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02-23-2012, 11:23 AM
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I don't trust Ellis to take a regular shift in the playoffs. If he's in the lineup, it should be as 7th d-man\PP specialist.

His ES play has been good, but not great, and he's been pushed around a bit in the defensive zone. Too risky to have Ellis\Cube caught out due to last change against Kesler or Backes.
While I get that, what more can you ask of Ellis? 9 points in 21 games, a +8 rating and 2 GWG... people have complained about the power play for years and now we have a guy who is really good at that besides weber and suddenly we want to send him down? Are you kidding me?

Who are we possibly going to waste assets on to fill Ellis' spot when we have a bigger need at forward?

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02-23-2012, 11:36 AM
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I don't Hemsky gets Suter and Weber jumping up and down either.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of hearing about what will make S&W stay. They've both been offered good/great money, the team is constantly winning and/or competing with the best teams in hockey, in the toughest division in the NHL. If S&W decide to go, it's because they didn't want to be here any longer. Plain and simple. It's their right to do so. I'll be glad when those two have done whatever it is they are going to do.
agreed, let's focus on the team that wants to be here and play.

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02-23-2012, 11:46 AM
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Good post. I agree completely. Not to spin this thread in another direction, but this is how I feel going into the offseason with Weber as well. If he's still not wanting to commit to a long-term contract, I'm putting him on the block.



Rookies generally burn out quickly. Even the great Josi makes me nervous heading into the playoffs. IMO, the almost daily grind will wear on these kids quickly. So yes, I believe your favorite player, Klein, has a better chance at getting us deeper into the playoffs.
ooook you will be the same person ready to get rid of Klein after he makes one of his many mistakes and costs us the playoffs.

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02-23-2012, 11:47 AM
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While I get that, what more can you ask of Ellis? 9 points in 21 games, a +8 rating and 2 GWG... people have complained about the power play for years and now we have a guy who is really good at that besides weber and suddenly we want to send him down? Are you kidding me?

Who are we possibly going to waste assets on to fill Ellis' spot when we have a bigger need at forward?
No need to fill Ellis' spot. We can run with Weber, Suter, Klein, Josi, Bouillon, and Gill as our six defensemen with Hillen being the seventh. That's not a bad blueline.

While Ellis is a great player, he is not the reason our PP has been great this year. I don't think we see much of a drop off if we send him down. If the biggest issue we have on the blueline is having two defensemen on the third pairing who belong on the third pairing then I'm ok with it. Get Ellis some playing time in Milwaukee. He can use his experience from this season to hit the ground running in October.

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02-23-2012, 11:51 AM
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Too risky to have Ellis\Cube caught out due to last change against Kesler or Backes.
Then it's a good thing Ellis wouldn't be out there with Bouillon.

Klein/Bouillon will kill us in the playoffs. Neither of those guys can move the puck. We need somebody that knows how to lead the breakout on the third pairing or we're going to have quite a few long shifts when that unit is on the ice. I'm not sure that player is going to be available at the deadline. He certainly won't be available at a price we can pay and still be in the market for offense. Ellis might be the closest thing we can get.

Trotz had enough faith to put Franson out there for 13 MPG at even strength last year and give him tons of second unit power play time. I don't see why he'd be suddenly so concerned with Ellis, who has been just as good as, if not better than, Franson was last year.

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02-23-2012, 11:53 AM
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Then it's a good thing Ellis wouldn't be out there with Bouillon.

Klein/Bouillon will kill us in the playoffs. Neither of those guys can move the puck. We need somebody that knows how to lead the breakout on the third pairing or we're going to have quite a few long shifts when that unit is on the ice. I'm not sure that player is going to be available at the deadline. He certainly won't be available at a price we can pay and still be in the market for offense. Ellis might be the closest thing we can get.

Trotz had enough faith to put Franson out there for 13 MPG at even strength last year and give him tons of second unit power play time. I don't see why he'd be suddenly so concerned with Ellis, who has been just as good as, if not better than, Franson was last year.
Klein/Bouillon just look so awkward/lost out there together to me?

I actually liked Klein/Josi

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I'd prefer Klein with Ellis instead of Boullion. Boullion really doesn't bring anything other then experience to the table.

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No question Ellis would likely benefit most playing quality minutes in the AHL. Question is, will the team benefit more having him on the expanded roster going into the playoffs?
Ellis is certainly a better pro D man than Franson already. I'll admit his progression has pleasantly surprised me this year. Not just an offensive dynamo.

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Is it just me or is Klein kind of weak no matter who he plays with?

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02-23-2012, 11:57 AM
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No need to fill Ellis' spot. We can run with Weber, Suter, Klein, Josi, Bouillon, and Gill as our six defensemen with Hillen being the seventh. That's not a bad blueline.

While Ellis is a great player, he is not the reason our PP has been great this year. I don't think we see much of a drop off if we send him down. If the biggest issue we have on the blueline is having two defensemen on the third pairing who belong on the third pairing then I'm ok with it. Get Ellis some playing time in Milwaukee. He can use his experience from this season to hit the ground running in October.
Ellis is a better player than Bouillon and sometimes better than Klein defensively. One of Bouillon or Hillen needs to be moved for a draft pick. The team benefits more from having Ellis up than having him down.

I mean really. He has 9 points in 21 games as a defensman it isn't like he is -11 like a certain other defenseman that gets too much praise around here.

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02-23-2012, 11:58 AM
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Playoff lineup

Weber/Suter
Josi/Gill
Klein/Ellis

Rotate Gill and Klein for correct time on ice.
PP1-Weber/Suter
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Is it just me or is Klein kind of weak no matter who he plays with?
Not just you.

