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02-02-2012, 07:06 AM
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On Boyes, I was surprised myself that Lundqvist got his glove/arm down quickly enough to have it not slide under and in. Ennis hit a post, it's unfortunate. I was then thinking Roy or Leino myself, but that's a moot point as Ruff makes those decisions. Leino made a solid deke to beat the goalie, but Lundqvist recovered with a poke-check as Leino returned to his forehand, and thus the weak shot. It happens.

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02-02-2012, 08:01 AM
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Best 0-0 game I've seen in a long time. Obviously great goaltending and great team defense.

Sucks to lose the way we did, but at least we get a point.

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Your initial claim was that Ruff was out-coached. Your backing that up with this argument? John Mitchell shot for the Rangers. Not exactly lighting it up offensively. Sometimes coaches go with their gut. Leino has been playing some really good hockey for us.

And in what world is Ville Leino not an offensive-minded player?
You make some good points.

I looked up Roy's shootout stats and he's worse than I thought he was... I dunno just not who I would have tossed out there that's all. Myers definitely comes to mind as one who should have been in their top 5 last night.

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02-02-2012, 08:10 AM
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You make some good points.

I looked up Roy's shootout stats and he's worse than I thought he was... I dunno just not who I would have tossed out there that's all. Myers definitely comes to mind as one who should have been in their top 5 last night.
It definitely would have been interesting to see Myers shoot. Maybe he hasn't impressed in practice breakaways.

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02-02-2012, 08:26 AM
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So does anyone have a problem with Pominville still? I know there were a lot of people early in the year, but the guy has been our best player easily. Clutch shootout goals in the Devils game and last night in the Rangers games, he's been stepping up big time this year.

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02-02-2012, 08:32 AM
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So does anyone have a problem with Pominville still? I know there were a lot of people early in the year, but the guy has been our best player easily. Clutch shootout goals in the Devils game and last night in the Rangers games, he's been stepping up big time this year.
That's his job. He had to take his game to another level.

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That's his job. He had to take his game to another level.
Yet, People still pile on the anti-pominville bandwagon. He did what he needed to do and he has gotten so much flack for it by our fans. What other guys have CONSISTENTLY stepped up this year?

Guy takes a puck to the face, with a history of concussions, and comes back and keeps playing...


But you know, what team would want a capatin that does that?

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02-02-2012, 09:12 AM
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Yet, People still pile on the anti-pominville bandwagon. He did what he needed to do and he has gotten so much flack for it by our fans. What other guys have CONSISTENTLY stepped up this year?

Guy takes a puck to the face, with a history of concussions, and comes back and keeps playing...


But you know, what team would want a capatin that does that?
The only reason I can think of is the argument that he is overpaid, which may have been true in past seasons (arguable), but most certainly not this season. I've also seen a lot of Pominville haters to note that he isn't physical.

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If he was the captain of a winning team, people would love him (more). Winning cures all ills.

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02-02-2012, 09:35 AM
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Yet, People still pile on the anti-pominville bandwagon. He did what he needed to do and he has gotten so much flack for it by our fans. What other guys have CONSISTENTLY stepped up this year?

Guy takes a puck to the face, with a history of concussions, and comes back and keeps playing...


But you know, what team would want a capatin that does that?
Where are people piling on the anti-Pominville bandwagon? In the past they sure have, but he's pretty much been lauded as one of the bright spots of this season.*

* I guess you could count people not liking his "lead by example" approach to the captaincy. But his play on the ice has been nothing but great.

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Where are people piling on the anti-Pominville bandwagon? In the past they sure have, but he's pretty much been lauded as one of the bright spots of this season.*

* I guess you could count people not liking his "lead by example" approach to the captaincy.
I think it's quite the opposite. I think people that are critical of Pominville being the captain are so because he isn't a guy that's going to get in other player's faces or hold people accountable. His lead by example approach is the undisputed positive to him being captain, I think.

I don't know how heard his voice is in the room, so I can't comment or be critical of that, like so many people ignorantly do.

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Where are people piling on the anti-Pominville bandwagon? In the past they sure have, but he's pretty much been lauded as one of the bright spots of this season.*

* I guess you could count people not liking his "lead by example" approach to the captaincy. But his play on the ice has been nothing but great.
+1

I don't remember seeing a very strong anti-Pominville contingency at any point this season. Obviously he has shortcomings that are valid to mention: he's not physical nor is he very vocal. 2 aspects that most fans would like the captain of their team to possess but to say there's an anti-Pominville bandwagon around here is a little out there.

Seems like hipster theory to me. "I liked Pominville before it was cool to like Pominville."

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I don't remember seeing a very strong anti-Pominville contingency at any point this season. Obviously he has shortcomings that are valid to mention: he's not physical nor is he very vocal. 2 aspects that most fans would like the captain of their team to possess but to say there's an anti-Pominville bandwagon around here is a little out there.

