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01-31-2012, 09:52 PM
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Look I'm not saying he is the next best thing but give him a fair shot. 10-20 games and no yo-yoing around. Give him the ice time and let's see what he can do. It doesn't help and you can't say other wise when management goes out and acquires veterans like Campoli, Mara and Sopel. Those guys will always play over rookies. Emelin didn't have the best of starts but it took time for him to get comfortable, give these kids the time, and after a good evaluation you make up your mind on keeping him or not
Why couldn't Weber just do what Emelin did and prove he belonged in teh lineup? Emelin was on the outside looking in. Weber was on the inside and lsot his spot. He hasn't been good enough all year to stay in the lineup regularly.

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01-31-2012, 10:50 PM
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Why couldn't Weber just do what Emelin did and prove he belonged in teh lineup? Emelin was on the outside looking in. Weber was on the inside and lsot his spot. He hasn't been good enough all year to stay in the lineup regularly.
He sure isnt bad enough to lose his spot over a guy like Campoli (Campoli calisse!!)... and he sure will never improve enough by playing forward...


and... based on tonight game (small sample I know) he sure isnt making any more mistakes than Subban or Diaz...

but when it's those guys making mistakes we always hear "hey! they're young, they need to play so they'll improve"... well if it's a good reason for them to keep playing, should be good enough for him to have some ice-time on D... he's only they youngest afterall...

besides, if Connie think he isnt good enough to get a somewhat regular shift on D... where did Connie got the idea he'd be good enough to play the last minute of a game we're trailing by one...

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01-31-2012, 11:21 PM
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Why couldn't Weber just do what Emelin did and prove he belonged in teh lineup? Emelin was on the outside looking in. Weber was on the inside and lsot his spot. He hasn't been good enough all year to stay in the lineup regularly.
I think they're making it tougher on him with all the balloting between 4rth line rw and D, often in the same game ! That's no way to developp a young player in my view.

It just seems the team has given up on him : he surely feels it, doesn't like it and will end up elsewhere soon. Not a tragedy or anything ; just another mismanaged young asset that we will have to trade for nothing...

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01-31-2012, 11:37 PM
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and... based on tonight game (small sample I know) he sure isnt making any more mistakes than Subban or Diaz...
Weber would be extremely exposed and look reaaally bad if he played Subban's minutes.

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01-31-2012, 11:39 PM
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He's one of the few who played well tonight. Just saying.

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While he may never become a great D, chances are that next season (after trading him this summer for an average prospect or a 3rd)... we'll have to trade our 2nd round pick cause we'll be missing a shot on our pathetic PP...

and while Weber will play for league minimum elsewhere, the guy we'll acquire with our 2nd rounder will probably cost 3X that...

and people will come here whining, not underrstanding how we managed to let go of a D who's top 5 or top 10 (whole league) in goals scored on the PP...
Your sob story makes me cry but I'd gladly trade him for an average prospect or a 3rd rounder.

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02-01-2012, 01:06 AM
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Why is everyone enamored with this kid. Nice shot but has little else to offer. Lacks poise in the offensive zone, very shaky positioning, zero takeaway ability and slow to turn on his skates.
Even the shot leaves alot to be desired. Unless you really put it in his wheelhouse and he actually gets it through traffic and on net, only then is it an effective shot.

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02-01-2012, 01:29 AM
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too young and still too much upside to give up on now. he likely was brought up from hamilton too quickly. and then there's the waiver problem....

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He's one of the few who played well tonight. Just saying.
Do you even watch games with any objectivity? He was really, really bad tonight.

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02-01-2012, 01:49 AM
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I also think he's a younger MAB.

And with that type of player, you have to ask yourself if his PP offense is worth his defensive liability and/or him giving you a worse 4th line.

It's a double-edged sword, and I can see the argument either way.


In any case, if Weber is the final piece you need to add in order to acquire an impact player, then you do that trade, imo. I wouldn't get rid of him just for the sake of getting rid of him, though (i.e. trading him for a mid-round draft pick or a long-shot prospect).

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Weber would be extremely exposed and look reaaally bad if he played Subban's minutes.
Yep, and against the players PK regularly faces.

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02-01-2012, 02:22 AM
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Weber would be extremely exposed and look reaaally bad if he played Subban's minutes.
Maybe, and the point isnt about wether he can play as well or better than Subban...

