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02-02-2012, 05:17 PM
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He's on pace for 60 again. I hope he gets 65.

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Bruins, Red Wings, Kings, Flyers, Sharks, Lightning, Canucks and possibly the Stars too.
I think hes at least as equal as Detroit (Datsyuk, Filpula), San Jose (Thornton, Couture), Tampa (Stamkos, Vinny) 2nd line centres. Im not sure why you're putting Dallas ahead of us on C chart. I'd take Grabo11 times out of 10 over Ribero.

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Not on a good team. Especially since we're a very aggressive team that inflates our players stats. Solid 2nd line guy.

But let me remind you of the ppl calling Stajan a "1st" line centre years ago because he got 55 points one year and 41 in 55 the year after.

Now obviously Grabo is a better player, I'm just using it as an example for players getting inflated stats on our team due to our style of play.

When I think of 1st line centres on good teams, I think of Crosby, Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Staal, Toews, Sedin, Stamkos, Backstrom, Kopitar, Richards, other Richards, Giroux, Thornton, Malkin, Kesler, Spezza, Etc. with young up and comers like Seguin, Tavares, RNH, Duchene, Skinner, etc

Grabo is closer to the ilk of Weiss, Pavelski, Plekanec, Roy, Etc
This guy knows what he's talking about. Skinner is a winger though.

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02-02-2012, 05:37 PM
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I think hes at least as equal as Detroit (Datsyuk, Filpula), San Jose (Thornton, Couture), Tampa (Stamkos, Vinny) 2nd line centres. Im not sure why you're putting Dallas ahead of us on C chart. I'd take Grabo11 times out of 10 over Ribero.
Lecavalier might be a bit of a stretch, but I wouldnt sneeze at the Couture comparison and would say he's better than Filppula. However, when the need arises, it's actually Zetterberg that's Detroit's "second line center" and to that fact, we have nothing to compare with Detroit at the moment.

I've asked this differently before, but, if the Leafs could get another 1b. 2nd line center, without moving a first, without moving Kadri or Colborne...shouldnt that be the option we focus on?

Might not be a true 1b. center, but I think a viable target where Columbus is concerned is RJ Umberger. Anybody else remember how well, how physical and how defensively responsible he played for Philly in the playoffs a few years back?

The push could then include a top six of:

Lupul - Umberger - Kessel
MacArthur - Grabovski - Kulemin.

Maybe we dont' really "need" a top ten, number one center, but a physical, reasonable point producing center who will supplement Lupul and Kessel's defensive shortcomings...After all, the offense on that line is being generated wing to wing anyway, isn't it?

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Lecavalier might be a bit of a stretch, but I wouldnt sneeze at the Couture comparison and would say he's better than Filppula. However, when the need arises, it's actually Zetterberg that's Detroit's "second line center" and to that fact, we have nothing to compare with Detroit at the moment.

I've asked this differently before, but, if the Leafs could get another 1b. 2nd line center, without moving a first, without moving Kadri or Colborne...shouldnt that be the option we focus on?

Might not be a true 1b. center, but I think a viable target where Columbus is concerned is RJ Umberger. Anybody else remember how well, how physical and how defensively responsible he played for Philly in the playoffs a few years back?

The push could then include a top six of:

Lupul - Umberger - Kessel
MacArthur - Grabovski - Kulemin.

Maybe we dont' really "need" a top ten, number one center, but a physical, reasonable point producing center who will supplement Lupul and Kessel's defensive shortcomings...After all, the offense on that line is being generated wing to wing anyway, isn't it?
Grabo's at least as good as Couture. Not to say that Couture can't get better, but currently hes not superiour to Grabo.

And I highly doubt Umberger comes to Toronto (look up his time with Vancouver/Burke....). I dont really see him as an upgrade over Bozak on the top line anyways. Bozak, while not a 1st liner, clicks with Lupul and Kessel like no one else. I dont see Umberger being any better. Would he improve the top 9? Probably.

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Not on a good team.
the leafs are a good team.

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Grabo's at least as good as Couture. Not to say that Couture can't get better, but currently hes not superiour to Grabo.