Seems like hipster theory to me. "I liked Pominville before it was cool to like Pominville."
IIRC, there was some thread where Pominville's captaincy was debated and some people were going "Vanek should've been captain" after the Lucic incident. Suffice it to say, people were not happy with the "type" of captain Pominville was.


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IIRC, there was some thread where Pominville's captaincy was debated and everyone was going "Vanek should've been captain" after the Lucic incident. Suffice it to say, people were not happy with the "type" of captain Pominville was.
Ok, I do recall that now. I redact!

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The best part of last night? They showed that they can still hang. With a relatively full line up this team can still hang with the best. Whether they should or not, but they are not the noncompetitive mess that we have been watching for the past two months.

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Different captains have different styles -- leading by example, elevating one's own game is something guys have done for far longer than the Messier-style of face smashing. In fact, that list of quality captains is far longer than this mythic ideal of some loud-mouthed, stick-breaking Barney Ross wanna-be that a few seem to hang their hats on as what they want for the Sabres. Pominville gets out in front of the press, doesn't dodge them or their questions, leads by example on the ice and is constantly pumping the guys tires. We, fans, have ZERO idea of what he (or anyone else) says or does in the room and who follows who and why.

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Different captains have different styles -- leading by example, elevating one's own game is something guys have done for far longer than the Messier-style of face smashing. In fact, that list of quality captains is far longer than this mythic ideal of some loud-mouthed, stick-breaking Barney Ross wanna-be that a few seem to hang their hats on as what they want for the Sabres. Pominville gets out in front of the press, doesn't dodge them or their questions, leads by example on the ice and is constantly pumping the guys tires. We, fans, have ZERO idea of what he (or anyone else) says or does in the room and who follows who and why.
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02-02-2012, 11:23 AM
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Different captains have different styles -- leading by example, elevating one's own game is something guys have done for far longer than the Messier-style of face smashing. In fact, that list of quality captains is far longer than this mythic ideal of some loud-mouthed, stick-breaking Barney Ross wanna-be that a few seem to hang their hats on as what they want for the Sabres. Pominville gets out in front of the press, doesn't dodge them or their questions, leads by example on the ice and is constantly pumping the guys tires. We, fans, have ZERO idea of what he (or anyone else) says or does in the room and who follows who and why.
Fact: no captain with a last name ending in -ville has ever won the Stanley Cup. Ergo, Pominville is an awful captain.

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Ugly: I kept telling myself there is no way I can leave this game pissed off. Whelp, left even more pissed than if he had lost 5-0. Out. Coached. Again.

Ville Leino would have been probably my 12th shooter. That is no time to "bench" Roy.
I wouldn't call it "outcoached" when Torts put 0-for-5 (now 0-for-6) Brad Richards out there before Callahan and some others.

Also, Lindy doesn't coach posts.

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Fact: no captain with a last name ending in -ville has ever won the Stanley Cup. Ergo, Pominville is an awful captain.
Neither have captains with last names beginning with Pomin. Therefore, statsticalogically, he's due.

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So does anyone have a problem with Pominville still? I know there were a lot of people early in the year, but the guy has been our best player easily. Clutch shootout goals in the Devils game and last night in the Rangers games, he's been stepping up big time this year.
Yes?

His SO goal was huge, that's undeniable. But he had a pretty brutal game outside of that, particularly on the powerplay/5-on-3 in the first period. He had three terrible giveaways during that sequence.

The guy is a pretty good complimentary player who plays a solid, if unspectacular, two-way game. But he's not a puck handler or a playmaker, and the Sabres should stop using him that way, especially on the powerplay.

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Did anyone notice that Doc was particularly big on 'drives' last night (more so than usual)?

Drive DRIVE drive DRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVEE!1!!1 Dr-Drive!
He was probably shopping for a new golf club online during stoppages.

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Yes?

His SO goal was huge, that's undeniable. But he had a pretty brutal game outside of that, particularly on the powerplay/5-on-3 in the first period. He had three terrible giveaways during that sequence.

The guy is a pretty good complimentary player who plays a solid, if unspectacular, two-way game. But he's not a puck handler or a playmaker, and the Sabres should stop using him that way, especially on the powerplay.
Dont know that I agree with you.

With 30 assists, 18th place in league. Tied with the likes of Spezza, D. Sedin and Kopitar. They all have much higher scoring teams. Not bad company.

16th overall in scoring.... That is more than a complimentary player on any team.

I agree he sucked on the 5-3.

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Yes?

His SO goal was huge, that's undeniable. But he had a pretty brutal game outside of that, particularly on the powerplay/5-on-3 in the first period. He had three terrible giveaways during that sequence.

The guy is a pretty good complimentary player who plays a solid, if unspectacular, two-way game. But he's not a puck handler or a playmaker, and the Sabres should stop using him that way, especially on the powerplay.
Lol. He's still leading this team better than anyone else could, including Vanek. But yeah, the PP sucked, and everyone gives the puck away.

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