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02-03-2012, 10:34 PM
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Bergeron's 18-19 minutes are the most sheltered minutes in the NHL. The stats for it are out there.

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Also Kabs is 33, which is not really that old for a primarily puck moving dman, what means its down hill.... his numbers over the last 5 years show about the same PPG pace (remove two months in Carolina where he just had no chemistry on that team).
Both have incredibly sheltered minutes (the microstats show they're pretty much the most sheltered regulars on their teams).

Kabs is on the downhill, he lost a ton of ice-time after the first round in the playoffs. Carolina just shows he can't handle hard minutes anymore.

As I said, he's not grossly overpaid and brings something we need on the blue line (experience), but he is overpaid. And on an intermediate term too.

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First, I hope you're not talking about UFA's because just because we have the money does not mean they would automatically sign here. So if we're talking about loosing Subban or Price then ya, let's reserve judgement until we loose either.

We will disagree on our respective talent analysis of Kaberle. I do NOT categorize him as a PP specialist. He brings so much more. He's a fantastic passer, fluid skater, great vision and overall an above average offensive awareness. He lacks strength and ferocity in our zone which limits his takeaway ability but his breakouts are effortless when he does have the puck. This type of player just SCREAMS a stud defensive partner to form a very effective pairing.

MAB is getting paid 1 million because he's on the extreme end of the spectrum. Completely incompetent in the defensive zone with his erratic play and unforced turnover. Kaberle is no where near as bad.

Also CBJ can keep Wiz and his ridiculous price tag. I would have never paid him that kind of money for what he brings to the table.
As per CapGeek.com:
Gomez, Scott $7,357,143
Plekanec, Tomas $5,000,000
Gionta, Brian $5,000,000
Cole, Erik $4,500,000
Bourque, Rene $3,333,333
Pacioretty, Max $1,625,000
Leblanc, Louis $1,170,000
Desharnais, David $850,000

Ok that's about $29M for these 8 forwards under contract next season.

You need to sign at least 4 more forwards. Unless you don't want Eller back next season he should get a raise. We can't guess how much of a raise he will get but let's assume a team might pay a guy like Eller $2M next season and the Habs decide to match it.

Kostitsyn isn't breaking the bank at $3.2M for a big 25 goal scorer. It's fair to say that the Habs might want to replace his 25 goals next season if he goes elsewhere they can expect to have to pay around $3M for that kind of production.

If you consider Darche and White coming back next season for about $1.5M for both to complete your 12 forwards, you are now looking at $35.5M


Now for defense. Assuming Markov plays next season because he has plenty of time to let his knee heal:
Markov, Andrei $5,750,000
Kaberle, Tomas $4,250,000
Gorges, Josh $3,900,000

Ok so for these 3 vets you are paying about $14M

PK is going to be offered at least $4M by some team. We all know that. Sure he had a hard year but he's got star written all over him. Last season Drew Doughty was making the same money as PK this season. His cap hit this season is $7M. Jack Johnson production this season is similar to Pk's and his cap hit is $4.3M. Meszaros is making $4M, Seabrook $5.8M, Goligoski $4.6M. So let's just say $4M as his cap hit next season.

Emelin is doing ok for his first NHL season and can give that big hit. I expect him to at least match last this years salary of $1M

Diaz has been a surprise to me this season paying pretty well in his own end, expect the Habs to also keep onto him for next season for about $1M.

So for 6 defense men, they are looking at about $20M

Now the roster has 21 players and 2 goalies. so you can throw in any other forward or defense for lets make it simple another $1M

So they are now at $56.5M

So finally for the goalies:

Budaj, Peter $1,150,000

Price was making $2.7M this season. He sucks balls this season. 26th in Save%, 29th in GAA. 18th in wins.. YET he still makes it to the all star game. lol!! (Like there wasn't a little bit of pushing to get him in there by the Habs.) But he had a good season last year and he's still only 24. I have no clue what his value is on the market right now. Goalies can go from good to bad every other season. Thomas won the Vezina, almost lost his spot to Rask the following season to then go on to win the cup and is kick ass again. Fleury is a great goalie who won the cup also and has similar numbers to Price this season. Same for Cam ward. He won the cup and has also been a disappointment in the recent seasons. But Price's numbers resemble those of Ward this season too.. Even Luongo has similar stats to Price this season. So Fleury $5M, Ward $6.3M, $Luongo 5.3M, Thomas, $5M, and let's not forget the goalie the Canadiens believe inferior to Price, Halak at $3.7M So you want to have a safe bet and the Habs offer him at least $4M to say he's worth more than a Halak, then let's go with $4M

So that's about $5.1 for goalies for a grand total of about $62M salary next seasons for the players above.

