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Metro Seattle: NHL, NBA and Arena - Part II

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02-08-2012, 10:15 AM
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And what's the hypothetical NHL team's cut. A team that doesn't even exist or have an owner yet? As I said, pure speculation.
This.

Even if a potential RSN is created around the Seattle sport teams, that doesn't automatically mean that the NHL team would get a large cut. The team would get a TV deal equivalent to market value, similar to how Rogers and Bell will handle the Leafs deal in the coming years.

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This.

Even if a potential RSN is created around the Seattle sport teams, that doesn't automatically mean that the NHL team would get a large cut. The team would get a TV deal equivalent to market value, similar to how Rogers and Bell will handle the Leafs deal in the coming years.
The article/blog on the potential revenue for a RSN states:
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In Houston, the Astros partnered with Comcast to form their network and were given a 38 percent ownership stake, while the Rockets got 38 percent and Comcast 24 percent.
I assume Seattle would make a similar arrangement. I don't see both the NBA & NHL teams on the same network since then there will be some overlap on games and blackouts of coverage. Later in the article it suggested that the 38% could be work $200M or so as what is believed to be earned annually for the Texas Rangers. I think the NHL would be happy with anything near a 25% share of that revenue which would also cut losses due to the temporary arena issues.

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The only response I wish to make to your post this time is one of a direct apology to you, Habs05. I thought to point out in my previous post that my comments weren't specifically directed at you, that I was just using your post to make a general statement. I didn't do that then, so I'm doing it here. Still stand by what I said though, as there are posters here who seem to come from the perspective I was referring to. If you don't believe that you're one of them, that I read more into your post than what is your personal position, then fine.
I overreacted and I'm sorry for that. I removed a big part of my post. Everyone have their own opinions. I just didn't appreciated that we judge and generalize a whole population (pro-qc people in this case). We all have our own motivations but it's hockey and we all love this sport.

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Even if a potential RSN is created around the Seattle sport teams, that doesn't automatically mean that the NHL team would get a large cut. The team would get a TV deal equivalent to market value, similar to how Rogers and Bell will handle the Leafs deal in the coming years.
This is an assumption they would all be different owners. If one owns the NBA/NHL and MLB they they would get the half of the revenue as they provide half the content.

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02-08-2012, 11:23 AM
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I overreacted and I'm sorry for that. I removed a big part of my post. Everyone have their own opinions. I just didn't appreciated that we judge and generalize a whole population (pro-qc people in this case). We all have our own motivations but it's hockey and we all love this sport.
I wasn't bothered by anything you had said, I just felt that perhaps you saw my post as a personal attack.

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http://mynorthwest.com/422/624296/Ne...ed-source-says

"New Seattle arena is less likely than suggested"

other words not as far as it is making it less likely it'll get agreed too and funded before the league decides on yotes.

nevermind that it is very possible it won't happen. its been mentione many times that " planets need to be aligned for it to happen "

just trying to schedule it out cause of the city rule of needs to be 4 hours between games could be enough for it to not happen.

Other words no one really knows whats going on with the arena. Some say its close other says its not so close.


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The article/blog on the potential revenue for a RSN states:

I assume Seattle would make a similar arrangement. I don't see both the NBA & NHL teams on the same network since then there will be some overlap on games and blackouts of coverage.
If they make a deal with Comcast, overlapping games would be played on Universal Sports. Comcast has placed a few Blazers games there this season in the Seattle market.

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Another thing to note if arena doesn't happen in Seattle. It'll happen in Bellevue (plan b). if plan b doesn't happen then there is no new arena happening at all. Mcginn knows that there are other efforts trying to get a new arena built. He doesn't want that. I just don't see Mcginn screwing it up.

