HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Maple Leafs in on James van Riemsdyk

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-02-2012, 11:03 AM
  #126
John Wayne Gretzky
Registered User
 
John Wayne Gretzky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 1,085
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brewmeister View Post
2 points.

1. Holmgren dismissed the rumours of Toronto/Phili trading Schenn and JVR

2. JVR was injured after the dismissal of the rumours.
Not true, Homer dismissed that he was shopping JVR, however Burke had contacted him about JVR and Homer said that the price would be Schenn + if he were to involve JVR and thats where talks ended.

John Wayne Gretzky is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:05 AM
  #127
Liferleafer
Blow it up!
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 11,012
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oates2Neely View Post
JVR

for

Schenn & Kulemin/or Kadri
If core pieces (which Schenn and Kulie are) are to be traded, i would think Burke would prefer to address our lack of #1C. I know we would have to add.

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:09 AM
  #128
Oates2Neely
Registered User
 
Oates2Neely's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BeanTown
Country: Azores
Posts: 7,831
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseOAK View Post
Teams are calling Burke, not the other way around.
Ya sure

It has been widely speculated that Burke has been searching for top-6 talent for a few seasons now. Do you truly believe Burke is kicking back in a recliner smoking a cigar celebrating how great his roster looks heading into the playoffs? Heck no,, I'd bet Brian Burkes cell phone bill is the highest amongst all NHL GM's..& it isnt because teams are trying to poach the Leafs 'superstars'. Burke is always actively hinting for top-6 talent imo.

Oates2Neely is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:12 AM
  #129
Rinzler
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mississauga
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,943
vCash: 500
JVR is damaged goods right now. No way you acquire this guy to improve the team for a playoff run. JVR will not get you Schenn, funny how people think that Toronto would have to add.

Schenn may not be having the greatest season but he's still a damn good Defensive D-man who is again #1 in hits and is only 22 with 4 years of experience and is highly durable. Dream on if you think a former top pick in a weak draft who hasn't yet broken out who's suffering from multiple injuries will land him.

Rinzler is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:14 AM
  #130
Oates2Neely
Registered User
 
Oates2Neely's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BeanTown
Country: Azores
Posts: 7,831
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liferleafer View Post
If core pieces (which Schenn and Kulie are) are to be traded, i would think Burke would prefer to address our lack of #1C. I know we would have to add.
I agree w/ your post. But I do however think that no team is currently trying to shop their #1 center. Perhaps this is Burke's plan 'B'?

I've stated my opinion on this already, imo Burke should go hard after Martin Hanzal, to plot between Kessel & Lupul. 19 & 81 already have enough offensive 'punch'. Hanzal would provide them a big body, extremely good defensively, whom loves to go in corners & dig out pucks. He'd be a great fit. I feel Colborne will soon evolve into Leafs #2 center role. JVR & Hanzal would be great additions to the Leafs.

Lupul-Hanzal-Kessel
Kulemin-Colborne-JVR

Oates2Neely is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:20 AM
  #131
mooseOAK*
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 42,437
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeh82 View Post
You don't think that Burke is initiating phone calls as well?

I really don't understand this mentality. Why does it seem like Toronto fans need to constantly tout how sought-after their players are?

Every team is looking to improve--either short-term or long-term. Every GM is making and receiving calls--it's their job.

Where do we get this idea that Burke is somehow the smartest / cagiest guy in whatever room he walks into?
I'm just repeating what Burke said and also Dreger reported that the Leafs have an offer of a player and a pick for Cody Franson who is currently the team's 5 or 6 guy.

Teams want defence, Leafs have that depth.

mooseOAK* is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:22 AM
  #132
Jack de la Hoya
Registered User
 
Jack de la Hoya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Texas
Country: United States
Posts: 14,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseOAK View Post
I'm just repeating what Burke said and also Dreger reported that the Leafs have an offer of a player and a pick for Cody Franson who is currently the team's 5 or 6 guy.

Teams want defence, Leafs have that depth.
I'd happily give up Jody Shelley and a 7th for Franson (you said player and a pick, not good player and high pick, right?)

And let's take a guess who told Dreger that the Leafs had that offer...

Basically, I guess, my question is why do you believe what any GM is saying publicly?

Jack de la Hoya is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:29 AM
  #133
mooseOAK*
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 42,437
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeh82 View Post
I'd happily give up Jody Shelley and a 7th for Franson (you said player and a pick, not good player and high pick, right?)

And let's take a guess who told Dreger that the Leafs had that offer...

Basically, I guess, my question is why do you believe what any GM is saying publicly?
Yeah, I'm sure that NHL GM's have nothing better to do than make Jody Shelley and a 7th offers for players. They are more mature than people in here since you seem to be unaware of that fact by writing such drivel.

Burke didn't say anything specific just that when asked if he was working on trades said that he was listening. GM's usually lie when they say that they aren't doing anything.

mooseOAK* is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:30 AM
  #134
Liferleafer
Blow it up!
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 11,012
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oates2Neely View Post
I agree w/ your post. But I do however think that no team is currently trying to shop their #1 center. Perhaps this is Burke's plan 'B'?

