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02-02-2012, 05:49 PM
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Just to be fair. (Hasek/Miller)

Congrats to Miller for surpassing Hasek's Buffalo Career Win total.

BUT

In all fairness, Hasek's time here was spent during the era of ties being recorded which took away potential wins as well as losses that may have come in a shootout off of that record.

So, 491 GP = 234-187-70

Hasek had 70 ties in his Buffalo career. Today, those games would go into a shootout. Easily split it 50/50 and his win total is bumped up to about 270.

Whereas Miller's SO record is

05-06: 3
06-07: 10
07-08: 4
08-09: 8
09-10: 4
10-11: 2
Current season: 1

Subtract those SO wins, which would have been counted as ties when Hasek was playing, and Miller is bumped down 32 wins to 202.

Just my observation. Bash me, get mad at me, do what you will. Just figure I'd share.

But again, Congratulations to Miller for matching the Wins record.

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02-02-2012, 05:59 PM
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That's beside that simple fact that Hasek remains the greatest goaltender to ever play the game.

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Nobody is going to bash you.

Dominik Hasek, plain and simple, is arguably the best goaltender in a generation.

That's not bashing Ryan Miller.

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Miller himself said this in an interview after the Montreal game. He said he wants to keep pushing for the regulation wins mark and that Hasek would have won a lot of shootouts if he could. So I don't think anyone's going to bash you.

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Miller hasn't surpassed it yet. He's only tied it as of now.

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02-02-2012, 07:41 PM
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Isn't he tied with Hasek?

Taro Tsujimoto beat me to it.

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The point you're making is completely valid, logical, and fair.

However, it's truly just delaying the inevitable. He's going to be here for a few more years at least (something I'm perfectly okay with) and would likely end up "officially" passing Hasek next year.

Congrats to Miller is in order.

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The point you're making is completely valid, logical, and fair.

However, it's truly just delaying the inevitable. He's going to be here for a few more years at least (something I'm perfectly okay with) and would likely end up "officially" passing Hasek next year.

Congrats to Miller is in order.
Seriously, and I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but to assume any of these players on this roster will be here in a few years is a bit presumptuous.

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Seriously, and I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but to assume any of these players on this roster will be here in a few years is a bit presumptuous.
I really don't think it is with Miller. I could very well be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that even the new regime looks at him as a top-end starting goalie.

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God I miss Dom....

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Seriously, and I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but to assume any of these players on this roster will be here in a few years is a bit presumptuous.
Miller won't need a few years. He'll add a few more wins this year, and should have a very good shot at it next year (25+ reg/OT wins is certainly doable if he stays healthy). And I have no doubt he will be a Sabre next season (whether he should or not is a totally different subject that can be debated ad nauseum in other threads).

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02-03-2012, 12:41 AM
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My bad, I totally contradicted myself in my original post.

I opened by saying surpassed, closed with saying matching.

Well, hopefully in the near future Miller can get one more win to actually surpass.

But yes, I wanna see Dom back again. Hasek's career in his prime is one of the top goalie performances ever seen in this league.

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Honestly I'm just glad that he was ever here in the first place. The guy is the best goalie duringt at least my lifetime, maybe even ever. He was IMO a good goalie still when he retired.


BUT tbh this threaed is kind of a moot point considering the fact that rules are different now then they were then. Sure hasek would have won a lot of shootouts, but don't take away from the honor that it is to be even able to tie a record he holds. Almost as big as getting close to one of Gretzkys....though not TOO close...

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BUT tbh this threaed is kind of a moot point considering the fact that rules are different now then they were then. Sure hasek would have won a lot of shootouts, but don't take away from the honor that it is to be even able to tie a record he holds. Almost as big as getting close to one of Gretzkys....though not TOO close...
I know, and I mentioned that. Just an observation and opinion of mine to share.

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No one is saying that the wins record means that Miller is better than Hasek.

That's no slam on Miller either. It's just an unfair standard to hold Miller to. Hasek was the best of all-time.

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Miller acknowledges he's had the benefit of padding his victory total over Hasek as a result of the NHL introducing the shootout in 2005-'06. Miller's record is 234-141-47, with 32 wins coming in the shootout. Hasek went 234-170-70 in Buffalo without the benefit of shootout victories.

Miller once wore No. 39, the same number as Hasek. It was only after the Sabres drafted Miller out of Michigan State and he turned pro he switched to No. 30 to not draw comparisons to Hasek
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=386841

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