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For the most part, GM foods are fantastic. Amazing inventions.
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For the most part, GM foods are fantastic. Amazing inventions.
Seriously. Humans have been genetically modifying foods for millenia, all of a sudden it's considered harmful now because we're actually, like, good at it?
There's lots of problems with Monsanto--their legal activities, the way they encourage pesticide- and herbicide-centered agriculture, the monoculture mania, etc. but the actual crops themselves are pretty freaking good.
Seriously. Humans have been genetically modifying foods for millenia, all of a sudden it's considered harmful now because we're actually, like, good at it?
There's lots of problems with Monsanto--their legal activities, the way they encourage pesticide- and herbicide-centered agriculture, the monoculture mania, etc. but the actual crops themselves are pretty freaking good.
Yep. Monsanto is a horrible corporation for a lot of reasons. For this? Not really horrible at all. Pretty genius and pretty safe.
In a match that some would say was made in hell, the nation's two leading producers of agrochemicals have joined forces in a partnership to reintroduce the use of the herbicide 2,4-D, one half of the infamous defoliant Agent Orange, which was used by American forces to clear jungle during the Vietnam War. These two biotech giants have developed a weed management program that, if successful, would go a long way toward a predicted doubling of harmful herbicide use in America's corn belt during the next decade.
The problem for corn farmers is that "superweeds" have been developing resistance to America's best-selling herbicide Roundup, which is being sprayed on millions of acres in the Midwest and elsewhere. Dow Agrosciences has developed a strain of corn that it says will solve the problem. The new genetically modified variety can tolerate 2,4-D, which will kill off the Roundup-resistant weeds, but leave the corn standing. Farmers who opt into this system will be required to double-dose their fields with a deadly cocktail of Roundup plus 2,4-D, both of which are manufactured by Monsanto.
But this plan has alarmed environmentalists and also many farmers, who are reluctant to reintroduce a chemical whose toxicity has been well established. The use of 2,4-D is banned in several European countries and provinces of Canada. The substance is a suspected carcinogen, which has been shown to double the incidence of birth defects in the children of pesticide applicators in a study conducted by University of Minnesota pathologist Vincent Garry.
Anybody that doesn't believe the "conspiracy theory" in THIS CASE ought to catch up a little in their thinking and knowledge.
We were all born onto this pile of ****, so don't take ever personal if somebody messes around with the little dreamcloud you brought yourself up to believe.
This is real, it is out there and you probably have already eaten it.
As for my case I live in Saarland Germany and I DO NOT KNOW ,where the food I eat, comes from.
I do care though, I don't go to McDonalds, I don't take "medicin". **** these industries. They has been here over 100 years and their Ideology doesnt change. It will always stay Profit, Profit, Profit.
And they certainly dont give flying **** if people die whilst profiting.
IG Farben is a prime example for having produced Zyklon B, the gasoline for the german tanks, much much more and they built up a research plant next to Ausschwitz. Built by the souls that then would go on to die in there. IG Farben is not gone! It just fell apart to its original components - some of them are bought up by now - but two of them you should recognize. BAYER AG and BASF.
Monsanto is just another fraternal player of the big game. They want to control the food. **** them! I agree, and it might sound wrong but its not, we need more farmers! And I am sure many unemployed people would love it on a farm. Maybe parents could send their kids there instaed of Drill Sgt. Mother****s boot camp.
People better start gettin real. Cause the consequences of the last 100 years are about to be unfold soon. Maybe even the last 6500 years ... but thats another story.
I don't take "medicin". **** these industries. They has been here over 100 years and their Ideology doesnt change. It will always stay Profit, Profit, Profit.
And they certainly dont give flying **** if people die whilst profiting.
IG Farben is a prime example for having produced Zyklon B, the gasoline for the german tanks, much much more and they built up a research plant next to Ausschwitz. Built by the souls that then would go on to die in there. IG Farben is not gone! It just fell apart to its original components - some of them are bought up by now - but two of them you should recognize. BAYER AG and BASF.
I actually do most of my freelance work for Bayer AG and I don't really get how you can blame the company that exists today for what happened during WWII any more than I could blame you for what happened. You weren't there doing those things, and neither were the people who run/work for Bayer AG nowdays.
But more to the point, I don't understand why you don't take medicine. If you'd rather have a life expectancy of 35 like in the 18th century, then I guess that's your pregrogative. But me personally, I'm okay with a pharmaceutical company making money off of keeping me healthy.
But more to the point, I don't understand why you don't take medicine. If you'd rather have a life expectancy of 35 like in the 18th century, then I guess that's your pregrogative. But me personally, I'm okay with a pharmaceutical company making money off of keeping me healthy.
LOL, what a crock of ****. Healthy people are healthy people without pharmaceuticals. The wealthy make us sick and then charge us to treat the symptoms slow enough to make as much out of us before we die.
LOL, what a crock of ****. Healthy people are healthy people without pharmaceuticals. The wealthy make us sick and then charge us to treat the symptoms slow enough to make as much out of us before we die.
LOL, what a crock of ****. Healthy people are healthy people without pharmaceuticals. The wealthy make us sick and then charge us to treat the symptoms slow enough to make as much out of us before we die.
Sure, healthy people are healthy without pharmaceuticals. Until they get sick, at which point they need pharmaceuticals.
A federal class-action lawsuit brought last year by a consortium of farmers against the agricultural and chemical company Monsanto was dismissed Monday by Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald of Federal District Court.
