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01-31-2012, 02:37 PM
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At Sabres fans. Avs fans say no to their players and they get all offended.
Then again, I don't want Stastny even though shipping out Stafford would be nice. Call me crazy but I'm not really sold on Stastny for some reason.

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01-31-2012, 02:55 PM
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Then again, I don't want Stastny even though shipping out Stafford would be nice. Call me crazy but I'm not really sold on Stastny for some reason.
6.6 Million reasons.

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01-31-2012, 03:16 PM
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6.6 Million reasons.
If only Stastny's contract was as financially sound as Boyes and Leino, maybe then the Avs could be as good as Buffalo this year...

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If only Stastny's contract was as financially sound as Boyes and Leino, maybe then the Avs could be as good as Buffalo this year...
Boyes contract is up and while Leino has sucked this season, everyone else on the blue and gold has as well.

6.6mil for a basically Roy-like production... meh.

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01-31-2012, 03:47 PM
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Tyler Myers + 2012 1st

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01-31-2012, 03:48 PM
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01-31-2012, 04:01 PM
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I hope that there is some irony in this post.

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01-31-2012, 04:04 PM
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Boyes contract is up and while Leino has sucked this season, everyone else on the blue and gold has as well.

6.6mil for a basically Roy-like production... meh.
Paying him 6.6M for the next 2 years for Roy-like production is still better than paying Leino 4.5M for the next 5 or 6 years for Chuck Kobasew-like production.

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01-31-2012, 04:09 PM
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Paying him 6.6M for the next 2 years for Roy-like production is still better than paying Leino 4.5M for the next 5 or 6 years for Chuck Kobasew-like production.
Like I said, Leino has been bad this season like EVERYONE else on the Sabres. Doesn't mean that I'd trade him though.

If guys were scoring from his feeds and if he was converting, his score sheet would be much much better. But nobody is scoring so thats that.

edit: Still, could you please keep Stastny away from Buffalo. Don't want him at all.

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Like I said, Leino has been bad this season like EVERYONE else on the Sabres. Doesn't mean that I'd trade him though.

If guys were scoring from his feeds and if he was converting, his score sheet would be much much better. But nobody is scoring so thats that.

edit: Still, could you please keep Stastny away from Buffalo. Don't want him at all.
You could say the same thing for Stastny.

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Paying him 6.6M for the next 2 years for Roy-like production is still better than paying Leino 4.5M for the next 5 or 6 years for Chuck Kobasew-like production.
Yea, but atleast Buffalo has players under-contract after this season. We also don't make terrible trades like Colorado has done a few times in the last year.

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Yea, but atleast Buffalo has players under-contract after this season. We also don't make terrible trades like Colorado has done a few times in the last year.

Avs RFA's
Duchene
Mueller
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It's going to be impossible to sign all those guys isn't it? Maybe if we were Buffalo it would be and all our stars would leave like they do but we are not so we will sign them.

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01-31-2012, 04:23 PM
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Yea, but atleast Buffalo has players under-contract after this season. We also don't make terrible trades like Colorado has done a few times in the last year.

Avs RFA's
Duchene
Mueller
O'reilley
Galiardi
Porter
Quincey
Johnson
Wilson

UFA's
Hejduk
Jones
OMG, I can't believe the GM messed that up! Couldn't be intended because of an upcoming CBA or anything like that...

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01-31-2012, 04:24 PM
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Yea, but atleast Buffalo has players under-contract after this season. We also don't make terrible trades like Colorado has done a few times in the last year.

Avs RFA's
Duchene
Mueller
O'reilley
Galiardi
Porter
Quincey
Johnson
Wilson

UFA's
Hejduk
Jones
Teams like having flexibility, and not being tied down by high value long term contacts. I would rather have RFA's than contracts like Leino's and Ehrhoff's.

As far as the trades go, Colorado got a potential franchise defenceman, and a potential star goalie. You have to pay the price to get those type of assets.

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01-31-2012, 04:25 PM
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Yea, but atleast Buffalo has players under-contract after this season. We also don't make terrible trades like Colorado has done a few times in the last year.

Avs RFA's
Duchene
Mueller
O'reilley
Galiardi
Porter
Quincey
Johnson
Wilson

UFA's
Hejduk
Jones
I don't even know what the point of posting the first part is. Sabres have players under contract after this season? Good for them? They're one of the worst teams in the league and only have 6 or 7 million to spend in the offseason and you're acting like it's a good thing? Also, that 6-7 million is under the current salary cap and that might actually go down under the new CBA. Good luck with that.

