in the interest of the rest of the regular season, with a tough schedule, gill would be a last resort for me. he does have a reputation for going into beastmode in the playoffs, but he also has a reputation for having inexplicably average\poor regular season showings.
I think it's a fair tradeoff. Plus, the preds system will only benefit him. He's not a good skater at all, slow actually, but when he's in beastmode, his reach seems to span across the rink.
I think it's a fair tradeoff. Plus, the preds system will only benefit him. He's not a good skater at all, slow actually, but when he's in beastmode, his reach seems to span across the rink.
Agreed. Plus, with Weber/Suter getting at least 25 mins a night, Gill (or any bottom pairing D) would only see 10-12.
If we're bringing in a guy like Nash, Carter, or Staal (doubtful he moves, but for illustrative point) we're going to give up at least one current roster player besides Lindback. Guys like that are going to cost at least one of SK/Horn/Ellis + Lindback + picks and maybe Blum as well. Those are all star players on longterm deals, not rentals with a high risk of bolting on 1 Jul.
If we're bringing in a guy like Nash, Carter, or Staal (doubtful he moves, but for illustrative point) we're going to give up at least one current roster player besides Lindback. Guys like that are going to cost at least one of SK/Horn/Ellis + Lindback + picks and maybe Blum as well. Those are all star players on longterm deals, not rentals with a high risk of bolting on 1 Jul.
i would happily include anyone not named Suter\Weber\Rinne for Nash, and the list of exclusions for Carter doesn't get much bigger.
If we have a 7 million dollar forward added we can part with SK.
Especially if we also have Rads on the way
Depends who that 7 million dollar forward is. If it's Parise, Hornqvist should be the odd man out. Parise is Hornqvist with skill. SK sees the ice better than anyone except for maybe Wilson. I don't see trading a good piece for a better piece. SK is part of the reason we are where we are. Add to him instead of replace him. It would be nice to have a group of 6-8 guys that could net in the 40-60 point range a year.
If Rads is on the way, you still have to have someone to get the puck to these sorts of guys. SK and Wilson would be extremely valuable on different lines.
Depends who that 7 million dollar forward is. If it's Parise, Hornqvist should be the odd man out. Parise is Hornqvist with skill. SK sees the ice better than anyone except for maybe Wilson. I don't see trading a good piece for a better piece. SK is part of the reason we are where we are. Add to him instead of replace him. It would be nice to have a group of 6-8 guys that could net in the 40-60 point range a year.
If Rads is on the way, you still have to have someone to get the puck to these sorts of guys. SK and Wilson would be extremely valuable on different lines.
Sk is too soft and he won't shoot most of the time. Just like the last game they had 3 odd man breaks and they overpassed on all of them. If Sk wasn't on this team we would still be a good team.
Sk is too soft and he won't shoot most of the time. Just like the last game they had 3 odd man breaks and they overpassed on all of them. If Sk wasn't on this team we would still be a good team.
I'm ok if he doesn't shoot. He passes better than anyone who isn't Wilson. You have to have guys set other guys up. Does Fisher score without the pass from SK the other night? While he may not shoot much, his skill set is harder to replace. Both guys are valuable to us.
Ultimately, if we made a play for Carter, I'd put Erat and SK on his wings. Two good setup guys. I'd bump Fisher to the 3rd line to play with Spaling and Tootoo. Leave the Legwand line alone. That's a tough top 9 to play against. On top of it we'd have our 4th line guys who can do some damage as well.
He's having a horrible season and would be a great buy low candidate. There is some downside though. Will he pick it up when he came to a contender? He is also a smaller guy and he makes quite a bit of money next year which is also the last year of his contract.
Upside? He is very skilled and has been pretty consistent from a production stand point his whole career.
well this is my yearly deadline write up so ill post it here.
Erat, Martin -Legwand, David - Hornqvist, Patric
Kostitsyn, Sergei- Fisher, Mike - Wilson, Colin
Halischuk, Matt -Spaling, Nick - Smith, Craig
Tootoo, Jordin- Smithson, Jerred- Yip, Brandon/Bourque, Gabriel
McGrattan, Brian/Geoffrion, Blake
Weber, Shea - Suter, Ryan
Klein, Kevin-Josi, Roman
Ellis, Ryan - Bouillon, Francis
Blum, Jonathon/Hillen, Jack
Rinne, Pekka
Lindback, Anders/ Smith, Jeremy
Cap space= Wont be a problem
Needing-
goals- no player in top 70
Big Def D- pk- 15th 82%, shots against / game 21st- 31/g
Now we need to look at the sellers for the sake of this im going to only include players that are non "blockbuster hockey trades" aka Ryan, Nash ext..