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Ellis is a better player than Bouillon and sometimes better than Klein defensively. One of Bouillon or Hillen needs to be moved for a draft pick. The team benefits more from having Ellis up than having him down.

I mean really. He has 9 points in 21 games as a defensman it isn't like he is -11 like a certain other defenseman that gets too much praise around here.
Exactly on the last sentence. We have an obvious stud who is oozing with talent. Instead of giving the kid a chance to get playoff time and see if he blossums in the limelight, they want him to sit in the AHL. Insane.

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You guys are getting way off base with this thread but it's pretty simple. If Trotz thinks the Preds are a better team with Ellis playing then he'll be playing come playoff time. If he doesn't he'll be sent down.

Back to the trade talk...

I would prefer that the Preds target AK. I'm assuming he will cost less than Hemsky and has a possibility of re-signing if things work out. Plus, while the Preds are not an offensive powerhouse, they are the kind of team who can hold teams to just a couple goals a game and still win. I don't think we absolutely have to have an offensive dynamo to go deep in the playoffs. They've been beating these types of teams all year and just did it the other night against Vancouver.

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02-23-2012, 01:04 PM
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Just saw on twitter that JF Chaumont of radio-canada quotes AK as saying, "I don't want to play for the Preds."
Just wanted to throw it out there.
I can't vouch for the credibility of the source, but he (the person who posted the quote from Chaumont) has been saying it has been down to preds and one other team in negotiations for AK 46 for a couple days now.

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Just saw on twitter that JF Chaumont of radio-canada quotes AK as saying, "I don't want to play for the Preds."
Just wanted to throw it out there.
I can't vouch for the credibility of the source, but he has been saying it has been down to preds and one other team in negotiations for AK 46 for a couple days now.
Wow. Alright then. Screw him, he can stay in Montreal. No reason to trade for a rental who doesn't want to be here.

And now we are back to Hemsky. Sigh.

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good i dont want AK

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good i dont want AK
Who do you want?

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A recent clarification of the AK quote that I just posted was just made. "It is not that he hates Nashville, he just doesn't want to leave Montreal."
He goes on to say that other "sources" have said that Nashville is his #1 choice if a extension can't be worked out with Montreal.

So we are back to about the same as before....Sorry for the interuption.
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Just saw on twitter that JF Chaumont of radio-canada quotes AK as saying, "I don't want to play for the Preds."
Just wanted to throw it out there.
I can't vouch for the credibility of the source, but he (the person who posted the quote from Chaumont) has been saying it has been down to preds and one other team in negotiations for AK 46 for a couple days now.
The one posting the quote is Creasy, who is a known fraud\liar.

Not saying AK is my first choice, but I wouldn't put much into this.

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Playoff lineup

Weber/Suter
Josi/Gill
Klein/Ellis

Rotate Gill and Klein for correct time on ice.
PP1-Weber/Suter
PP2 Ellis/Josi
That's how I'd set it up aswell. Klein and Blum seemed to gel very well in the playoffs with Blum being the one to jump into the play down low if necessary. I think Ellis can fill the same role quite well. His offensive instincts alone should be enough to keep him in the lineup.

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The one posting the quote is Creasy, who is a known fraud\liar.

Not saying AK is my first choice, but I wouldn't put much into this.
Agreed. Wouldn't put too much stock into that particular quote. Either way I still don't think it would be the best fit. Even though he's soft, Roy would be an intriguing acquisition. The options are dwindling that's for sure.

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Just saw on twitter that JF Chaumont of radio-canada quotes AK as saying, "I don't want to play for the Preds."
Just wanted to throw it out there.
I can't vouch for the credibility of the source, but he (the person who posted the quote from Chaumont) has been saying it has been down to preds and one other team in negotiations for AK 46 for a couple days now.
if he doesnt have NTC he wouldnt have much choice

even if he didnt want to come, I cant imagine him tanking because he will still need a contract next summer.

edit: see now that its a possibly unreliable source.... I just want 2pm monday to hurry up so we can know what we will be taking into the postseason...

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I'm really curious what kind of offer Edmonton wants/we would give for Hemsky. He's not a bad option when healthy, but he isn't a guy worth giving up a lot to get. I'm not really excited or upset about him....just apathetic. I want to know what the asking price is.

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I honestly just think if we can't get Roy, Nash, Carter, vanek, stastny, gagner, ribeiro, parise or hemsky for cheap then I say we don't give up any assets and just go with what we have.

I don't feel we need anyone else outside of those above mentioned names/caliber of player.

A first round pick in this deep draft could be a huge loss for us if its dealt, not to mention any other assets along with it. Not worth dealing any of that unless it's above mentioned type players.

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I'm really curious what kind of offer Edmonton wants/we would give for Hemsky. He's not a bad option when healthy, but he isn't a guy worth giving up a lot to get. I'm not really excited or upset about him....just apathetic. I want to know what the asking price is.
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I honestly just think if we can't get Roy, Nash, Carter, vanek, stastny, gagner, ribeiro, parise or hemsky for cheap then I say we don't give up any assets and just go with what we have.

I don't feel we need anyone else outside of those above mentioned names/caliber of player.

A first round pick in this deep draft could be a huge loss for us if its dealt, not to mention any other assets along with it. Not worth dealing any of that unless it's above mentioned type players.

a 1st where we would be picking would usually be a player 3 years removed from any pro action... I wouldnt throw it away on crap but I also wouldnt hold onto it if a decent rental is available

as far as EDM and hemsky, Im thinking the asking price remains high right now but if a couple of other teams fill their rental need elsewhere the price could drop by Monday...

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