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Another thing to note if arena doesn't happen in Seattle. It'll happen in bellueve (plan b). if plan b doesn't happen then there is no new arena happening at all. Mcginn knows that there are other efforts trying to get a new arena built. He doesn't want that. I just don't see Mcginn screwing it up.
McGinn is making Nickels look like JFK and Rice look like Lincoln.
He's a punk.
Hoepfully, he'll do the right thing, for the 1st time in his life, about the Seattle arena, but Bellevue, should be none of his business.

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McGinn is making Nickels look like JFK and Rice look like Lincoln.
He's a punk.
Hoepfully, he'll do the right thing, for the 1st time in his life, about the Seattle arena, but Bellevue, should be none of his business.

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He's already doing the right thing. Nickles wanted to provide 75m of city funds to revamp the Key. Mcginn doesn't want to provide any city funds to the sodo arena.

There are other things that can go wrong that results in no arena in sodo district than Mcginn screwing it up.

I don't think public money going to happen regardless of where the arena is going to be. On the other hand I-91 only applies in Seattle. So if Bellevue wants to provide city funds they can if they choose to.

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He's already doing the right thing. Nickles wanted to provide 75m of city funds to revamp the Key. Mcginn doesn't want to provide any city funds to the sodo arena.

There are other things that can go wrong that results in no arena in sodo district than Mcginn screwing it up.

I don't think public money going to happen regardless of where the arena is going to be. On the other hand I-91 only applies in Seattle. So if Bellevue wants to provide city funds they can if they choose to.
I get that part about the no public funds towards the Seattle arena (except for the tax that would be put on visiting players, to pay for it, after it's completed), but for him to even think about blocking Bellevue, only since it would hurt his city is in poor taste.

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I get that part about the no public funds towards the Seattle arena (except for the tax that would be put on visiting players, to pay for it, after it's completed), but for him to even think about blocking Bellevue, only since it would hurt his city is in poor taste.
Legally he has no authority what goes on in Bellevue. Plus hes only trying to block the hotel such and such tax that is being used to pay off safeco field and the clink on being used for the Bellevue arena. Which is probably not going to be used anyways for the Bellevue arena. In reality Mcginn needs the efforts to go on in the Bellevue front. It presses them to get it done in Seattle or they'll lose it to Bellevue.


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Mayor McGinn to be on the Ian Furness show today at 2:30pm on Sports Radio 950:

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Mayor McGinn to be on the Ian Furness show at 2:30, Sports Radio 950. You can listen to it with the iheart radio application, do a search for it, I tried to post a link but for some reason it was blocked.

Might have a good amount of insight to the arena.

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Mayor McGinn to be on the Ian Furness show at 2:30, Sports Radio 950. You can listen to it with the iheart radio application, do a search for it, I tried to post a link but for some reason it was blocked.

Might have a good amount of insight to the arena.
Hard to say if it has anything new other than what's already been said.

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They talked more about the NHL today on Sports radio than they have the Sounders in the last 6 months not counting that Saturday Sounder show on KIRO. The average Seattle sports fan respects the Sounders and what they have done, but still hates soccer.

Both WHL teams have higher attendance than the minor league Sounders did. If you think the Sounders were are home run, just wait for the NHL.
They also carry Vancouver Canucks NHL Games on the radio as well, so there has to be a market for this kind of thing.

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Hard to say if it has anything new other than what's already been said.
Hopefully he brings something new to say in the interview later today

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Hopefully he brings something new to say in the interview later today
I wouldn't count on it. We only start really hearing about the plan once it hits city hall.

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http://www.csnbayarea.com/02/08/12/N...68&feedID=5878

Sharks TV "sports columnist" (whom most Sharks fan hate) Ray Ratto on how Seattle might be being used by the NBA Sacramento Kings to get a better arena in California. However, any Seatlle arena could also house a NHL team.

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Sharks TV "sports columnist" (whom most Sharks fan hate) Ray Ratto on how Seattle might be being used by the NBA Sacramento Kings to get a better arena in California. However, any Seatlle arena could also house a NHL team.
Wouldn't that be any different than NHL using Seattle to make sure the arena in QC gets done?

