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02-01-2012, 09:08 AM
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Assuming Pronger retires...



Erkhoff
Leino
Miller

for

Bryzgalov
Van Riemsdyk
1st Rounder

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Buffalo takes this and runs

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I'd rather ride out Leino's contract than Bryzgalov's.

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If Pronger actually retires, then we have $5m in deap cap space

who is Erkhoff anyways?

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If I could speak more than one language, I'd say "no" in every single one of them.

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No way from Philly's perspective.

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If I could speak more than one language, I'd say "no" in every single one of them.

English Version: NO
Nej, nyet, nein, nei, non are a few more I know.

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Assuming Pronger retires...



Erkhoff
Leino
Miller
K-Y JELLY

for

Bryzgalov
Van Riemsdyk
1st Rounder
That's better now.

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Heh! Thanks for the help!

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No way from Philly's perspective? They get to dump Bryz, get Leino back to a situation where he was much better, and get a real goalie, plus Erhoff to replace Pronger. JVR does not seem irreplaceable on that team to me, and the 1st will likely be fairly late. Just getting out from under Bryz's contract alone would be worth it, IMO.

Of course, for this reason I think Buffalo laughs at the offer. Bryz is untradeable I think. Maybe a team desperate for a goalie, like Columbus or Tampa would consider it, but most teams would stop the conversation once his name was mentioned. Just my opinion, of course.

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Buffalo takes this and runs
they definitely dont.

not touching a big long term contract like Byrzgalovs.

i would think philly would take this deal and run...

shows what i know...

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they definitely dont.

not touching a big long term contract like Byrzgalovs.
i would think philly would take this deal and run...

shows what i know...
Right because Ehrhoff is signed until 2021 plus Leino is signed for 5 more years.

Of course Bryzgalovs contract is the only problem here.

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No way from Philly's perspective? They get to dump Bryz, get Leino back to a situation where he was much better, and get a real goalie, plus Erhoff to replace Pronger. JVR does not seem irreplaceable on that team to me, and the 1st will likely be fairly late. Just getting out from under Bryz's contract alone would be worth it, IMO.

Of course, for this reason I think Buffalo laughs at the offer. Bryz is untradeable I think. Maybe a team desperate for a goalie, like Columbus or Tampa would consider it, but most teams would stop the conversation once his name was mentioned. Just my opinion, of course.
Dump Bryz for a goalie that's been equally bad this season makes no sense. Sure, his deal is up in a few years, by then Bryz really should've turned his game around. I'm one of his biggest bashers this season, but I fully believe he will play like a true number one rather sooner than later.
Leino back? Why? Could've kept him. Sure, if he could come back on a 900k deal I'd be all for it, but 4,5 for another 5 years? Yeah, no way.
Replacing Pronger with Ehrhoff isn't really an option either, Ehrhoff is not a D-man I'd trust as my number one when Kimmo retires in a year.
And givning up JVR and a 1st, too? Eh, no.

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they definitely dont.

not touching a big long term contract like Byrzgalovs.

i would think philly would take this deal and run...

shows what i know...
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Right because Ehrhoff is signed until 2021 plus Leino is signed for 5 more years.

Of course Bryzgalovs contract is the only problem here.
Ehrhoff @ $4M cap hit til 2021 & Leino @ $4.5M til 2017 are both favourable to Bryz at $5.6M until 2020 IMO - likely from Regier's POV as well....

JVR & a 1st would be really nice to have, but not if it means being (literally) stuck with that screwball between the pipes for the next 8-9 years... Gimme Miller any day!!!

Ehrhoff also has a NTC BTW....

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they definitely dont.

not touching a big long term contract like Byrzgalovs.

i would think philly would take this deal and run...

shows what i know...
We must be drinking the same thing this morning, because that was my thought as well -- both of Leino's and Ehrhoff's bonus payments have almost completely been paid, Miller's UFA in two years, leaving the Sabres with Bryz-screwball's contract forever and a day. No thanks.