And I highly doubt Umberger comes to Toronto (look up his time with Vancouver/Burke....). I dont really see him as an upgrade over Bozak on the top line anyways. Bozak, while not a 1st liner, clicks with Lupul and Kessel like no one else. I dont see Umberger being any better. Would he improve the top 9? Probably.
want to give me an update on the umberger and burke tale?

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No but what I'm trying to say is he's already up there in scoring and he's on the second line. Why not use him on the first line? I'm sure his stats would be even better.
Are you at all familiar with the old adage about putting all your eggs in one basket? You don't have to have your 3 best offensive players on one line.

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want to give me an update on the umberger and burke tale?
He withheld on his ELC (didnt even play an NHL game) and sat out for a whole year. Burke traded him away.

Doubt Burke goes for a guy who played hard ball with him to that extent.

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want to give me an update on the umberger and burke tale?
Kesler told ums to take burke's contract offer. Umberger thought it was too low. Burke traded umberger. Kesler stated he didn't like umberger and didn't in college.

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Burke certainly doesn't consider Grabs a #1 centre or he wouldn't have gone out and signed Connolly to be his temp #1 while he continues to seek for his true #1 centre via trade.

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Burke certainly doesn't consider Grabs a #1 centre or he wouldn't have gone out and signed Connolly to be his temp #1 while he continues to seek for his true #1 centre via trade.
Looks like he wanted to find a centre for Kessel's line knowing Grabo's a better fit elsewhere.

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He's getting there. Still developing as a player, when Sedin was his age he was playing in his 8th full season, Grabo is in his 4th, not that they are necessarily exact comparables but I think it shows there is room to grow.

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I will end this...

Yes he is a NHL TOP LINE C. Absolutely 100%, he was drafted by Montreal with those expectations which is public knowledge if you want to read. He has played with struggling line mates the whole season and can still activate lines OR do it himself.

He lacks some size but makes up for it 10 fold with speed and determination. Grabovski is a legit 1st line C PERIOD. There is no debate he is top 30 among C's but again, he is not Crosby, not many people are.

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I'm still at a complete loss as to why he hasn't played at least a few shifts, let alone games, with Lupul and Kessel. Makes no sense to me.

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He`s a top 25 Center in the NHL...so yes he`s a #1 and our best option.....he is however, best suited as a 2nd line player and would arguably be the best 2nd line center in the NHL

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I'm still at a complete loss as to why he hasn't played at least a few shifts, let alone games, with Lupul and Kessel. Makes no sense to me.
He played with Kessel before. Didnt work out.

The other thing is he sparks Kulie and Mac. Not sure any of our other Cs can do that to the level he does.

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Grabovski is an above average #2. Other than Toronto, the only teams he would likely be a top line center for are Buffalo, Calgary, Montreal, Nashville, Phoenix and Winnipeg.

Regardless what we label him as there is no doubt this team is much better off with him than without him.
Not to say anything one way or the other, but just for interest's sake let's line up all the "#1" and "#2" centres in the league - not the top-30 or top-60, but the guys who actually fill those roles for their current teams.

I'll insert all three leafs centres on each list. I'd like to add more than just offensive totals but this is gonna take me long enough as is, and the three Leafs' centres are pretty good all-around players anyways.


