HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Buffalo Sabres
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Is Enroth still a prospect?

View Poll Results: Should Enroth be considered a prospect?
Yes 5 15.15%
No 28 84.85%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-01-2012, 10:40 AM
  #1
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
Is Enroth still a prospect?

For the purpose of the Prospect Poll, should Enroth still be considered a prospect?

HF says a goaltender is still a prospect until he APPEARS in 45 games.
Enroth has APPEARED in 38.

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 10:45 AM
  #2
jBuds
pretty damn valuable
 
jBuds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NYC Suburbs
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 26,968
vCash: 500
No. As said in the other thread, he has established himself as a backup to Ryan Miller - on an NHL team - thus should be removed from consideration.

The criteria is always a bit bothersome.

jBuds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 10:48 AM
  #3
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
the criteria is silly, since a backup goaltender (behind a franchise guy) could very likely only see 10-15 appearances in a season. In which case, had Miller not gotten injured the last 2 seasons... Enroth could've conceivably been the back up for 3 years, and not reached the "HF Cutoff for goalie prospects. Even though he had an NHL job, NHL role, and spent 2-3 years on an NHL roster... he'd still be considered a prospect.

Better to use good judgement in this type of scenario... the criteria for skaters is fine... the criteria for goalies... not so good.

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 10:51 AM
  #4
OcAirlines
Registered User
 
OcAirlines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Country: Germany
Posts: 2,459
vCash: 500
Yes.

Calling a guy who wasn't even close to being a starter in the NHL so far in his career and who is only 23 years old an "established player" is just wrong.

OcAirlines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 10:52 AM
  #5
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OcAirlines View Post
Yes.
you forgot the "because HF said so"

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:17 AM
  #6
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
bump

mods : can you chime in before the #2 poll goes up?

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:19 AM
  #7
Afino
The Juice
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Orchard Park, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 20,771
vCash: 500
Wasn't Jimmy Howard a prospect for like 6 years?

Afino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:23 AM
  #8
BackGroundMusic
rebuildingeverywhere
 
BackGroundMusic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Country: Germany
Posts: 24,585
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigZackKassian View Post
Wasn't Jimmy Howard a prospect for like 6 years?
He was up for Calder when he Myers won, right? At age 25 or something?

BackGroundMusic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:28 AM
  #9
Woodhouse
Global Moderator
 
Woodhouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 7,581
vCash: 666
IMO, no. Enroth has dressed for ~100 games, while appearing in 38. He is the backup and will not return to the AHL.


Last edited by Woodhouse: 02-01-2012 at 12:34 PM.
Woodhouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:29 AM
  #10
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigZackKassian View Post
Wasn't Jimmy Howard a prospect for like 6 years?
Quote:
Originally Posted by iciclesonapapershelf View Post
He was up for Calder when he Myers won, right? At age 25 or something?
he was at Maine for 3 years, and was the starter in Grand Rapids for 3 years before the got the job in 09/10 in Detroit.

The difference being that Howard was in the minors for that duration, where as Enroth has graduated to an NHL job.

Another odd piece.... regarding Howard. He would no longer have been considered a prospect under HF's "25 yrs old" criteria, at the end of the 2009 season, at which time he had only appeared in 9 NHL games spread across 3 seasons...

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:36 AM
  #11
Afino
The Juice
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Orchard Park, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 20,771
vCash: 500
I guess that's what I was getting at. He doesn't fit the criteria of a "rookie" as currently states. I realize he spent a lot of time in the minors.

But is 38 games for Enroth over two years as a backup (and really, only when Miller has been hurt) really different than 9 over 3? Other than the obvious 29 game difference....is it REALLY a difference? Skill wise?

Afino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:38 AM
  #12
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigZackKassian View Post
I guess that's what I was getting at. He doesn't fit the criteria of a "rookie" as currently states. I realize he spent a lot of time in the minors.

But is 38 games for Enroth over two years as a backup (and really, only when Miller has been hurt) really different than 9 over 3? Other than the obvious 29 game difference....is it REALLY a difference? Skill wise?
is your question really about whether taking over for the injured franchise goaltender on TWO separate occassions, once helping to carry them to the playoffs.... is that different then starting 2-4 games a year over 3 years?

um... yea... i think it's a bit different.

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:41 AM
  #13
Chainshot
Global Moderator
Give 'em Enough Rope
 
Chainshot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Costa Rica
Country: Costa Rica
Posts: 56,595
vCash: 500
Awards:
It depends on who is running the poll. Zip started it, Ruckus is usually the guy running that show... guys? What say you?

__________________
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle
Chainshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:42 AM
  #14
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
Criteria for skaters? sure... everything is relatively equal...
Criteria for goalies? not a good idea...

