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02-03-2012, 11:53 AM
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Right on. Too many people think offensive D-man = PMD. Separate things.

When Zidlicky's on, he's a good puck RUSHER. And when he's on he can be dangerous with his shot when he pinches in the offensive zone. But I wouldn't consider him a good puck mover.

To me, that's a player who can win a puck race/battle in the defensive zone, skate it out of trouble, and make a good first pass to get it back up the ice. Johnsson was a PMD. They don't necessarily have to score 15 goals.

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02-03-2012, 12:12 PM
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Right on. Too many people think offensive D-man = PMD. Separate things.

When Zidlicky's on, he's a good puck RUSHER. And when he's on he can be dangerous with his shot when he pinches in the offensive zone. But I wouldn't consider him a good puck mover.

To me, that's a player who can win a puck race/battle in the defensive zone, skate it out of trouble, and make a good first pass to get it back up the ice. Johnsson was a PMD. They don't necessarily have to score 15 goals.
Yeah... In my write up over in the trade forums, I made it clear that he is not a PMD.

If he were a PMD??? The Wild would be able to get the puck out of their friggin zone, while possessing it when Zidlicky is on the ice.

Again... Zidlicky would be beneficial to a team that has a coach who preaches a "dump and chase" forecheck system. He's great at dumping the puck, but moving it???

He sucks.

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02-03-2012, 01:01 PM
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If a PMD is prone to making mistakes...he's not a PMD.

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I wonder if Zidlicky is going to keep getting scratched in an effort to force him to waive his NTC. Either waive the NTC to play somewhere else and get minutes or sit in the JSMPB.

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02-03-2012, 01:34 PM
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I wonder if Zidlicky is going to keep getting scratched in an effort to force him to waive his NTC. Either waive the NTC to play somewhere else and get minutes or sit in the JSMPB.
Possibly, after what happened I don't think Yeo and Fletch want him here. Should be traded soon so he can play the style he wants and we can find someone who can play the style we want. Plus it frees $4 million in cap space for next year.

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02-03-2012, 01:46 PM
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Can anybody come up with 3 teams that would want him, even at a low price? They would also have to pay him $4m next year as well. I'm coming up empty.

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02-03-2012, 01:52 PM
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Can anybody come up with 3 teams that would want him, even at a low price? They would also have to pay him $4m next year as well. I'm coming up empty.
Detroit, Anaheim, Buffalo

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02-03-2012, 01:53 PM
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Any team that plays the sort of system that he does well in would be interested.

Ottawa and NYR fans have expressed quite a bit of interest in him on the trade forum. Columbus would be a good fit. Nashville could be a good fit (would have to be Zid + Zucker/Phillips for Blum or similar type deal). Edmonton could certainly use him. I'm sure there's a few others.

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This team last 4 has been great minua the meltdown vs nashy, so given that and how zidz made it about himself can wild really play him, what message will that send, lundin has a bigger bone to pick and he hasnt gone out and *****ed.

There is interest if the price is right, if gomez got moved so will zidz

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02-03-2012, 03:22 PM
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He'll be moved, I'm just not sure how much value we're going to get. It's hard to say at this point after his atrocious season and stuff of that nature. He could fit in well somewhere else, I'd hope we could obtain a 2nd round pick and another bad contract. That might be worth thinking about.

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Detroit, Anaheim, Buffalo
Detroit maybe. Why Anaheim or Buffalo?

Everything I've seen from Buffalo says they're going to be sellers. They're definitely not solid enough to go deep into the playoffs. They spend a lot of money signing players who didn't live up to their potential - why would they sign an aging defenseman with an attitude problem?

Anaheim isn't making the playoffs unless they go nearly perfect for the second-half. They also have multiple aging defenseman that they may or may not be looking to get rid of. I highly doubt they'd be looking at Zidlicky unless they think he'll pull a complete 180 and help them next year.

In the East, I could see Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, or the Rangers looking at Zid. As for the West, nearly anybody in the Central minus the Blues could add defensive depth. In my opinion, the front-runner would be Nashville, based on Zid's history with the organization.

All these teams are looking to make deep playoff runs, and adding a depth offensive defenseman with low stock seems like a no-brainer.

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02-03-2012, 05:44 PM
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Anyway to make a Zidz for Hemsky trade happen?

Hemsky has a relatively low trade value right now because of some injured seasons. And we obviously don't want Zidz anyway. Hemsky clearly has top 6 talent, which we desperately need.

As a UFA he's basically a rental. But it would be a good way to see if he's a fit for the team before offering a contract.

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is any team out there coasting at the cap floor in danger of going under it? Why not take on Zid if that was the case?

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is any team out there coasting at the cap floor in danger of going under it? Why not take on Zid if that was the case?
Jets
Canes

come to mind...

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Jets wont want them. They have enough offensive defenseman.

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Here's caps listed by team.

Avalanche, Stars, Predators, Hurricanes, Islanders...

All have a bunch of cap space.

I'm still saying the Preds want him back. It's just a matter of them waiting until Fletcher gets desperate.

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I would like to trade Zids soon, clear some space for next year and bring in a younger D. Zids has just lost it here the last few seasons.

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I would probably trade him for Pierre-Marc's cousin.

We all know the Isles needs a defenseman after all..

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02-07-2012, 02:54 AM
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I would probably trade him for Pierre-Marc's cousin.

We all know the Isles needs a defenseman after all..

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You're asking far too much for Zids. I think a trade to San Jose for one of Jimmy Sheppard's legendary bags of popcorn would be a fair asking price.

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I have a feeling at this rate he might just be a buy-out in the off-season.

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02-07-2012, 10:09 AM
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I have a feeling at this rate he might just be a buy-out in the off-season.
I don't see that at all. I imagine he's probably worth a second or third round pick at the draft. A lot of people on here are confusing "undesirable on this team" with "not worth anything." That can be the case sometimes, but as I had mentioned before, I think Zid's outburst actually improved his value because it showed his poor play is in part because of an incompatibility between player and system. A team with a different system or personnel will have use for him. Sure he's overpaid, but in the offseason, especially with how the available defenseman market is shaping up, he could easily have value to a number of team. At absolute worst, there would be a team willing to claim him for $2MM on re-entry waivers.

He hasn't been moved yet, but that's because he's not a deadline move type contract. He still has another year on the books, so teams are far less interested in him at this point in a season. This time of the year is for rentals and lateral moves. Unless someone's a younger player (a la Versteeg), those with additional years on their contract aren't going to move at this point in any season.

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He should be traded by the deadline.

I can't imagine nobody is interested in him.

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I dunno, it wouldn't be the first player. Bryzgalov for instance had no trade value but was picked up on waivers. Barker we couldn't trade at his salary so had to buy him out and then he re-signed for half price.

Zids has a big cap hit. $4m + 2nd/3rd could be too much for his question marks.

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I dunno, it wouldn't be the first player. Bryzgalov for instance had no trade value but was picked up on waivers. Barker we couldn't trade at his salary so had to buy him out and then he re-signed for half price.

Zids has a big cap hit. $4m + 2nd/3rd could be too much for his question marks.
Well, if a 2nd/3rd is too much, you trade him for a 4th/5th.

NO MORE BUYOUTS!

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02-07-2012, 10:32 AM
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I don't think he'll go by the trade deadline unless someone offers a 2nd/3rd (or equivalent) for him because I can't see him not being worth that in the offseason. He's so hard to move right now because the teams that have a spot for him probably don't want him next season, and the teams that want him next season probably don't have a spot for him.

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