#1 Centres

1) PIT S.Crosby (24): 8gms, 2gls, 12pts, 19:15 (82gms, 21gls, 123pts)
2) PHI C.Giroux (23): 45gms, 18gls, 55pts, 21:50 (82gms, 33gls, 100pts)
3) WAS N.Backstrom (24): 38gms, 13gls, 42pts, 19:10 (82gms, 28gls, 91pts)
4) TBL S.Stamkos (21): 49gms, 33gls, 54pts, 21:17 (82gms, 55gls, 90pts)
5) NYI J.Tavares (21): 49gms, 22gls, 53pts, 20:01 (82gms, 37gls, 89pts)
6) DET P.Datsyuk (33): 50gms, 14gls, 53pts, 19:02 (82gms, 23gls, 87pts)
7) VAN H.Sedin (31): 50gms, 11gls, 53pts, 19:18 (82gms, 18gls, 87pts)
8) DAL J.Benn (22): 44gms, 14gls, 45pts, 18:11 (82gms, 26gls, 84pts)
9) CHI J.Toews (23): 50gms, 27gls, 51pts, 20:51 (82gms, 44gls, 84pts)
10) NJD P.Elias (35): 48gms, 18gls, 47pts, 20:31 (82gms, 31gls, 80pts)
11) OTT J.Spezza (28): 53gms, 20gls, 50pts, 20:09 (82gms, 31gls, 77pts)
12) EDM R.Hopkins (18): 38gms, 13gls, 35pts, 17:20 (82gms, 28gls, 76pts)
13) BOS P.Bergeron (26): 48gms, 15gls, 43pts, 18:38 (82gms, 26gls, 74pts)
14) LAK A.Kopitar (24): 51gms, 15gls, 45pts, 21:53 (82gms, 24gls, 72pts)
15) SJS J.Thornton (32): 48gms, 10gls, 41pts, 20:35 (82gms, 17gls, 70pts)
16) MIN M.Koivu (28): 41gms, 9gls, 33pts, 20:56 (82gms, 18gls, 66pts)
17) FLA S.Weiss (28): 47gms, 13gls, 38pts, 20:26 (82gms, 23gls, 66pts)
18) TOR M.Grabovski (27): 45gms, 18gls, 36pts, 17:22 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts)
19) CAL O.Jokinen (33): 51gms, 12gls, 39pts, 18:48 (82gms, 19gls, 63pts)
20) STL D.Backes (27): 49gms, 16gls, 37pts, 19:49 (82gms, 27gls, 62pts)
21) COL R.O'Reilly (20): 51gms, 14gls, 37pts, 19:00 (82gms, 23gls, 60pts)
22) CAR E.Staal (27): 52gms, 11gls, 37pts, 21:33 (82gms, 17gls, 58pts)
23) MTL D.Desharnais (25): 50gms, 9gls, 35pts, 17:52 (82gms, 15gls, 57pts)
24) NAS M.Fisher (31): 43gms, 14gls, 30pts, 19:06 (82gms, 27gls, 57pts)
25) ANA R.Getzlaf (26): 50gms, 8gls, 34pts, 21:45 (82gms, 13gls, 56pts)
26) NYR B.Richards (31): 49gms, 16gls, 33pts, 20:25 (82gms, 27gls, 55pts)
TOR T.Bozak (25): 42gms, 8gls, 27pts, 18:06 (82gms, 16gls, 53pts)
27) WPG N.Antropov (31): 43gms, 8gls, 27pts, 17:56 (82gms, 15gls, 52pts)
TOR T.Connolly (30): 39gms, 7gls, 24pts, 17:20 (82gms, 15gls, 51pts)
28) CLM J.Carter (26): 30gms, 10gls, 17pts, 19:58 (82gms, 27gls, 47pts)
29) PHX M.Hanzal (24): 37gms, 5gls, 20pts, 18:48 (82gms, 11gls, 44pts)
30) BUF D.Roy (28): 49gms, 9gls, 25pts, 18:48 (82gms, 15gls, 42pts)