He may not have the energy or stamina to play 25 min a night anyway...

but 15 minutes ? pretty sure he can do it... no worse than a Campoli, Diaz and even Gill...

so, it's pretty much this
downside : he'll play as bad as those I mentionned
upside : he'll keep scoring on the PP and like most D his age, he'll improve his overall game.

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02-01-2012, 02:27 AM
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I also think he's a younger MAB.

And with that type of player, you have to ask yourself if his PP offense is worth his defensive liability and/or him giving you a worse 4th line.


It's a double-edged sword, and I can see the argument either way.


In any case, if Weber is the final piece you need to add in order to acquire an impact player, then you do that trade, imo. I wouldn't get rid of him just for the sake of getting rid of him, though (i.e. trading him for a mid-round draft pick or a long-shot prospect).
Despite his young age, inexperience and not so great defensive play, Weber is already miles ahead of MaB defensively...

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02-01-2012, 02:37 AM
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1. Bad positioning
2. Questionable hockeyIQ at the highest level
3. Very little to know poise. Handles the puck like it's a grenade.
Yeah after 88 games in a career most players peak. There's no chance to keep playing and improving.....

We should dump him like other busts like Ribeiro, Robidas, Beauchemin, Hainsey, O'Byrne, Latendresse, who were all not good enough to play in Montreal.

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02-01-2012, 03:03 AM
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Yeah after 88 games in a career most players peak. There's no chance to keep playing and improving.....

We should dump him like other busts like Ribeiro, Robidas, Beauchemin, Hainsey, O'Byrne, Latendresse, who were all not good enough to play in Montreal.
think you forgot S. Kostystin, Grabovski, Streit in your list

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02-01-2012, 03:06 AM
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Even the shot leaves alot to be desired. Unless you really put it in his wheelhouse and he actually gets it through traffic and on net, only then is it an effective shot.
1sst for PP goals by a D-man on the Habs...
6th for PP goals by a D-man in the whole league...

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02-01-2012, 03:22 AM
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1sst for PP goals by a D-man on the Habs...
6th for PP goals by a D-man in the whole league...
It's only 4 goals, calm down there.

Your other points are silly so I doubt anyone sane is going to bother. Just try to watch him play next time, if he's not traded by then.

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02-01-2012, 03:25 AM
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think you forgot S. Kostystin, Grabovski, Streit in your list
Wow no. Weber is nowhere near as multidimensional as those guys.

His main sell is his shot that's it. He has a small frame and there are no other wrinkles in his game. He doesn't possess any defensive qualities that a, you know, dman is suppose to have.

One trick pony. And it's in the wrong side of the rink given his position.

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02-01-2012, 03:32 AM
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Wow no. Weber is nowhere near as multidimensional as those guys.

His main sell is his shot that's it. He has a small frame and there are no other wrinkles in his game. He doesn't possess any defensive qualities that a, you know, dman is suppose to have.

One trick pony. And it's in the wrong side of the rink given his position.
His trick seems to work fine, and given our rank on the PP, it's definitely on the right side of the rink.

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02-01-2012, 03:33 AM
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It's only 4 goals, calm down there.

Your other points are silly
so I doubt anyone sane is going to bother. Just try to watch him play next time, if he's not traded by then.
What is silly is being 30th on the PP...

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His trick seems to work fine, and given our rank on the PP, it's definitely on the right side of the rink.
If I'm a D-man and I'm going to excel in one thing and suck at everything else, I'd rather be good at "defending".

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His trick seems to work fine, and given our rank on the PP, it's definitely on the right side of the rink.
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What is silly is being 30th on the PP...
These points don't add up

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These points don't add up
pretty easy, best point shot on the team, worst PP in the league... he's scratched more often than not... and when he's not, he plays on the 4th line...

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If I'm a D-man and I'm going to excel in one thing and suck at everything else, I'd rather be good at "defending".
if you're a 23 years old D, the youngest on your team, a team that is very unlikely to make the PO, all I'd hope for is for you to be "good at developping"

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if you're a 23 years old D, the youngest on your team, a team that is very unlikely to make the PO, all I'd hope for is for you to be "good at developping"
Develop what? There's nothing there.

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