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Bobby Ryan for Jack Johnson and 1st

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02-01-2012, 02:40 AM
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Johnson is fine defensively. I see Fowler get worn down physically along the boards more than the "liability" JJ
Ya but Fowler doesn't continually make stupid ill timed pinches at the offensive blueline, nor turn the puck over when he's in possession of it in the D zone.

Jack is an all style, low substance player. very overrated.

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02-01-2012, 04:57 AM
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To ANA: Jack Johnson and 2012 1st
to LA: Bobby Ryan

Kings get a legit top line winger for kopitar and who can stay healthy and put up 35-40/70 a year. Theyre deep on defense so they can recover from losing JJ.

Ducks unload Ryan and get a top 2 defenseman who is good for 40-50pts every year and high potential to be their #1 very soon plus a 1st. A d-core of Johnson, Fowler, sbisa for the futuren is pretty solid.
No thanks, we don't need Johnson if it involves getting rid of Ryan.

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Like I said Bobby's value gets INFLATED when traded to a divisional rival. Ryan for Richards would be a fair deal except for the fact that Bobby is younger and is on a better deal. Murray doesn't like long term deals and would have to receive an over payment for a player signed through 2019.
The same logic could be used for Richards.
I think that the ducks would need to add to Ryan to get Richards. Stanley cup teams are built with depth down the middle (one of the reasons TO is a long way out yet), and as such top talent centermen are more valuable than wingers.
I would much rather see doughty being moved for Ryan than richards, but sounds like a lot of duck fans believe Johnson + pick is good value for Ryan just would not happen.

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02-01-2012, 12:59 PM
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The Ducks don't need to trade Ryan, and their defense looks set for now. Also, the Kings would have better luck pulling off a blockbuster with aliens on the moon.

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...but sounds like a lot of duck fans believe Johnson + pick is good value for Ryan just would not happen.
I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion.

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pretty fair deal coming from my perspective (kings fan)

JJ has a friendly contract, will help the duck's D (JJ is undervalued) when it comes to defense.

But I understand where most ducks fans are coming from, it would take DD or Richards to get someone like Ryan. So in reality in terms of hfboards, it would never happen because DD and richards are untouchable and ducks fans love Bobby Ryan.

Why can't we all just be friends... o wait lol

But ducks fan, don't get butt hurt before the trade deadline if you see Ryan going somewhere else for some scrub and a 1st rounder :O

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I'm sure I could think of two clubs less likely to make a major trade with one another, but it would take me some time. That rivalry is up there. Can't see them swapping significant players.

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We won't get butt hurt by that because some scrub and a 1st doesn't make us better now. Do you really want to go into that again?

Value doesn't mean **** when a player doesn't have to be moved. In that circumstance, team needs triumph over value. I like JJ but he's not someone to do a Ryan deal around. No a JJ + pick won't get you Ryan, even away from these boards.

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For Doughty, we'd consider moving Ryan. For JMFJ, we key Deano's car.
You would 'consider' moving Bobby Ryan for Drew Doughty?


... because Bobby Ryan >>>>> Drew Doughty right?

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You would 'consider' moving Bobby Ryan for Drew Doughty?


... because Bobby Ryan >>>>> Drew Doughty right?
I'm not the one on trial here.

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I'm not the one on trial here.
Well with Doughty's current season, Ryan for him would be a steal

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Well with Doughty's current season, Ryan for him would be a steal
You are reading way too much into what I said.

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Neither team does it, leave it at that and close the thread.

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Wouldn't want Ryan @ that price.

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Neither team does it, leave it at that and close the thread.
This. This thread will go nowhere good. Let it die.

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Ya but Fowler doesn't continually make stupid ill timed pinches at the offensive blueline, nor turn the puck over when he's in possession of it in the D zone.

Jack is an all style, low substance player. very overrated.
I could not disagree more with you here. Johnson is pretty underrated, and would probably get more attention if he wasn't in Doughty's shadow. I think JJ would make the Ducks a better team, and would be a great help on the breakout. Right now I'd slot him ahead of Fowler on the depth chart, and Fowler is on the 1st pairing with Beauchemin, so that should say something.

Of course, Fowler has more upside right now. I sure wouldn't bet against him surpassing JJ sometime soon. That's why I'd always take Fowler over Johnson, but in terms of where they stand right now? I think Johnson is more polished, and the better player. It's not a big difference, but 5 extra years of development is no small thing.

The problem is that this deal is for Ryan, and that just doesn't fly. Anaheim doesn't need a player like Johnson badly enough to move Ryan for him. With Fowler and Sbisa, as well as Schultz and Vatanen in the pipeline, the Ducks shouldn't be moving a player like Ryan for a puck mover. That's a deal that would probably come back and bite them in the ass.

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Lol I thought /thread was pretty clear. It's never gonna happen.

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Is kyle palmieri ready for a top 6 role in the NHL?

Forbort+ for Palmieri?

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Is kyle palmieri ready for a top 6 role in the NHL?

Forbort+ for Palmieri?
Yeah cause we need D prospects over forwards since our whole 2nd line is going to be here for years to come.

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This thread is much tamer than I expected. We need a playoff series to fuel up this rivalry.

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This thread is much tamer than I expected. We need a playoff series to fuel up this rivalry.
The fanbases in this state tend to circle the wagons when people outside the division show up to tell us what our problems are and how to fix them. Don't worry, we still hate you.

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