#2 Centres

1) PIT E.Malkin (25): 44gms, 27gls, 59pts, 21:21 (82gms, 50gls, 110pts)
2) BOS D.Krejci (25): 45gms, 11gls, 39pts, 18:01 (82gms, 20gls, 71pts)
3) TBL V.Lecavalier (31): 49gms, 19gls, 40pts, 18:56 (82gms, 32gls, 67pts)
TOR M.Grabovski (27): 45gms, 18gls, 36pts, 17:22 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts)
4) SJS L.Couture (22): 48gms, 21gls, 38pts, 18:24 (82gms, 36gls, 65pts)
5) NJD A.Henrique (21): 43gms, 13gls, 34pts, 18:24 (82gms, 25gls, 65pts)
6) DAL M.Ribeiro (31): 42gms, 10gls, 33pts, 19:24 (82gms, 20gls, 64pts)
7) VAN R.Kesler (27): 45gms, 14gls, 34pts, 20:04 (82gms, 26gls, 62pts)
8) PHI D.Briere (34): 43gms, 13gls, 30pts, 18:16 (82gms, 25gls, 57pts)
9) DET H.Zetterberg (31): 51gms, 9gls, 35pts, 19:22 (82gms, 15gls, 56pts)
10) MTL T.Plekanec (29): 50gms, 10gls, 33pts, 20:46 (82gms, 16gls, 54pts)
11) NAS D.Legwand (31): 47gms, 13gls, 31pts, 18:35 (82gms, 23gls, 54pts)
12) ANA S.Koivu (37): 42gms, 9gls, 27pts, 17:55 (82gms, 18gls, 53pts)
13) TOR T.Bozak (25): 42gms, 8gls, 27pts, 18:06 (82gms, 16gls, 53pts)
14) COL P.Stastny (26): 49gms, 13gls, 31pts, 18:39 (82gms, 22gls, 52pts)
15) NYR D.Stepan (21): 49gms, 10gls, 31pts, 18:46 (82gms, 17gls, 52pts)
TOR T.Connolly (30): 39gms, 7gls, 24pts, 17:20 (82gms, 15gls, 51pts)
16) LAK M.Richards (26): 43gms, 14gls, 26pts, 19:12 (82gms, 27gls, 50pts)
17) MIN M.Cullen (35): 49gms, 11gls, 29pts, 18:38 (82gms, 18gls, 49pts)
18) WAS M.Johansson (21): 48gms, 10gls, 28pts, 16:08 (82gms, 17gls, 48pts)
19) CHI D.Bolland (25): 47gms, 15gls, 26pts, 16:10 (82gms, 26gls, 45pts)
20) CAR J.Jokinen (28): 49gms, 7gls, 27pts, 17:25 (82gms, 12gls, 45pts)
21) OTT K.Turris (22): 26gms, 5gls, 14pts, 16:23 (82gms, 16gls, 44pts)
22) WPG B.Little (24): 43gms, 11gls, 22pts, 19:51 (82gms, 21gls, 42pts)
23) EDM S.Horcoff (33): 50gms, 9gls, 25pts, 20:29 (82gms, 15gls, 41pts)
24) STL J.Arnott (37): 48gms, 12gls, 24pts, 14:34 (82gms, 21gls, 41pts)
25) NYI F.Nielsen (27): 49gms, 7gls, 22pts, 17:31 (82gms, 12gls, 37pts)
26) PHX D.Langkow (35): 42gms, 7gls, 19pts, 16:54 (82gms, 14gls, 37pts)
27) CLM A.Vermette (29): 51gms, 6gls, 21pts, 17:21 (82gms, 10gls, 34pts)
28) FLA S.Matthias (23): 48gms, 9gls, 18pts, 14:09 (82gms, 15gls, 31pts)
29) BUF J.Hecht (34): 22gms, 4gls, 8pts, 16:50 (82gms, 15gls, 30pts)
30) CAL M.Backlund (22): 36gms, 4gls, 10pts, 15:35 (82gms, 9gls, 23pts)


