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Artem Anisimov, Christian Thomas and the NYR 2012 1st round pick

Anisimov has had a rough stretch in the last 15+ games and is still on pace for 37 points. Not the greatest, but the Rangers do not play a system where anyone is really going to stand out scoring wise.

I believe in a less constricted system, we would see Anisimov regularly in the 45+ point range.

With that said, what do you realistically think the above package could fetch right now?

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Anisimovs a keeper

We have too see Thomas in action before anything but probably alot of value

Our first pick is open for a good new player at the moment

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Anisimovs a keeper

We have too see Thomas in action before anything but probably alot of value

Our first pick is open for a good new player at the moment
Trading a first is stupid especially if it's for a rental.. this ain't the Red Wings where they can trade a first because they always find great players in the late rounds...Rangers are more than one player away from the Cup...

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I'm not really sure what the Rags would be looking for, by looking at your roster maybe a top 6 forward upgrade and a PP specialist Dman?

Would the Rangers be interested in Morrow and Souray for Anisimov, Thomas, 1st?

I'm not a Stars fan so I don't know what they think of a deal like that. I see it breaking down as Anisimov+ for Morrow, and Thomas+ for Souray, the 2 +'s make up the 1st.

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I'm not really sure what the Rags would be looking for, by looking at your roster maybe a top 6 forward upgrade and a PP specialist Dman?

Would the Rangers be interested in Morrow and Souray for Anisimov, Thomas, 1st?

I'm not a Stars fan so I don't know what they think of a deal like that. I see it breaking down as Anisimov+ for Morrow, and Thomas+ for Souray, the 2 +'s make up the 1st.
Won't be trading that package for rentals.

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Won't be trading that package for rentals.
Souray is a rental, Morrow is signed through next year I believe

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This is a good offer for a team that needs a lot of young forwards, and maybe has someone on the verge of doing great things, but isn't quite there yet. I'm thinking of the Neal trade. You should probably clip Thomas off though, since he's not going to draw much value till he hits some level of pro-hockey; just the curse of being an undersized prospect.

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I don't get moving AA now? Number 1, his value is low. But the reason behind it sucks. Stepan obviously has surpassed everyone in our system on the depth chart. He's a number 1 center, and whether he struggles some or not, he's a 1C.

But AA, although struggling to score right now, isn't being helped by being dragged up and down the line-up. Centering for 4th lines, left wing on the first, center for the third. Torts is so busy protecting Brad Richards and the miserable hockey he's playing right now, that AA is getting the shaft hardcore. Richards completed 3 of 12 passes last night. ALl three of them were very short (under 6 ft passes near the blue-line or along the boards. only 2 in the offensive zone). His game is way off. Dubi and Cally create plays and situations that are dying on Richards stick right now, hopefully that changes, but either way Torts has AA available to jump between Cally and DUbi. The player that has been between both of them for their career seasons so far, and he is willing to move everyone else but Richards.

AA has not played a poor shift in his own zone all season. He doesn't get out worked on the ice. He doesn't forget to back-check. He doesn't lose pucks along the boards on offense or defense. When he has the puck in the offensive zone, he has excellent hands, and a great passing touch. The one complaint with his game, is his toe-drag curled wrister. It's an awesome weapon for a player to develop, as it changes the angle of the shot and is deceptive coming through a screen, but he tries it way to much. WHy? Because he's always face-to-face with a defender and trying to use the screen. I think he's become gun shy of making a move to get around the d, and risking not getting the puck deep.

NYR fans keep throwing AA into trade proposals and his value right now is nothing. We're giving up the best player in 99% of these trades and people think that makes perfects sense. He has better hands than almost everyone you guys keep trying to ship him off for. He's a monster of a two way player compared to any of these possible rentals.

Just stop. We don't need to lose a full tooled (skating, shooting, passing, physical) player that comes to camp in impressive shape, obviously works hard as hell, plays both PP and PK, and is still growing into his game and body.

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I only trade Anisimov if it's for an upgrade. I still think there's too much potential there. He needs to be back with Stepan and Gaborik, and Hagelin should not be on the top line. Not skilled or consistent enough offensively to justify giving him those minutes.

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I only trade Anisimov if it's for an upgrade. I still think there's too much potential there. He needs to be back with Stepan and Gaborik, and Hagelin should not be on the top line. Not skilled or consistent enough offensively to justify giving him those minutes.
Ditto as to underline, and let me expand to say even if we gotta add, I'd prefer that to be a substantial upgrade.

As to balance, this system subverts his offensive game, which gets jerked around from line to line.
I'm not saying you're wrong here, but his results are a byproduct of that environment. However he does have the physical attributes, decent size, decent speed, good strength, hard shot, to do well offensively. Not world class sniper well. But well at NHL level.

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Why. His value is at an all time low. I don't know what the obsession is with dumping Thomas either.

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Anisimov could still be a 50 point center on a team that plays a different style. While the Rangers have a very good record right now, we're a team that consistently struggles to score, has no PP to speak of and bounces all but our most proven players up and down the line-up nightly. On a different club, AA could easily be on pace for 45 points this year (he still may hit 40 anyways) and could easily prove to be a 50+ point player with decent two-awareness.