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Ehrhoff @ $4M cap hit til 2021 & Leino @ $4.5M til 2017 are both favourable to Bryz at $5.6M until 2020 IMO - likely from Regier's POV as well...
We're not taking on two longterm contracts for one. The Bryz signing was foolish. Getting rid of that contract to take on two more foolish contracts is worse. If the Flyers wanted Leino they would have just paid the man. Not to mention that Ehrhoff isn't what we need.

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Right because Ehrhoff is signed until 2021 plus Leino is signed for 5 more years.

Of course Bryzgalovs contract is the only problem here.
Ehrhoff at a 4.0 cap is good value. He's a #2 defensemen.

Goalies are completely fickle... and having 1 locked in at top dollar for anything over a couple years is just bad... bryz also has a full NMC.

Leino is overpaid, and a bad contract... but bad goalie contracts are so much worse...

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We're not taking on two longterm contracts for one. The Bryz signing was foolish. Getting rid of that contract to take on two more foolish contracts is worse. If the Flyers wanted Leino they would have just paid the man. Not to mention that Ehrhoff isn't what we need.
there's nothing wrong with the Ehrhoff contract, it's a steal.

you can work around an overpaid winger on your roster

a bryzgalov/goalie contract cannot be worked around... it's those types of contracts that lead to teams needing to dismantle their depth.

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Ehrhoff at a 4.0 cap is good value. He's a #2 defensemen.
The cap value is good, the length of the contract is not. And I can assure you, not everyone thinks Ehrhoff is a #2 defenseman. I sure don't.

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Goalies are completely fickle... and having 1 locked in at top dollar for anything over a couple years is just bad... bryz also has a full NMC.
Foolish contact, no argument. Overreaction by our management.

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Leino is overpaid, and a bad contract... but bad goalie contracts are so much worse...
And the fact that goalies are so fickle, as you stated, could make this look good next season. HF Boards surely does have a "what have you done for me lately" outlook. Pretty much as fickle as the goalies themselves.

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there's nothing wrong with the Ehrhoff contract, it's a steal.
It's too long, especially if you don't believe Ehrhoff is a #2, which I don't.

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Well that's good. Buffalo shouldn't have any issues with Leino then.

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a bryzgalov/goalie contract cannot be worked around... it's those types of contracts that lead to teams needing to dismantle their depth.
I'm sure the Flyers are quaking in their skates at the though of it.

Look, Buffalo doesn't want this deal and neither does Philly. What's the problem?

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It's too long, especially if you don't believe Ehrhoff is a #2, which I don't.


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It's too long, especially if you don't believe Ehrhoff is a #2, which I don't.


Well that's good. Buffalo shouldn't have any issues with Leino then.


I'm sure the Flyers are quaking in their skates at the though of it.

Look, Buffalo doesn't want this deal and neither does Philly. What's the problem?
Whether you think he's a #2 or not, Ehrhoff is worth a 4 million dollar cap hit. 10 years is a long time, but he just came off a 50 point season. Gleason just signed for 4 million over 4 years, Kaberle makes over 4 millon, Paul Martin makes 5, Z. Michalek makes 4 - 4+ million dollar Dmen are becoming the standard for 2nd pairing guys. In the OP (which I wouldn't do from Philly's standpoint) Ehrhoff's contract isn't an issue.

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Whether you think he's a #2 or not, Ehrhoff is worth a 4 million dollar cap hit. 10 years is a long time, but he just came off a 50 point season. Gleason just signed for 4 million over 4 years, Kaberle makes over 4 millon, Paul Martin makes 5, Z. Michalek makes 4 - 4+ million dollar Dmen are becoming the standard for 2nd pairing guys. In the OP (which I wouldn't do from Philly's standpoint) Ehrhoff's contract isn't an issue.
I already said the cap hit was good, no argument. The length of term is not. He is not a #2 defenseman. He's a guy who has had his stats inflated by playing on Vancouver.

Ehrhoff is no more a #2 defenseman than Matt freaking Carle, and you don't give those types of players contracts of that length.

I'm not sure what we're arguing about. Buffalo doesn't like it, and neither does Philly. What exactly are you trying to convince me of?

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