#3 Centres

TOR M.Grabovski (27): 45gms, 18gls, 36pts, 17:22 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts)
TOR T.Bozak (25): 42gms, 8gls, 27pts, 18:06 (82gms, 16gls, 53pts)
1) PIT J.Staal (23): 34gms, 15gls, 21pts, 20:24 (82gms, 36gls, 51pts)
2) COL M.Duchene (20): 39gms, 12gls, 24pts, 17:13 (82gms, 25gls, 51pts)
3) TOR T.Connolly (30): 39gms, 7gls, 24pts, 17:20 (82gms, 15gls, 51pts)
4) VAN C.Hodgson (21): 50gms, 14gls, 30pts, 12:42 (82gms, 23gls, 49pts)
5) MIN K.Brodziak (27): 50gms, 14gls, 27pts, 18:19 (82gms, 23gls, 44pts)
6) WAS B.Laich (28): 50gms, 10gls, 26pts, 19:23 (82gms, 16gls, 43pts)
7) BOS C.Kelly (31): 48gms, 14gls, 24pts, 14:39 (82gms, 24gls, 41pts)
8) NYR A.Anisimov (23): 48gms, 7gls, 22pts, 14:56 (82gms, 12gls, 38pts)
9) PHI M.Talbot (27): 49gms, 12gls, 22pts, 16:06 (82gms, 20gls, 37pts)
10) OTT Z.Smith (23): 53gms, 12gls, 22pts, 14:58 (82gms, 19gls, 34pts)
11) STL P.Berglund (23): 49gms, 12gls, 20pts, 17:50 (82gms, 20gls, 34pts)
12) SJS M.Handzus (34): 47gms, 4gls, 19pts, 15:01 (82gms, 7gls, 33pts)
13) ANA A.Cogliano (24): 50gms, 11gls, 20pts, 14:38 (82gms, 18gls, 33pts)
14) WPG A.Burmistrov (20): 45gms, 9gls, 18pts, 17:10 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts)
15) CLM D.Brassard (24): 43gms, 7gls, 17pts, 15:06 (82gms, 13gls, 32pts)
16) TBL D.Moore (31): 49gms, 4gls, 19pts, 16:11 (82gms, 7gls, 32pts)
17) CAR B.Sutter (22): 52gms, 11gls, 20pts, 17:26 (82gms, 17gls, 32pts)
18) CHI B.Morrison (36): 28gms, 4gls, 11pts, 13:45 (82gms, 12gls, 32pts)
19) NJD T.Zajac (26): 8gms, 1gls, 3pts, 17:20 (82gms, 10gls, 31pts)
20) DAL V.Fiddler (31): 49gms, 7gls, 18pts, 13:55 (82gms, 12gls, 30pts)
21) PHX B.Gordon (28): 44gms, 5gls, 16pts, 15:44 (82gms, 9gls, 30pts)
22) MTL S.Gomez (32): 20gms, 0gls, 7pts, 15:30 (82gms, 0gls, 29pts)
23) FLA M.Goc (28): 27gms, 5gls, 9pts, 17:16 (82gms, 15gls, 27pts)
24) NAS N.Spaling (23): 46gms, 7gls, 15pts, 16:05 (82gms, 13gls, 27pts)
25) DET D.Helm (24): 47gms, 5gls, 15pts, 14:26 (82gms, 9gls, 26pts)
26) BUF P.Gaustad (29): 45gms, 5gls, 13pts, 14:36 (82gms, 9gls, 24pts)
27) LAK J.Stoll (29): 51gms, 5gls, 14pts, 16:59 (82gms, 8gls, 23pts)
28) NYI J.Bailey (22): 49gms, 5gls, 13pts, 14:43 (82gms, 8gls, 22pts)
29) EDM E.Belanger (34): 47gms, 2gls, 11pts, 15:32 (82gms, 4gls, 19pts)
30) CAL M.Stajan (28): 30gms, 1gls, 6pts, 10:34 (82gms, 3gls, 16pts)

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Yes he is a NHL TOP LINE C. Absolutely 100%, he was drafted by Montreal with those expectations which is public knowledge if you want to read.
Grabovski was selected by Montreal Canadiens round 5 #150 overall 2004 NHL Entry Draft.

Are most 5th rounders selected with the belief that they will be future top line players?

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Grabovski was selected by Montreal Canadiens round 5 #150 overall 2004 NHL Entry Draft.

Are most 5th rounders selected with the belief that they will be future top line players?
Go look at the "who got the biggest steal of the draft" threads the day after the draft. Its full of people claiming their 5th rd pick is going to be a future 1st liner.

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Not to say anything one way or the other, but just for interest's sake let's line up all the "#1" and "#2" centres in the league - not the top-30 or top-60, but the guys who actually fill those roles for their current teams.

I'll insert all three leafs centres on each list. I'd like to add more than just offensive totals but this is gonna take me long enough as is, and the three Leafs' centres are pretty good all-around players anyways.