I've stated my opinion on this already, imo Burke should go hard after Martin Hanzal, to plot between Kessel & Lupul. 19 & 81 already have enough offensive 'punch'. Hanzal would provide them a big body, extremely good defensively, whom loves to go in corners & dig out pucks. He'd be a great fit. I feel Colborne will soon evolve into Leafs #2 center role. JVR & Hanzal would be great additions to the Leafs.

Lupul-Hanzal-Kessel
Kulemin-Colborne-JVR
Burke has pretty much stated that he isn't shopping Schenn, i could see him overpaying for a winger like Ryan but i don't think so for JVR. I agree he would have to add a LITTLE to Schenn for JVR, but Kulie is not a LITTLE. With JVR becoming a 4.5 mil player next season, i'd rather spend that on Grabo. And, (i'm about to get roasted by my fellow Leaf fans again) i have a funny feeling that Carter may end up here.

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:32 AM
  #135
mooseOAK*
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 42,437
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oates2Neely View Post
Ya sure

It has been widely speculated that Burke has been searching for top-6 talent for a few seasons now. Do you truly believe Burke is kicking back in a recliner smoking a cigar celebrating how great his roster looks heading into the playoffs? Heck no,, I'd bet Brian Burkes cell phone bill is the highest amongst all NHL GM's..& it isnt because teams are trying to poach the Leafs 'superstars'. Burke is always actively hinting for top-6 talent imo.
There is only one kind of top 6 talent that should be available at this time of the season, players that teams don't want for some reason either now or for the future. Burke doesn't need to call those guys.

mooseOAK* is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:32 AM
  #136
Northern Heat
Registered User
 
Northern Heat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 436
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Brewmeister View Post
You should listen better. It's not what Dreger said. He said they may be interested in going after Van Riemsdyk if he is available.
This doesn't say anything....

Northern Heat is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:34 AM
  #137
Loso
Registered User
 
Loso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,028
vCash: 500
I'd be scared to trade Schenn for JVR.

Lateral moves horrify me. Besides, wingers are not a need, #2 defensmen are, and since we are likely not signing Suter, we hope Schenn will become that.

Loso is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:36 AM
  #138
Liferleafer
Blow it up!
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 11,012
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loso View Post
I'd be scared to trade Schenn for JVR.

Lateral moves horrify me. Besides, wingers are not a need, #2 defensmen are, and since we are likely not signing Suter, we hope Schenn will become that.
Totally agree...i'm OK with trading Schenn in a PACKAGE that clearly upgrades the team. Lateral moves are only good if we can clear contracts ie: Komi,Lombo or Armstrong. Otherwise, whats the sense?

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:36 AM
  #139
leaflover
New hope
 
leaflover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: beautiful B.C
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,947
vCash: 825
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loso View Post
I'd be scared to trade Schenn for JVR.

Lateral moves horrify me. Besides, wingers are not a need, #2 defensmen are, and since we are likely not signing Suter, we hope Schenn will become that.
I don't really see it as a lateral move. To me that would be trading Schenn for a different shutdown d-man.

leaflover is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:37 AM
  #140
Kaktus*
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: PA
Posts: 22,389
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drur93 View Post
Who cares? Standings are based on points. There's no guarantee a team will win games in hand. They were tied for 7th. Period.

That's fine about there being other teams. This thread is about a reported rumour. That's all. If JVR and Schenn aren't the centerpieces, then it'll be something else that JVR goes for.
What do you mean who cares? I care.. A lot of people care. Caps win next game and Jersey win one more and you are out of playoffs. Right? But this is not even the point of this thread.

I mean give teams fair GP chance.

Kaktus* is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:37 AM
  #141
Jack de la Hoya
Registered User
 
Jack de la Hoya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Texas
Country: United States
Posts: 14,075
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseOAK View Post
Yeah, I'm sure that NHL GM's have nothing better to do than make Jody Shelley and a 7th offers for players. They are more mature than people in here since you seem to be unaware of that fact by writing such drivel.

Burke didn't say anything specific just that when asked if he was working on trades said that he was listening. GM's usually lie when they say that they aren't doing anything.
Calm down.

The point of the "drivel" was that "a player and a pick" is not an indication of value.

Most GMs, I would think, give the generic "we're always looking to improve the team" line, which has the benefit of being true.

Jack de la Hoya is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:37 AM
  #142
Oates2Neely
Registered User
 
Oates2Neely's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BeanTown
Country: Azores
Posts: 7,831
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Liferleafer View Post
Burke has pretty much stated that he isn't shopping Schenn, i could see him overpaying for a winger like Ryan but i don't think so for JVR. I agree he would have to add a LITTLE to Schenn for JVR, but Kulie is not a LITTLE. With JVR becoming a 4.5 mil player next season, i'd rather spend that on Grabo. And, (i'm about to get roasted by my fellow Leaf fans again) i have a funny feeling that Carter may end up here.
I like Carter. He's a sniper. He's struggling this season but I believe he's a 30 to 40 goal scorer on a consistant basis, and his cap hit is fair. However I dont think he'd be a good fit between Kessel & Lupul. Carter loves to shoot, as does Kessel, and Lupul. Perhaps he would fit well on a 2nd line w/ Kulemin?