Thomas is an unknown quantity with decent upside. I'd call him a high-B prospect. Our 1st will probably be in the 22-29 range.

That package; a proven young player with upside, a high B prospect and a late 1st, should probably be enough to get us a decent return. I would take a long look at a guy like Morrow + 2nd or something. Morrow still has term left on his contract, played with Richards some in Dallas and probably wants to win. He would go a decent ways towards making us that much more competitive. What we really need is an offensive catalyst who can create some chances and help get the PP going. Not sure what's "available" in that ilk, but chances are it would cost us this package or more.

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i think some people undervalue this package. Anisimov has played a lot on the 4th line. On any other team he would be a second line guy at least potting 40+ points consistently. Thomas can turn out to be a solid second line player as well and is one of our best prospects. throw in a first and there should be a hefty return coming back.

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Anisimov could still be a 50 point center on a team that plays a different style. While the Rangers have a very good record right now, we're a team that consistently struggles to score, has no PP to speak of and bounces all but our most proven players up and down the line-up nightly. On a different club, AA could easily be on pace for 45 points this year (he still may hit 40 anyways) and could easily prove to be a 50+ point player with decent two-awareness.

Thomas is an unknown quantity with decent upside. I'd call him a high-B prospect. Our 1st will probably be in the 22-29 range.

That package; a proven young player with upside, a high B prospect and a late 1st, should probably be enough to get us a decent return. I would take a long look at a guy like Morrow + 2nd or something. Morrow still has term left on his contract, played with Richards some in Dallas and probably wants to win. He would go a decent ways towards making us that much more competitive. What we really need is an offensive catalyst who can create some chances and help get the PP going. Not sure what's "available" in that ilk, but chances are it would cost us this package or more.
Morrow would be a disaster. He has 1 year left after this and is clearly on the decline IMO. GIANT nty.

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Why. His value is at an all time low. I don't know what the obsession is with dumping Thomas either.
Who says is value is at an all time low? Unlike the majority of this board, GM's and professional scouts are able to look beyond a recent slump by a player and see the bigger picture.

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Who says is value is at an all time low? Unlike the majority of this board, GM's and professional scouts are able to look beyond a recent slump by a player and see the bigger picture.

Saying his value is at an all time low doesn't mean he has none or that he has topped out as a player. I know that is the general consensus for what an "all time low" on these boards means, but that is not what I am saying. After an okay rookie year and a solid year last year how is it not at an all time low? He looked as if he was going to significantly produce more than last year. Now he will be lucky to match those #s. 16 games is more then a minor funk.

Gm's can see the bigger picture? Sather did a great job seeing the "bigger picture" with a slumping Wolski, or an enigmatic Zherdev. I agree that Gm's/Scouts are able to see past a recent slump of a player some times, but not all the time.

I see the bigger picture. Which is why I don't agree with shipping him off now. I especially don't agree with trading Thomas either.

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I don't get moving AA now? Number 1, his value is low. But the reason behind it sucks. Stepan obviously has surpassed everyone in our system on the depth chart. He's a number 1 center, and whether he struggles some or not, he's a 1C.

But AA, although struggling to score right now, isn't being helped by being dragged up and down the line-up. Centering for 4th lines, left wing on the first, center for the third. Torts is so busy protecting Brad Richards and the miserable hockey he's playing right now, that AA is getting the shaft hardcore. Richards completed 3 of 12 passes last night. ALl three of them were very short (under 6 ft passes near the blue-line or along the boards. only 2 in the offensive zone). His game is way off. Dubi and Cally create plays and situations that are dying on Richards stick right now, hopefully that changes, but either way Torts has AA available to jump between Cally and DUbi. The player that has been between both of them for their career seasons so far, and he is willing to move everyone else but Richards.

AA has not played a poor shift in his own zone all season. He doesn't get out worked on the ice. He doesn't forget to back-check. He doesn't lose pucks along the boards on offense or defense. When he has the puck in the offensive zone, he has excellent hands, and a great passing touch. The one complaint with his game, is his toe-drag curled wrister. It's an awesome weapon for a player to develop, as it changes the angle of the shot and is deceptive coming through a screen, but he tries it way to much. WHy? Because he's always face-to-face with a defender and trying to use the screen. I think he's become gun shy of making a move to get around the d, and risking not getting the puck deep.

NYR fans keep throwing AA into trade proposals and his value right now is nothing. We're giving up the best player in 99% of these trades and people think that makes perfects sense. He has better hands than almost everyone you guys keep trying to ship him off for. He's a monster of a two way player compared to any of these possible rentals.

Just stop. We don't need to lose a full tooled (skating, shooting, passing, physical) player that comes to camp in impressive shape, obviously works hard as hell, plays both PP and PK, and is still growing into his game and body.
In 99% of the trades i've seen, the Rangers are swapping AA for a far more productive and established player. AA has become the new Ryder + Halak + 2nd all packaged into 1.

