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10-19-2004, 10:30 AM
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NHL turning up the heat...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=102123

This could get interesting.

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10-19-2004, 11:13 AM
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Is anyone else having trouble with TSN's website? I haven't been able to get on to it for a week or so - even with direct links such as the one provided above.

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It works fine for me. The story is that the NHL has sent a memo to the teams that says they now should cancel events on a 45 day basis, instead of 30. I'm not sure that this will put as much pressure on the PA as TSN seems to think. Hopefully an extra lost paycheque makes for a few more complaints to the union from the low-end guys, since that looks to be the only way talks are going to start.

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Is anyone else having trouble with TSN's website? I haven't been able to get on to it for a week or so - even with direct links such as the one provided above.
No problems here with TSN.ca all week.

As for the cancellation of games, the players must surely realize that the teams are willing to write off the season and start fresh without them?

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I've already written off the entire season. I have no expectations for the NHL to restart this season. I've been playing EHM And with the new fantasy hockey sim, I should get my hockey fix done. Besides, it gives me time to do other things.

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I've already written off the entire season. I have no expectations for the NHL to restart this season. I've been playing EHM And with the new fantasy hockey sim, I should get my hockey fix done. Besides, it gives me time to do other things.
For me the beauty is watching NCAA, CHL and anything else I can get my eyes on. Some of these kids are incredible. (BTW, I only caught a bit of David Rohlfs and he looked pretty good on a sweet pass to Tambellini on Friday night. )

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I haven't been able to access TSN's website for about a week either, so you're not alone!

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At this point, I'm not sure I even want the NHL season to resume. As much as I love the hockey, the shortened season just seems to take some of the lustre out of things.

I've already missed the annual Thanksgiving "hockey pool weekend" and the battles that play out during training camp. Half of the highs and lows of the season will already be gone if hockey starts in January. The entire "season grind" to me will be lost, and success in the shortened season will be primarily determined by how quickly teams can gel, etc. The mid-season trade or trade deadline won't be as exciting either, IMO.

It sounds odd, I suppose, but the beauty of a hockey season to me is more exciting than a prolonged round robin tournament of a few months, if you will. As a fan, half the teams I might be able to catch play the Oilers simply won't come to town.

While I miss the NHL, I'm content (not happy) to enjoy the quality hockey that is still being played, and do more of the things I don't really get to do enough of those other 80 odd nights in the year that I spend watching a game.

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The NHLPA's point of view is the fact that the NHL is not serious about talking. The NHL sticks to the salery cap idea. and the nhlpa is talking about shared revenue--however the nhl guys that own their own arena's treat it like a seperate business and feal that any money that the building makes off the games is a seperate entity. So my response to the NHL pointing the long fingure of blame at the NHLPA is a joke--the nhl wants the talks 100% on their terms and zero on the nhlpa terms

it is going to be a long cold winter

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The NHLPA's point of view is the fact that the NHL is not serious about talking. The NHL sticks to the salery cap idea. and the nhlpa is talking about shared revenue--however the nhl guys that own their own arena's treat it like a seperate business and feal that any money that the building makes off the games is a seperate entity. So my response to the NHL pointing the long fingure of blame at the NHLPA is a joke--the nhl wants the talks 100% on their terms and zero on the nhlpa terms

it is going to be a long cold winter
I think the NHL is quite willing to discuss the actual percentage of revenues should go to the players, but the players don't want their salaries tied to league revenues.

In any case, if the owners don't get a good enough deal, then the Oilers are gone from Edmonton... so I still am hoping the owners 'win' enough to keep the Oilers here. That's my bottom line, and as others have said, I cheer more for the jersey (Oilers) than the player in it.

Let's get the replacement players going already and step up the pace of this whole thing.

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btw

that 45 day window thing has more to do with the fact that nhlers have to give notice to their NEW european clubs before they simply walk away--the european teams and the nhl have already had a few run in over other things--so the NHL has to give them something

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Atleast you guys in Edmonton have the luxury of having the Roadrunners there, so you get to see the Oiler's future in real in-game action. I sure wish we had an ACTUAL farmteam for our Flames down here in Calgary, who would PLAY here (like in Edmonton). Sharing a team with Carolina just limits the number of spots available to Flames prospects in Lowell. Hopefully we get our own AHL farm team within the next few years.

The Hitmen here are great, but the AHL is the closest thing to the NHL that you can get. Don't take it for granted, fellas.

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My IT guy tells me that there is probably a "dropped router" - whatever that means - somewhere in the UofA system that isn't allowing TSN. Weird, I can still get all the porn I want.

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My IT guy tells me that there is probably a "dropped router" - whatever that means - somewhere in the UofA system that isn't allowing TSN. Weird, I can still get all the porn I want.

If you know how to run a traceroute you can figure out which router the traffic is dying on and give that to the UofA helpdesk. They should be able to get it fixed after that.

If you don't ...
In winXP
click Start and then Run
type in CMD into the box and press enter
a black window should pop up
type in tracert www.tsn.ca

That info is what the Uof A needs to solve the issue

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I think the NHL is quite willing to discuss the actual percentage of revenues should go to the players, but the players don't want their salaries tied to league revenues.

In any case, if the owners don't get a good enough deal, then the Oilers are gone from Edmonton... so I still am hoping the owners 'win' enough to keep the Oilers here. That's my bottom line, and as others have said, I cheer more for the jersey (Oilers) than the player in it.

Let's get the replacement players going already and step up the pace of this whole thing.

Bart
It is very reasonable that what the players make are tied with revenues but that's where they can't even agree on what is revenue. It's funny because everybody seem to always talk about what the players should earn but no one seems to talk about what the owners should make (not directed at you in particular Barto). I mean, I have been trying to build my business now for the last year and a half and it's definately not like being an employee. I watch on what I spend because I know the residual is mine. The more I spend, the less I have. I don't blame the owners for wanting cost certainty. For myself, if I'm not making $$, I'll go back to being an employee where I know I'll habe a fixed salary coming in.

I agree with you that I want any deal that will keep the Oilers in Edmonton or the Sens in Ottawa.


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if the owners don't win this by a large margin, then the oilers are leaving edmonton. I don't care if it takes 2 years but it has to happen. I am an oiler fan, not an NHL fan.

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Why look...another day, another angst-ridden NHLPA member:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=102207

I wonder if that announcement of cancelling games 45 days in advance was a bit of cold water in the face for some?

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10-20-2004, 10:28 AM
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I wonder if that announcement of cancelling games 45 days in advance was a bit of cold water in the face for some?
based on this WP story I'm guessing who cares?
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based on this WP story I'm guessing who cares?
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Well, it's DC we're talking here. Even if the NHL were on, the Caps would be relegated to the back of the Post's pages anyway.

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If you know how to run a traceroute you can figure out which router the traffic is dying on and give that to the UofA helpdesk. They should be able to get it fixed after that.
Cool, thanks s7ark. I've passed it up the line. A man needs his TSN.

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Well, it's DC we're talking here. Even if the NHL were on, the Caps would be relegated to the back of the Post's pages anyway.
Maybe you'd rather read
this SI article instead

There are plenty of 'who cares' articles around and the players and especially the owners better start paying attention. Bettman may think his 30 team league will be financially viable but he is in the minoroty if he thinks hockey is important, or even interesting, to most people in the southern U. S. Hockey was, is and will remain a regional sport in North America.

 
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