#1 Centres

1) PIT S.Crosby (24): 8gms, 2gls, 12pts, 19:15 (82gms, 21gls, 123pts)
2) PHI C.Giroux (23): 45gms, 18gls, 55pts, 21:50 (82gms, 33gls, 100pts)
3) WAS N.Backstrom (24): 38gms, 13gls, 42pts, 19:10 (82gms, 28gls, 91pts)
4) TBL S.Stamkos (21): 49gms, 33gls, 54pts, 21:17 (82gms, 55gls, 90pts)
5) NYI J.Tavares (21): 49gms, 22gls, 53pts, 20:01 (82gms, 37gls, 89pts)
6) DET P.Datsyuk (33): 50gms, 14gls, 53pts, 19:02 (82gms, 23gls, 87pts)
7) VAN H.Sedin (31): 50gms, 11gls, 53pts, 19:18 (82gms, 18gls, 87pts)
8) DAL J.Benn (22): 44gms, 14gls, 45pts, 18:11 (82gms, 26gls, 84pts)
9) CHI J.Toews (23): 50gms, 27gls, 51pts, 20:51 (82gms, 44gls, 84pts)
10) NJD P.Elias (35): 48gms, 18gls, 47pts, 20:31 (82gms, 31gls, 80pts)
11) OTT J.Spezza (28): 53gms, 20gls, 50pts, 20:09 (82gms, 31gls, 77pts)
12) EDM R.Hopkins (18): 38gms, 13gls, 35pts, 17:20 (82gms, 28gls, 76pts)
13) BOS P.Bergeron (26): 48gms, 15gls, 43pts, 18:38 (82gms, 26gls, 74pts)
14) LAK A.Kopitar (24): 51gms, 15gls, 45pts, 21:53 (82gms, 24gls, 72pts)
15) SJS J.Thornton (32): 48gms, 10gls, 41pts, 20:35 (82gms, 17gls, 70pts)
16) MIN M.Koivu (28): 41gms, 9gls, 33pts, 20:56 (82gms, 18gls, 66pts)
17) FLA S.Weiss (28): 47gms, 13gls, 38pts, 20:26 (82gms, 23gls, 66pts)
18) TOR M.Grabovski (27): 45gms, 18gls, 36pts, 17:22 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts)
19) CAL O.Jokinen (33): 51gms, 12gls, 39pts, 18:48 (82gms, 19gls, 63pts)
20) STL D.Backes (27): 49gms, 16gls, 37pts, 19:49 (82gms, 27gls, 62pts)
21) COL R.O'Reilly (20): 51gms, 14gls, 37pts, 19:00 (82gms, 23gls, 60pts)
22) CAR E.Staal (27): 52gms, 11gls, 37pts, 21:33 (82gms, 17gls, 58pts)
23) MTL D.Desharnais (25): 50gms, 9gls, 35pts, 17:52 (82gms, 15gls, 57pts)
24) NAS M.Fisher (31): 43gms, 14gls, 30pts, 19:06 (82gms, 27gls, 57pts)
25) ANA R.Getzlaf (26): 50gms, 8gls, 34pts, 21:45 (82gms, 13gls, 56pts)
26) NYR B.Richards (31): 49gms, 16gls, 33pts, 20:25 (82gms, 27gls, 55pts)
TOR T.Bozak (25): 42gms, 8gls, 27pts, 18:06 (82gms, 16gls, 53pts)
27) WPG N.Antropov (31): 43gms, 8gls, 27pts, 17:56 (82gms, 15gls, 52pts)
TOR T.Connolly (30): 39gms, 7gls, 24pts, 17:20 (82gms, 15gls, 51pts)
28) CLM J.Carter (26): 30gms, 10gls, 17pts, 19:58 (82gms, 27gls, 47pts)
29) PHX M.Hanzal (24): 37gms, 5gls, 20pts, 18:48 (82gms, 11gls, 44pts)
30) BUF D.Roy (28): 49gms, 9gls, 25pts, 18:48 (82gms, 15gls, 42pts)