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Who says is value is at an all time low? Unlike the majority of this board, GM's and professional scouts are able to look beyond a recent slump by a player and see the bigger picture.
Generalizing. Explain to me Mike Milbury's bigger picture.

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Anisimov could still be a 50 point center on a team that plays a different style. While the Rangers have a very good record right now, we're a team that consistently struggles to score, has no PP to speak of and bounces all but our most proven players up and down the line-up nightly. On a different club, AA could easily be on pace for 45 points this year (he still may hit 40 anyways) and could easily prove to be a 50+ point player with decent two-awareness.

Thomas is an unknown quantity with decent upside. I'd call him a high-B prospect. Our 1st will probably be in the 22-29 range.

That package; a proven young player with upside, a high B prospect and a late 1st, should probably be enough to get us a decent return. I would take a long look at a guy like Morrow + 2nd or something. Morrow still has term left on his contract, played with Richards some in Dallas and probably wants to win. He would go a decent ways towards making us that much more competitive. What we really need is an offensive catalyst who can create some chances and help get the PP going. Not sure what's "available" in that ilk, but chances are it would cost us this package or more.
Similarly, Anisimov could be a 20pt center on a team that plays a more defensive style. (like the Habs / Blues etc.). As it stands, Anisimov has been very expendable as seen by the kazillion proposals he is in by NYR fans.

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Similarly, Anisimov could be a 20pt center on a team that plays a more defensive style. (like the Habs / Blues etc.). As it stands, Anisimov has been very expendable as seen by the kazillion proposals he is in by NYR fans.
He's in a zillion proposals because the Rangers want to ad a piece for a playoff run and he's one of the only pieces WITH VALUE that we can see moving without damaging the current roster. Those teams barely play more defensive systems than the Rangers do. There isn't a team out there whose system is defensive enough to turn AA into a 20 point player. He put up 44 points last year and should be right around 40 by the end of this year and this is just his third season. He will likely end up being a 50+ point player for us, there's just a greater likelihood of him reaching/surpassing that eventuality on a team that's not as inconsistent and grinding as the Rangers.

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He's in a zillion proposals because the Rangers want to ad a piece for a playoff run and he's one of the only pieces WITH VALUE that we can see moving without damaging the current roster. Those teams barely play more defensive systems than the Rangers do. There isn't a team out there whose system is defensive enough to turn AA into a 20 point player. He put up 44 points last year and should be right around 40 by the end of this year and this is just his third season. He will likely end up being a 50+ point player for us, there's just a greater likelihood of him reaching/surpassing that eventuality on a team that's not as inconsistent and grinding as the Rangers.
He's on pace for less than 40 points. I think the Blues could turn AA into a 20 point player. Currently, Berglund and Stewart are on pace for less than 40 points this season. Chris Stewart in particular when from a 64 pt player (in 77 games) with the Avs to being on pace for under 35 points this season on the Blues. AA would be hangin around 20 in that system.

But with that said, i don't buy your assessment of AA as a 50+ point player. He's turning 24 in May and has had 1 season over 40 pts while this season he has regressed. He's basically a 3rd line centerman with size but no grit. I'd offer a 2nd round pick at the most.

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He's on pace for less than 40 points. I think the Blues could turn AA into a 20 point player. Currently, Berglund and Stewart are on pace for less than 40 points this season. Chris Stewart in particular when from a 64 pt player (in 77 games) with the Avs to being on pace for under 35 points this season on the Blues. AA would be hangin around 20 in that system.

But with that said, i don't buy your assessment of AA as a 50+ point player. He's turning 24 in May and has had 1 season over 40 pts while this season he has regressed. He's basically a 3rd line centerman with size but no grit. I'd offer a 2nd round pick at the most.
Yes, his second season which happened to be last year. If he was in his 5th season then I could buy that logic. As it stands he is still somewhat of an unknown.

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In 99% of the trades i've seen, the Rangers are swapping AA for a far more productive and established player. AA has become the new Ryder + Halak + 2nd all packaged into 1.
Not even close to Ryder Halak and a 2nd.

Not all of us want to get rid of him. Just the same few who make 14 different proposals each day with the same player to a different team.

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Yes, his second season which happened to be last year. If he was in his 5th season then I could buy that logic. As it stands he is still somewhat of an unknown.
I agree with you that he is still an unknown commodity which is why its too early to be making claims that he will be a 50+ pt player. That's the point i was trying to make to the other poster. Its just as easy to predict that AA will be a 30 pt 3rd liner as it is to predict he will be a 50+ pts second liner. Currently he's mired in a horrible slump and relegated tot he 4th line.

As it stands, his value is at an all-time low. Best to hold onto him.


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From the Avalanche, what about something like David Jones for Anisimov? Add a pick from the Avs if needed.

Jones scored 27 goals last year, but is having a rough season in Joe Sacco's dump and chase system. A change of scenery could be what he needs. And he'd add another right hand shot to your lineup.

Anisimov gives the Avs another 2nd/3rd line C who can play the wing and has shown a bit of a scoring touch.

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