We don't know what the cap will be next season. But there are a lot of teams who lost a lot of money this season and last.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/sports...7AT2GX20111130
"Last season 18 of the league's 30 teams lost money even before they had to pay bank loans or write down assets, compared with 16 the prior year, Forbes said."

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/#p_1_s_a0_
18 of 30 teams DID NOT report a positive income. So more than half the teams lost money. If it wasn't for revenue sharing, things might have been really ugly for those teams. Will the cap go up next season with the new CBA? "Me" thinks not..

So if we assume NO increase in the salary cap and it stays at about $64 next season, the Habs can't go out and sign any free agents which can make the team better unless they rid themselves of Gomez and his $7.3M but no mater what, there isn't one GM who will trade for Gomez now. He's much worse than he was when the Habs went out to get him and if the team decides to send him down to Hamilton they will still have to pay him his salary.. $7.3M off your profit margin hurts a lot. They might buy him out but part of his salary wills till count towards the cap for the next 6 years if the next CBA is similar to this one.

So what can you expect from the above team who is at this point of the season in last place in the east with Markov back in the line-up but without Gill and Moen??? Will they bounce back and become a top 4 team in the east or scrap by to make the play-offs or worse yet be at the same stage (last place) next season?

So now it's the summer and the Habs want to improve their team. They don't think the team above can go from last to first. The GM looks at some available free agents available. He reads names such as Semin $6.7M, Parise $6M, Penner $4.2M, Rozsival $5M, Wideman $3.8M, Hemsky $4.1M or RFA, Weber $7.5M Duchene $3.4M, Stewart. $2.8M, Hedman $3.5M, Green $5.2M, Kane $3.1M, etc.

So basically if the Habs want to improve the team next season the have no choice but to get rid of Gomez because they can't afford anything over $2M and that is considering there are no injuries. If you call up players to replace injured players not on LTIR, you have to count the replacing player's salary into account to the total of $64M

So now had they not signed Kaberle they would have had another $4.2M to play with on top of the the $2M ($6.2M). And if they chose to not resign Kostitsyn for about $3M giving them $9.2M to sign someone) they could have gone after Semin or Parise without having to send Gomez down or buy him out. They could have even made a pitch for Weber but you can't with Kaberle on your payroll. Unless they send Kaberle down to Hamilton or buy him out. But is you send Kaberle down aren't you admitting that it was a mistake to go and get him?

But whatever the situation, nothing short of Parise or Weber will make a big impact on the team next season.

So the last option is making trades. But the Habs have very little to trade that won't be a lateral move. The only people I see feasible to trade cap wise is Plekanec or Gionta. But again that almost become a lateral move unless you give away picks or prospects and again what will Lecavalier do more than Plekanec if that is the only improvement next season?

That's it for me.. Bed time...

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After firing Ghost, Habs should hire a Cliff Fletcher type, a respected old pro to do a clean up job like Fletcher did for the Leafs. Fire the vets(Moen, Gill, Gionta, Gomez) and cruise for the rest of the season.

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I am looking forward to the job that Gauthier is doing and I really feel he will turn the franchise back into the championship team it has been in the past,My biggest hope is that he will still be GM when its a success again.

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As per CapGeek.com:
Gomez, Scott $7,357,143
Plekanec, Tomas $5,000,000
Gionta, Brian $5,000,000
Cole, Erik $4,500,000
Bourque, Rene $3,333,333
Pacioretty, Max $1,625,000
Leblanc, Louis $1,170,000
Desharnais, David $850,000

Ok that's about $29M for these 8 forwards under contract next season.

You need to sign at least 4 more forwards. Unless you don't want Eller back next season he should get a raise. We can't guess how much of a raise he will get but let's assume a team might pay a guy like Eller $2M next season and the Habs decide to match it.