#2 Centres

1) PIT E.Malkin (25): 44gms, 27gls, 59pts, 21:21 (82gms, 50gls, 110pts)
2) BOS D.Krejci (25): 45gms, 11gls, 39pts, 18:01 (82gms, 20gls, 71pts)
3) TBL V.Lecavalier (31): 49gms, 19gls, 40pts, 18:56 (82gms, 32gls, 67pts)
TOR M.Grabovski (27): 45gms, 18gls, 36pts, 17:22 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts)
4) SJS L.Couture (22): 48gms, 21gls, 38pts, 18:24 (82gms, 36gls, 65pts)
5) NJD A.Henrique (21): 43gms, 13gls, 34pts, 18:24 (82gms, 25gls, 65pts)
6) DAL M.Ribeiro (31): 42gms, 10gls, 33pts, 19:24 (82gms, 20gls, 64pts)
7) VAN R.Kesler (27): 45gms, 14gls, 34pts, 20:04 (82gms, 26gls, 62pts)
8) PHI D.Briere (34): 43gms, 13gls, 30pts, 18:16 (82gms, 25gls, 57pts)
9) DET H.Zetterberg (31): 51gms, 9gls, 35pts, 19:22 (82gms, 15gls, 56pts)
10) MTL T.Plekanec (29): 50gms, 10gls, 33pts, 20:46 (82gms, 16gls, 54pts)
11) NAS D.Legwand (31): 47gms, 13gls, 31pts, 18:35 (82gms, 23gls, 54pts)
12) ANA S.Koivu (37): 42gms, 9gls, 27pts, 17:55 (82gms, 18gls, 53pts)
13) TOR T.Bozak (25): 42gms, 8gls, 27pts, 18:06 (82gms, 16gls, 53pts)
14) COL P.Stastny (26): 49gms, 13gls, 31pts, 18:39 (82gms, 22gls, 52pts)
15) NYR D.Stepan (21): 49gms, 10gls, 31pts, 18:46 (82gms, 17gls, 52pts)
TOR T.Connolly (30): 39gms, 7gls, 24pts, 17:20 (82gms, 15gls, 51pts)
16) LAK M.Richards (26): 43gms, 14gls, 26pts, 19:12 (82gms, 27gls, 50pts)
17) MIN M.Cullen (35): 49gms, 11gls, 29pts, 18:38 (82gms, 18gls, 49pts)
18) WAS M.Johansson (21): 48gms, 10gls, 28pts, 16:08 (82gms, 17gls, 48pts)
19) CHI D.Bolland (25): 47gms, 15gls, 26pts, 16:10 (82gms, 26gls, 45pts)
20) CAR J.Jokinen (28): 49gms, 7gls, 27pts, 17:25 (82gms, 12gls, 45pts)
21) OTT K.Turris (22): 26gms, 5gls, 14pts, 16:23 (82gms, 16gls, 44pts)
22) WPG B.Little (24): 43gms, 11gls, 22pts, 19:51 (82gms, 21gls, 42pts)
23) EDM S.Horcoff (33): 50gms, 9gls, 25pts, 20:29 (82gms, 15gls, 41pts)
24) STL J.Arnott (37): 48gms, 12gls, 24pts, 14:34 (82gms, 21gls, 41pts)
25) NYI F.Nielsen (27): 49gms, 7gls, 22pts, 17:31 (82gms, 12gls, 37pts)
26) PHX D.Langkow (35): 42gms, 7gls, 19pts, 16:54 (82gms, 14gls, 37pts)
27) CLM A.Vermette (29): 51gms, 6gls, 21pts, 17:21 (82gms, 10gls, 34pts)
28) FLA S.Matthias (23): 48gms, 9gls, 18pts, 14:09 (82gms, 15gls, 31pts)
29) BUF J.Hecht (34): 22gms, 4gls, 8pts, 16:50 (82gms, 15gls, 30pts)
30) CAL M.Backlund (22): 36gms, 4gls, 10pts, 15:35 (82gms, 9gls, 23pts)