The plaintiffs, none of whom use Monsanto’s products, are seeking to have the company’s agricultural patents invalidated. They said they were concerned that Monsanto would sue them if the company’s patented strains of soybeans, corn or alfalfa, which make up a majority of American crops, appeared in their fields. In January, oral arguments in the case brought hundreds of farmers and advocates to Lower Manhattan to protest the power wielded by Monsanto in American agriculture.
Yah, making plants with pesticides built into the plant is perfectly natural or normal. Just like cross-breading.
That's also the tip of the iceberg.
Chrysanthemums have pesticides built into them, as do loads of other plants.
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A federal class-action lawsuit brought last year by a consortium of farmers against the agricultural and chemical company Monsanto was dismissed Monday by Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald of Federal District Court.
This has been a big problem for farmers, it's just galling that this didn't even get heard. Monsanto's evilness is not in it's methods of modifying crops, it's everything else it does.
Chrysanthemums have pesticides built into them, as do loads of other plants.
This has been a big problem for farmers, it's just galling that this didn't even get heard. Monsanto's evilness is not in it's methods of modifying crops, it's everything else it does.
Some of it is a smear campaign. I remember watching that documentary where they focused on that one farmer... they acted as if the farmer just happened to accidentally plant the Monsanto crop.
If you looked into it - you found out the farmer knew it was GMO Monsanto seed, decided not to pay their fee and planted anyways.
I'm not saying Monsanto is great, I'm just tired of hack and smear jobs - you can make someone or something that is bad look bad by just stating facts, no need to resort to trickery.
Some of it is a smear campaign. I remember watching that documentary where they focused on that one farmer... they acted as if the farmer just happened to accidentally plant the Monsanto crop.
If you looked into it - you found out the farmer knew it was GMO Monsanto seed, decided not to pay their fee and planted anyways.
I'm not saying Monsanto is great, I'm just tired of hack and smear jobs - you can make someone or something that is bad look bad by just stating facts, no need to resort to trickery.
I don't know the details of any case, and I can certainly imagine that happening. I'm speaking more generally.
The general problem that I see is that growers no longer have a choice -- they have to plant these seeds. Pollen blows in the air; if you plant whatever you want, when all your neighbors are planting Monsanto's proprietary seed that pollen is going to pollinate some of your crop. As soon as that happens, as I understand it, Monsanto claims that the resulting growth is their seed and controlled by their patents.
Sick Bro ... that would be effing sick. Owning the baby-zombie-crops too ...
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I consider a healthy immunsystem all I need to prevent me from gettin ill. Of course if I break anything I go to the doc, but sure as hell I wont let anybody flush radioaktive **** through my veins.
I just try to keep anything unnatural away from my body. Artificial sugar, cheese, meat. Additives. Any chemical drug thats source was at some point crude oil. Can't have that stuff in a bioorganism ... seriously, cancer cause number one. Unnatural **** in a natural enviroment ...
Sick Bro ... that would be effing sick. Owning the baby-zombie-crops too ...
Um, I think you're missing the point ....
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I consider a healthy immunsystem all I need to prevent me from gettin ill. Of course if I break anything I go to the doc, but sure as hell I wont let anybody flush radioaktive **** through my veins.
How about if you get a bacterial infection? Say, tonsilitis? Strep throat? Gonna just sit home drinking chicken soup waiting for you immune system to kill it off?
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I just try to keep anything unnatural away from my body. Artificial sugar, cheese, meat. Additives. Any chemical drug thats source was at some point crude oil. Can't have that stuff in a bioorganism ... seriously, cancer cause number one. Unnatural **** in a natural enviroment ...
Think about it a little bit more; for example, the "organic beef" we might eat out of fear of GM foods was still born in Montana, fattened an unnatural corn-based (oh, but organic corn, and oh yeah, it's trucked in from Iowa) diet on a concentrated feedlot in Kansas, both of which will actually *increase* it's risk of carrying pathogenic e coli, slaughtered in North Carolina then finally shipped to wherever the heck we are, thereby burning 10-20 kcals of petroleum per each kcal of beef eaten.
I consider a healthy immunsystem all I need to prevent me from gettin ill. Of course if I break anything I go to the doc, but sure as hell I wont let anybody flush radioaktive **** through my veins.
I just try to keep anything unnatural away from my body. Artificial sugar, cheese, meat. Additives. Any chemical drug thats source was at some point crude oil. Can't have that stuff in a bioorganism ... seriously, cancer cause number one. Unnatural **** in a natural enviroment ...
Because nobody who lives a healthy lifestyle ever gets cancer!
Good luck surviving/recovering from a heart attack, stroke, etc. with your healthy diet if the unthinkable should happen, and god forbid you actually become seriously ill.
You don't appear to be on very good terms with reality.
I think there might be a little bit of a language barrier between NYR88 and the rest of you. Cut him some slack, I enjoy hearing both sides and you guys are just trying to make him feel like an idiot.
Will type out a longer, thought out post on Monsanto soon.
I just try to keep anything unnatural away from my body. Artificial sugar, cheese, meat. Additives. Any chemical drug thats source was at some point crude oil. Can't have that stuff in a bioorganism ... seriously, cancer cause number one. Unnatural **** in a natural enviroment ...
Probably half of the nitrogen in your body was derived from the atmosphere using the Haber process which uses fossil fuels to produce fertilizers responsible for a third of the worlds food production. So while its quaint that you want to only eat strawberries nurtured by the morning dew on an organic commune in Vermont, the fact is that without modern agriculture we would have massive worldwide famine.