Jonathan Bernier is still technically a prospect too... even though he hasn't spent a Day in the AHL since the end of the 09-10 season. He's 23 years old. And he's in his 2nd full season as a back up goaltender. He's appeared in 3 more games then Enroth

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 11:42 AM
  #15
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chainshot View Post
It depends on who is running the poll. Zip started it, Ruckus is usually the guy running that show... guys? What say you?
Im not trying to be an a$$. i'd like to see a more accurate poll, and the last time we did this, having Enroth in it kind of skewed things.

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 12:00 PM
  #16
jBuds
pretty damn valuable
 
jBuds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NYC Suburbs
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 26,968
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jame View Post
Im not trying to be an a$$. i'd like to see a more accurate poll, and the last time we did this, having Enroth in it kind of skewed things.
And having him in this time will do so even more.

Votes that would go to him by default could be divvied elsewhere.

So it's in the hands of Zip as to whether or not he runs it or passes it off to Ruck, who usually runs it - and whomever runs it, makes the choice of removing or keeping Jhonas.

Take Enroth off.

jBuds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 12:14 PM
  #17
Ruckus007
Said too much
 
Ruckus007's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Huntington, WV
Posts: 7,253
vCash: 500
IMO, depends (and I actually thought the cut-off was 40 games).

Does anybody think Enroth's going to get 7 more games the rest of this year barring injury? I would keep him on. Criteria exist for a reason.

The points made about dressing for ~100 games and Bernier being a full-time NHLer since 2010 are well taken though. Maybe an MLB service time type criteria would be better.

Ruckus007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 12:24 PM
  #18
stokes84
Registered User
 
stokes84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Charleston, SC
Country: United States
Posts: 6,806
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to stokes84
It will be unfortunate to see votes that would almost certainly go towards Mcnabb or Kassian for number 2 get thrown Enroths way.

stokes84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 01:16 PM
  #19
Hobey Baker
Registered User
 
Hobey Baker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Charlestown
Country: United States
Posts: 7,237
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Hobey Baker
Not that it applies here, but I try to draw a line at five post-draft years. This is Enroth's sixth (right? double check me). He's a fixture on the top club as it is so it's hard to consider him a "prospect". Just my .02.

(same with Persson)

Hobey Baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 01:29 PM
  #20
Zip15
Registered User
 
Zip15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 17,117
vCash: 50
If you guys want to shut down the voting for #2 until after the deadline, I have no problem with that. I didn't realize we usually did this post-trade deadline. Maybe that's because we're not usually acquiring prospects, I don't know. I jumped the gun. My fault.

Zip15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 01:33 PM
  #21
Jame
Dream '16
 
Jame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Country: Pitcairn Islands
Posts: 33,391
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip15 View Post
If you guys want to shut down the voting for #2 until after the deadline, I have no problem with that. I didn't realize we usually did this post-trade deadline. Maybe that's because we're not usually acquiring prospects, I don't know. I jumped the gun. My fault.
I'm good with going forward... but if the consensus is to wait, that's cool too...

(more time to prove Enroth shouldn't be involved )

Jame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 01:40 PM
  #22
thefifagod
I'm The Survivor
 
thefifagod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,043
vCash: 500
I would take Enroth off the list, as most have said it will skew the results. Even though he hasn't played 45 games, he's been up in the NHL for about 100 games which is enough for me to say he's not a prospect anymore.

thefifagod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 01:42 PM
  #23
Ruckus007
Said too much
 
Ruckus007's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Huntington, WV
Posts: 7,253
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip15 View Post
If you guys want to shut down the voting for #2 until after the deadline, I have no problem with that. I didn't realize we usually did this post-trade deadline. Maybe that's because we're not usually acquiring prospects, I don't know. I jumped the gun. My fault.

That'll probably look smart after the Armia for Suter trade that's bound to happen now...

Ruckus007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 01:50 PM
  #24
Zip15
Registered User
 
Zip15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 17,117
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruckus007 View Post
That'll probably look smart after the Armia for Suter trade that's bound to happen now...
Yeah, given that we're in a selling posture right now and may actually be acquiring prospects for the first time in awhile, it may just be best to wait until February 28 to get this up and going again. Plus, if Enroth is on the brink of 45, there may be more of a consensus that his 45th game is an inevitability this season, and, for that reason, he should be excluded from the vote.

Sorry for giving everyone prospect-voting blue*****.

Zip15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-01-2012, 01:50 PM
  #25
Rivet52
Sabres & Blackhawks
 
Rivet52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Buffalo, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 5,832
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Rivet52
No, I don't consider him one anymore. He's proven to be a capable and good NHL backup. There's no chance he sniffs the minors again. He's not a recall anymore. He made the team back in September and has been one of the two goalies on our roster for the full year so far.

A guy like Richard Bachman in Dallas, however, is still considered a prospect in my mind.

Rivet52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:29 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.