ballard have some value to you guys.
Id do it in a second but i don't see Toronto taking on that salary on their D.

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01-31-2012, 12:23 PM
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The one thing not being represented is that Raymond is one of the Canucks better PKers, which should be of value to the Leafs. Maybe it doesn't make Raymond = Franson, but that means he certainly does address some of their needs, and his scoring ability and overall defensive play shouldn't hurt his shot at making the Leafs better.
Not really. Toronto has spent the last 2 years trading for forwards who "should help our PK", and it makes no difference. Toronto's PK issues aren't because of the personnel (at least up front), it's because of the coaching.

If Raymond would actually make us better (a big IF), it certainly wouldn't be by enough to justify moving Franson for him.

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01-31-2012, 12:25 PM
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How about Franson, Crabb, 3rd for Ballard, 1st 2012? Or does Ballard have some value to you guys.
A 1st round pick in a deep draft doesn't get traded for that, ever.
The Leafs have to add someone worth a 1st round pick to get it.

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The point is Crabb and Franson to VAN for something around Raymond...
Raymond isn't worth Crabb and Franson. Raymond can't score and he may be able to skate but the Leafs have lots of these type of players without trading Crabb and Raymond.

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01-31-2012, 12:29 PM
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A 1st round pick in a deep draft doesn't get traded for that, ever.
The Leafs have to add someone worth a 1st round pick to get it.
and the Canucks have to add somebody worth Franson to us to get him...

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Raymond isn't worth Crabb and Franson. Raymond can't score and he may be able to skate but the Leafs have lots of these type of players without trading Crabb and Raymond.
25g two years ago.

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and the Canucks have to add somebody worth Franson to us to get him...
Good joke.
Obviously these teams aren't good trading partners.

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25g two years ago.
Kulemin 30g 1 year ago and look at the negative value people have given him.

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Good joke.
Obviously these teams aren't good trading partners.
I wouldn't do Franson straight up for Raymond, there is a reason he's being shopped around in every trade proposal.

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01-31-2012, 01:07 PM
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Well, you started off badly. The Canucks don't have a 3rd round pick in 2012.
Make it Van's 2nd 2012 and 3rd 2013, and take out Raymond, and it's a lot more reasonable. Otherwise, it's a pointless overpayment for the Canucks.
Uh no, we aren't trading Franson for picks. Especially not low-end ones that the Canucks would have. The Leafs are trying to make the playoffs.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Burke already said that Franson was practically untouchable and we'd like to keep it that way. He has looked like a solid top 4 defenceman for a good part of the season and has also used his physicality a lot more. Franson also brings a very accurate shot from the point on our PP.

Do no want Raymond either. We have enough softies with speed.

Bad trading partners.


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I wouldn't do Franson straight up for Raymond, there is a reason he's being shopped around in every trade proposal.
Yeah, because he's one of the few Canucks on the roster that doesn't play a key role but has trade value.

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01-31-2012, 01:14 PM
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Good joke.
Obviously these teams aren't good trading partners.
No joke... but you are correct, the two teams don't make good trading partners. Toronto's needs at forward are for top liners and top 6 size. Vancouver doesn't seem interested in moving that, so feel free to find a defenceman elsewhere.

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