Anaheim Ducks
possable players
F Jason Blake UFA
D Sheldon Brookbank UFA
F Saku Koivu UFA
Buffalo Sabres
Possable players
F Brad Boyes UFA
F Jochen Hecht UFA
F Paul Gaustad UFA
D Jordan Leopold 1 year 3mill
Calgary Flames (dont think they will be selling)
Possable players
F Olli Jokinen UFA
F Lee Stempniak UFA
D Cory Sarich UFA
D Scott Hannan UFA
Carolina Hurricanes
Possable players
F Tuomo Ruutu UFA
F Jussi Jokinen 2 Years 3 mill
F Chad LaRose 1 year 1.7
D Bryan Allen UFA
D Jay Harrison 1 year 700k
Colorado Avalanche (dont think they will sell)
possable players
F David Jones UFA
F Peter Mueller RFA
F Jay McClement UFA
F Chuck Kobasew 1 year 1.25
D Matt Hunwick UFA
D Shane O'Brien UFA
Columbus Blue Jackets
Possable players
F Kristian Huselius UFA
F Samuel Pahlsson UFA
F Vaclav Prospal
D Radek Martinek
Edmonton Oilers
Possable players
F Ryan Smyth UFA
F Ales Hemsky UFA
F Eric Belanger 2 years 1.75mill
D Andy Sutton UFA
D Cameron Barker RFA
Montreal Canadiens
Possable players
F Andrei Kostitsyn UFA
F Travis Moen UFA
D Hal Gill UFA
D Chris Campoli UFA
New York Islanders
Possable players
F Brian Rolston UFA
F Jay Pandolfo UFA
F Marty Reasoner 1 year 1.35
F Pierre Parenteau UFA
F Frans Nielsen UFA
D Mark Eaton UFA
D Milan Jurcina UFA
D Steve Staios UFA
Tampa Bay Lightning (dont think they will sell)
F Ted Purcell 1 year 2.35
F Steve Downie RFA
F Dominic Moore UFA
D Pavel Kubina UFA
D Brett Clark UFA
Winnipeg Jets (dont think the will sell)
Possable players
F Nik Antropov 1 year 4.1
F Kyle Wellwood UFA
D Johnny Oduya UFA
So just going by past years and what I think Poile will do and well some things id like to see target are.
Brad Boyes- just got a feeling Poile will at least look at him
Aprox cost- 3rd+ long shot prospect mayb still a 2nd?
Jordan Leopold - good player on both ends of the puck think he will work well in our system
Aprox cost- 2nd + B prospect
Olli Jokinen- Think Cal will do all they can to make a push but if he is out there could be a nice little pick up.
Aprox cost- late 1st
Cory Sarich OR Scott Hannan- think both would help the pk and add more then Hillen/ Bouillon can
Aprox cost- 4th + mayb a 3rd
Tuomo Ruutu- kinda seems like an easy pick up. plays a good preds game
Aprox cost- 1st + dont think id pay it but some team will
Bryan Allen- just what we need for our 3rd pairing imo
Aprox cost 3rd + mayb 2nd
Kristian Huselius- see Brad Boyes.
Samuel Pahlsson- good player to have for playoff time will help the pk.
Aprox Cost- 3rd +
Vaclav Prospal- This is the one id bet money poile trys hardest for. not because hes the answer to our offense but bc its a Poile move
Aprox cost- 3rd + mayb 2nd
Ales Hemsky- id rather pass but he has skill
Aprox cost- 1st +
Andy Sutton- would be ok on our 3rd pairing.
Aprox value- 3rd
Andrei Kostitsyn- has to be said. again id rather pass
Aprox Value- 1st +
Travis Moen- see Samuel Pahlsson
Hal Gill- To me the D we should be looking at. will do wonders for our pk and good shut down D
Aprox cost- 3rd + mayb 2nd
Pavel Kubina- Id take a chance on him has the playoff experience.
Aprox value 3rd +
Speaking just for the Jackets players listed there... Martinek is out for the year with post-concussion symptoms, and we're reasonably certain Huselius won't be back anytime soon either.
Also, we're trying to create an insane bidding war for Prospal if we can get away with it. Like, "let's see if we can get a 1st out of someone" insane. A 3rd simply won't cut it at all.
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Speaking just for the Jackets players listed there... Martinek is out for the year with post-concussion symptoms, and we're reasonably certain Huselius won't be back anytime soon either.
Also, we're trying to create an insane bidding war for Prospal if we can get away with it. Like, "let's see if we can get a 1st out of someone" insane. A 3rd simply won't cut it at all.
yah the injury's for some players will be a factor here as im not sure about time frame of some of them. I cant see a first for Prospal. he is a player that was bought out and not many teams showed allot of interest in him as a ufa. In a deep year I just dont see him getting a first. but hey for jackets sake I hope Im wrong.
Boyes only cost buffalo a 2nd last year and IMO his value is even less now. I'm thinking no more than a third unless there is a bidding war for him which seems unlikely.
I would think with gleason gone allen is on our radar. Sentimentally wouldn't mind getting mark eaton back but not sure he's what we need.
I think poile is trying to land an asset forward and will only go rental at the last minute if the asset deals don't pan out
Poile posturing or hanging crepe to lower expectations?
This seems to sum up where the market currently is...
Quote:
"Today, when you make a call, I’m one of 20 teams that’s calling one of four or five teams and we’re all calling about the same player,” Poile said. “So it’s clearly a seller’s market.
“It means that there’s not going to be the high-end players available. It means that the price for whatever you’re going to do … you’re going to have to pay an outrageous, inflated value to get a player whether he’s a rental or he’s a signed player.”
Poile posturing or hanging crepe to lower expectations?
Lowering expectations. Chances are we will get someone we never expected and almost unheard of (jan hlavac ring any bells) then he will claim he is the best player available to us and leave it at that. Asking prices too high, couldn't find the right fit etc. We've seen this movie before.
I am sure this is in another thread, but what do Preds fans think of letting Suter go unsigned and "hoping" he signs this offseason? I know there is talk in Philly of JVR in a deal involving Suter, but both Philly and Nashville were burned by Hamhuis going to market. Suter said he isn't negotiating during season.
I personally see Weber/Suter/Rinne as the blocks you build that franchise around, but Suter as a UFA kind of throws a wrench into that perfect world. If he walks, that is devastating. So, trade him, or wait and hope to sign him?
No excuses David. You told us before free agency what the team needs were. You said after free agency that the cost was to prohibitive, and the needs would be addressed in season. You knew the cost would be high irregardless. The trade deadline is where the WORST deals are made every year.
No more complaining. Results are all that matters.