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Wouldn't that be any different than NHL using Seattle to make sure the arena in QC gets done?
At this point that argument could go the either way - maybe the NHL is using Quebec City to make sure an arena gets done in Seattle.


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At this point that argument could go the either way as well - the NHL is using Quebec City to make sure an arena gets done in Seattle.
Not sure if it go QC is being used to Seattle gets an arena. Remember NHL may not want the team to be playing in the Key or the Tacoma Dome.

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Sharks TV "sports columnist" (whom most Sharks fan hate) Ray Ratto on how Seattle might be being used by the NBA Sacramento Kings to get a better arena in California. However, any Seatlle arena could also house a NHL team.
The Maloofs (Sacremento Kings owners) using Seattle as the 'relocation' card in their bid for a new arena in Sacremento makes complete sense. Last year they did the same thing with Anaheim and the Ducks owner Henry Samueli. I'm sure Samueli is now in once-bitten-twice-shy mode. He made a great offer to the Maloofs, provided financing for their relocation fee and arena improvements through a Anaheim muni bond offering backed by his Anaheim Arena Mgmt company.

It didn't work though. The Maloofs pulled the plug on Anaheim at the last moment. What scared the Maloofs off? The public facing statement was that they wanted to give Sacremento Mayor Kevin Johnson another shot at getting the financing in order for a new Sac Arena. Could it be though that Chris Hansen stepped in at the last moment last May to make the Maloofs a better offer?

Seattle Mayor McGinn stated that its probable that Hansen already has some sort of "pathway" with an NBA team. The hot rumor is that its the Sac Kings. That points to the Maloofs and Hansen perhaps having reached advanced talks by this point. The conversations would likely had to have started last season. NBA commissioner David Stern did admit yesterday that he did indeed take a meeting with Hansen last year.

The Maloofs though are on record as saying that they will not sell the Kings. If they need to relocate, they want to remain the owners. Its quite possible, Hansen offer provides for some sort of ownership position. However, complete ownership by the Maloofs is unlikely as they don't seem to have the longterm financial wherewithal according a SacBee columnist.

Apparently, even after selling their Palms Casino property in Vegas recently, the Maloofs still owe the city of Sacramento ~$70 million and the NBA another ~$100 million. Those parties will want their money back from them at some point. Perhaps Chris Hansen is their new Mr Money Bags.

We'll find out soon enough. The NBA has imposed a deadline of March 1 for the City of Sacremento to provide a framework for financing a new arena. Sacramento says it can probably raise about half of the $387M required. It's plan is to sell its city parking business (worth $9M/year in annual revenues) to a private company to run. It's received some a couple non-binding bids from parking management companies that look like could be worth about $185M. The City Council is supposed to meet Feb 17 to review. It will have a couple weeks afterwards to decide what its going to do.

If Chicago is any indication, this could be a bad move both financially and from a PR standpoint. The City of Chicago sold their parking business apparently for half of what it was worth, yet the private parking company raised meter rates immediately. The citizens of Chicago very quite unhappy with the whole deal.

Back to Sacremento -- because the the city budget can't really afford to be without those $9M in annual parking revenues, the City has to find way to replace that revenue stream. An option under consideration is a new tax. Arena event goers will likely be paying a surcharge on their tickets to future Kings games if everything goes through.

Maybe the City should also look at taxing visiting teams and players as well -- something that the City of Seattle will likely pass soon in order to pump about ~$60M into Hansen developing the new arena.

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Good link.

I don't think seattle fans really care what team comes back. I think most would actually like Memphis, since it would *almost* be like bringing the Grizz back home. Plus the talent core in Memphis is better

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I don't think seattle fans really care what team comes back. I think most would actually like Memphis, since it would *almost* be like bringing the Grizz back home. Plus the talent core in Memphis is better
Yea there are a # of options NBA wise Kings, Grizz, Hornets etc.

I don't think the NBA is gonna say no if Hansen wants to buy the hornets.

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