All of the Avs key free agents are RFAs. Which means they're still under Avs control and they will be re-signed. Even after they're re-signed, Avs still have a crap load of cap space to improve the team. No one knows if they'll actually use that cap space to improve the team but either way, they're in pretty good shape.

Those "horrible" trades aren't looking so horrible right now. Varlamov has been inconsistent but EJ and McClement are playing great for us. We got a top defensive prospect (Siemens) out of the Blues deal as well. Not too bad. The only thing that sucks is that Yakupov has been killing it for the Caps this season. They might even win the cup because of his great play. Can't believe we traded him for Varlamov.

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Yea, but atleast Buffalo has players under-contract after this season. We also don't make terrible trades like Colorado has done a few times in the last year.

Avs RFA's
Duchene
Mueller
O'reilley
Galiardi
Porter
Quincey
Johnson
Wilson

UFA's
Hejduk
Jones
Is this supposed to imply the Avalanche are going to lose all or most of these players? They're the youngest team in the NHL, of course they have several RFA contracts.

And I wouldn't be patting Sabres management on the back too much. Say what you want about the Avalanche's recent trades, they're in the playoff hunt and Buffalo, who added millions in payroll with hopes of contending for the Stanley Cup, are not.

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As for the proposal at hand, it's not a favorable one for the Avalanche.

Firstly, it gives them too many rostered NHL players, and that's with Matt Duchene on Injured Reserve. And secondly, only the most desperate team would touch Drew Stafford's contract. It was obvious (to most) his .17 shooting percentage wasn't sustainable before he signed his current deal.

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01-31-2012, 04:29 PM
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Teams like having flexibility, and not being tied down by high value long term contacts. I would rather have RFA's than contracts like Leino's and Ehrhoff's.

As far as the trades go, Colorado got a potential franchise defenceman, and a potential star goalie. You have to pay the price to get those type of assets.
How is Ehrhoff on a bad contract? He already got a ton of that money and 4 million a year for a 50 point d isn't bad.

Potential star goalie who had played less than 60 games.

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01-31-2012, 04:38 PM
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Boyes contract is up and while Leino has sucked this season, everyone else on the blue and gold has as well.

6.6mil for a basically Roy-like production... meh.
6.6mil is such a financial burden on the Avs for the next 2 years when they're 100k above the cap floor right now...

On the other hand, Leino is a 4.5 mil 3rd line center for the next 4-5 years, while basically being at the cap ceiling. Obviously Leino is way better value...

Also, whats the point of bring up all of our RFAs, o wait, it can't be because management planned for the next CBA so they didn't get screwed over last time, thats way to logical!

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How is Ehrhoff on a bad contract? He already got a ton of that money and 4 million a year for a 50 point d isn't bad.

Potential star goalie who had played less than 60 games.
It wouldn't be bad if he was a 50pt defenceman, but he's on pace for 30pts. Not to mention it's a 10 year contact.

And yes, a potential star goalie who had played less than 60 games, that's why they say potential.

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How is Ehrhoff on a bad contract? He already got a ton of that money and 4 million a year for a 50 point d isn't bad.
He's on pace for 37 points this season, not 50. He was a 50 point defenseman while playing for a great team and running a PP that included guys like the Sedins and Kesler. He's not getting that with the Sabres.

But still, $4M for a 29 year old 35-40 point defenseman isn't bad. It could be bad when he is 34 or 35 and making that much.

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Well the key word there is "potential". He's still young. At the age of 23, Miller had 15 career starts and Varlamov has 83 career starts. The injuries have had more to do with him not playing 60 games in a season but I still think young goalies should be brought along slowly. Miller didn't have his first 60 game season until the age of 26.

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People who think the Ehrhoff contract is bad fail to realize he will be bought out at some point, unless Fehr destroys the salary cap.

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People who think the Ehrhoff contract is bad fail to realize he will be bought out at some point, unless Fehr destroys the salary cap.
You mean destroying it as to changing it so you can't circumvent the cap?

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People who think the Ehrhoff contract is bad fail to realize he will be bought out at some point, unless Fehr destroys the salary cap.
Teams don't buy out good contracts, only bad ones.

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Garbage. D.Roy is one of the last players I want on this team.

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