Imo Burke would have to add quite a bit to Schenn in order to land Bobby Ryan. Ryan is a star. Schenn is a question mark, as is JVR. That's why a swap of those two makes more sense. I think JVR holds more value than Schenn just because of the position he plays. Shut down dmen arent as valuable imo as top-6 wingers (unless said shut down dman also has offensive flair, which Schenn has yet to show).

Oates2Neely is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:39 AM
  #143
Kader
Registered User
 
Kader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: C eh N eh D eh
Country: Canada
Posts: 285
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by apb03 View Post
JVR is damaged goods right now. No way you acquire this guy to improve the team for a playoff run. JVR will not get you Schenn, funny how people think that Toronto would have to add.

Schenn may not be having the greatest season but he's still a damn good Defensive D-man who is again #1 in hits and is only 22 with 4 years of experience and is highly durable. Dream on if you think a former top pick in a weak draft who hasn't yet broken out who's suffering from multiple injuries will land him.
This.
But because he's a Leaf everybody assumes that Leaf fans believe he is god's gift to hockey and the price to get him is greater than Suter's...

Kader is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:39 AM
  #144
Snotbubbles
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,552
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loso View Post
I'd be scared to trade Schenn for JVR.

Lateral moves horrify me. Besides, wingers are not a need, #2 defensmen are, and since we are likely not signing Suter, we hope Schenn will become that.
This is why I can't see the Flyers making this trade now. If Suter becomes available, they will go hard after him. If they don't sign Suter, then sure, maybe they revisit this.

Snotbubbles is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:41 AM
  #145
Liferleafer
Blow it up!
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 11,012
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oates2Neely View Post
I like Carter. He's a sniper. He's struggling this season but I believe he's a 30 to 40 goal scorer on a consistant basis, and his cap hit is fair. However I dont think he'd be a good fit between Kessel & Lupul. Carter loves to shoot, as does Kessel, and Lupul. Perhaps he would fit well on a 2nd line w/ Kulemin?

Imo Burke would have to add quite a bit to Schenn in order to land Bobby Ryan. Ryan is a star. Schenn is a question mark, as is JVR. That's why a swap of those two makes more sense. I think JVR holds more value than Schenn just because of the position he plays. Shut down dmen arent as valuable imo as top-6 wingers (unless said shut down dman also has offensive flair, which Schenn has yet to show).
As i said, i agree, but that "more value" shouldn't equal Kulie. Maybe a 2nd or a prospect.

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:45 AM
  #146
The Brewmeister
#Winning.
 
The Brewmeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: The Hammer
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,325
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to The Brewmeister Send a message via Skype™ to The Brewmeister
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Wayne Gretzky View Post
Not true, Homer dismissed that he was shopping JVR, however Burke had contacted him about JVR and Homer said that the price would be Schenn + if he were to involve JVR and thats where talks ended.
Got a link to back this up? I'd like to see it. I took it from a media perspective. Once Homer declined that deals were in place, JVR got a concussion and that was the main assumption.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Northern Heat View Post
This doesn't say anything....
my point exactly.

The Brewmeister is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:50 AM
  #147
RangerBoy
#freejtmiller
 
RangerBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 31,996
vCash: 500
The Flyers fall out of love with players in a hurry. They just gave JVR a extension a few months ago. Jeff Carter was traded after his extension.

RangerBoy is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:55 AM
  #148
RangerBoy
#freejtmiller
 
RangerBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 31,996
vCash: 500
JVR's family can go back their Rangers roots when JVR gets traded. I wouldn't mind seeing JVR play for the Rangers some day. His boyhood team.

RangerBoy is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 11:57 AM
  #149
IWD
...
 
IWD's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Country: Spain
Posts: 5,064
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nitroglycerin View Post
What do you mean who cares? I care.. A lot of people care. Caps win next game and Jersey win one more and you are out of playoffs. Right? But this is not even the point of this thread.

I mean give teams fair GP chance.
I mean who cares? It doesn't matter until it happens. Caps lose one, and the Devils lose one more and we're in the playoffs. The only thing that matters, at the end of the day, is points, and nothing else.

And it's not the point of the thread, so yes, let it go.

IWD is offline  
Old
02-02-2012, 12:02 PM
  #150
Kaktus*
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: PA
Posts: 22,389
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drur93 View Post
I mean who cares? It doesn't matter until it happens. Caps lose one, and the Devils lose one more and we're in the playoffs. The only thing that matters, at the end of the day, is points, and nothing else.

And it's not the point of the thread, so yes, let it go.
I guess you do not care. In the end of the day teams must play the same amount of games. Right?


Back to Burke has leverage conversation. He has none. Correction, I do not think he does.


Last edited by Kaktus*: 02-02-2012 at 12:09 PM.
Kaktus* is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:47 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.