#3 Centres

TOR M.Grabovski (27): 45gms, 18gls, 36pts, 17:22 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts)
TOR T.Bozak (25): 42gms, 8gls, 27pts, 18:06 (82gms, 16gls, 53pts)
1) PIT J.Staal (23): 34gms, 15gls, 21pts, 20:24 (82gms, 36gls, 51pts)
2) COL M.Duchene (20): 39gms, 12gls, 24pts, 17:13 (82gms, 25gls, 51pts)
3) TOR T.Connolly (30): 39gms, 7gls, 24pts, 17:20 (82gms, 15gls, 51pts)
4) VAN C.Hodgson (21): 50gms, 14gls, 30pts, 12:42 (82gms, 23gls, 49pts)
5) MIN K.Brodziak (27): 50gms, 14gls, 27pts, 18:19 (82gms, 23gls, 44pts)
6) WAS B.Laich (28): 50gms, 10gls, 26pts, 19:23 (82gms, 16gls, 43pts)
7) BOS C.Kelly (31): 48gms, 14gls, 24pts, 14:39 (82gms, 24gls, 41pts)
8) NYR A.Anisimov (23): 48gms, 7gls, 22pts, 14:56 (82gms, 12gls, 38pts)
9) PHI M.Talbot (27): 49gms, 12gls, 22pts, 16:06 (82gms, 20gls, 37pts)
10) OTT Z.Smith (23): 53gms, 12gls, 22pts, 14:58 (82gms, 19gls, 34pts)
11) STL P.Berglund (23): 49gms, 12gls, 20pts, 17:50 (82gms, 20gls, 34pts)
12) SJS M.Handzus (34): 47gms, 4gls, 19pts, 15:01 (82gms, 7gls, 33pts)
13) ANA A.Cogliano (24): 50gms, 11gls, 20pts, 14:38 (82gms, 18gls, 33pts)
14) WPG A.Burmistrov (20): 45gms, 9gls, 18pts, 17:10 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts)
15) CLM D.Brassard (24): 43gms, 7gls, 17pts, 15:06 (82gms, 13gls, 32pts)
16) TBL D.Moore (31): 49gms, 4gls, 19pts, 16:11 (82gms, 7gls, 32pts)
17) CAR B.Sutter (22): 52gms, 11gls, 20pts, 17:26 (82gms, 17gls, 32pts)
18) CHI B.Morrison (36): 28gms, 4gls, 11pts, 13:45 (82gms, 12gls, 32pts)
19) NJD T.Zajac (26): 8gms, 1gls, 3pts, 17:20 (82gms, 10gls, 31pts)
20) DAL V.Fiddler (31): 49gms, 7gls, 18pts, 13:55 (82gms, 12gls, 30pts)
21) PHX B.Gordon (28): 44gms, 5gls, 16pts, 15:44 (82gms, 9gls, 30pts)
22) MTL S.Gomez (32): 20gms, 0gls, 7pts, 15:30 (82gms, 0gls, 29pts)
23) FLA M.Goc (28): 27gms, 5gls, 9pts, 17:16 (82gms, 15gls, 27pts)
24) NAS N.Spaling (23): 46gms, 7gls, 15pts, 16:05 (82gms, 13gls, 27pts)
25) DET D.Helm (24): 47gms, 5gls, 15pts, 14:26 (82gms, 9gls, 26pts)
26) BUF P.Gaustad (29): 45gms, 5gls, 13pts, 14:36 (82gms, 9gls, 24pts)
27) LAK J.Stoll (29): 51gms, 5gls, 14pts, 16:59 (82gms, 8gls, 23pts)
28) NYI J.Bailey (22): 49gms, 5gls, 13pts, 14:43 (82gms, 8gls, 22pts)
29) EDM E.Belanger (34): 47gms, 2gls, 11pts, 15:32 (82gms, 4gls, 19pts)
30) CAL M.Stajan (28): 30gms, 1gls, 6pts, 10:34 (82gms, 3gls, 16pts)

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Thanks zeke. The numbers don't line he is a middle of the pack 1st line Center and one of the better 2nd line centers in the league. I cringe when I here the argument from guys who don't think he is a top team second line center ,that if he was on a good team he wouldn't get the opportunities he does with the Leafs. How does that make sense? Most of these so called "REAL" second lines centers are getting the same opportunities surrounded by "Better Players" yet they can't even put up the stats a Grabovski can. Why would you put him on the 3rd line when he can out produce your second line center? Idiotic.

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He's a 1st liner on a middling or lower end team. He's a 2nd liner on a good team (which is what we're trying to be). 30G-60pts, amazing work ethic and responsible defensive play is exactly what you're looking for from your 2nd line center.

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Yes. Unlike Bozak, Grabo will take a hit, get up, and play harder for it. He outworks Bozak and has more skills and smarts. Bozak could never make a play like he did when he set up Mac for that GWG against the Isles.

I really reaally reaaaaally want to see him center Kessel and see what happens.

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Go look at the "who got the biggest steal of the draft" threads the day after the draft. Its full of people claiming their 5th rd pick is going to be a future 1st liner.
So are we saying those people were correct?

If so, then that is pretty good talent evaluation.

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