Kostitsyn isn't breaking the bank at $3.2M for a big 25 goal scorer. It's fair to say that the Habs might want to replace his 25 goals next season if he goes elsewhere they can expect to have to pay around $3M for that kind of production.

If you consider Darche and White coming back next season for about $1.5M for both to complete your 12 forwards, you are now looking at $35.5M


Now for defense. Assuming Markov plays next season because he has plenty of time to let his knee heal:
Markov, Andrei $5,750,000
Kaberle, Tomas $4,250,000
Gorges, Josh $3,900,000

Ok so for these 3 vets you are paying about $14M

PK is going to be offered at least $4M by some team. We all know that. Sure he had a hard year but he's got star written all over him. Last season Drew Doughty was making the same money as PK this season. His cap hit this season is $7M. Jack Johnson production this season is similar to Pk's and his cap hit is $4.3M. Meszaros is making $4M, Seabrook $5.8M, Goligoski $4.6M. So let's just say $4M as his cap hit next season.

Emelin is doing ok for his first NHL season and can give that big hit. I expect him to at least match last this years salary of $1M

Diaz has been a surprise to me this season paying pretty well in his own end, expect the Habs to also keep onto him for next season for about $1M.

So for 6 defense men, they are looking at about $20M

Now the roster has 21 players and 2 goalies. so you can throw in any other forward or defense for lets make it simple another $1M

So they are now at $56.5M

So finally for the goalies:

Budaj, Peter $1,150,000

Price was making $2.7M this season. He sucks balls this season. 26th in Save%, 29th in GAA. 18th in wins.. YET he still makes it to the all star game. lol!! (Like there wasn't a little bit of pushing to get him in there by the Habs.) But he had a good season last year and he's still only 24. I have no clue what his value is on the market right now. Goalies can go from good to bad every other season. Thomas won the Vezina, almost lost his spot to Rask the following season to then go on to win the cup and is kick ass again. Fleury is a great goalie who won the cup also and has similar numbers to Price this season. Same for Cam ward. He won the cup and has also been a disappointment in the recent seasons. But Price's numbers resemble those of Ward this season too.. Even Luongo has similar stats to Price this season. So Fleury $5M, Ward $6.3M, $Luongo 5.3M, Thomas, $5M, and let's not forget the goalie the Canadiens believe inferior to Price, Halak at $3.7M So you want to have a safe bet and the Habs offer him at least $4M to say he's worth more than a Halak, then let's go with $4M

So that's about $5.1 for goalies for a grand total of about $62M salary next seasons for the players above.

We don't know what the cap will be next season. But there are a lot of teams who lost a lot of money this season and last.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/sports...7AT2GX20111130
"Last season 18 of the league's 30 teams lost money even before they had to pay bank loans or write down assets, compared with 16 the prior year, Forbes said."

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/#p_1_s_a0_
18 of 30 teams DID NOT report a positive income. So more than half the teams lost money. If it wasn't for revenue sharing, things might have been really ugly for those teams. Will the cap go up next season with the new CBA? "Me" thinks not..

So if we assume NO increase in the salary cap and it stays at about $64 next season, the Habs can't go out and sign any free agents which can make the team better unless they rid themselves of Gomez and his $7.3M but no mater what, there isn't one GM who will trade for Gomez now. He's much worse than he was when the Habs went out to get him and if the team decides to send him down to Hamilton they will still have to pay him his salary.. $7.3M off your profit margin hurts a lot. They might buy him out but part of his salary wills till count towards the cap for the next 6 years if the next CBA is similar to this one.

So what can you expect from the above team who is at this point of the season in last place in the east with Markov back in the line-up but without Gill and Moen??? Will they bounce back and become a top 4 team in the east or scrap by to make the play-offs or worse yet be at the same stage (last place) next season?

So now it's the summer and the Habs want to improve their team. They don't think the team above can go from last to first. The GM looks at some available free agents available. He reads names such as Semin $6.7M, Parise $6M, Penner $4.2M, Rozsival $5M, Wideman $3.8M, Hemsky $4.1M or RFA, Weber $7.5M Duchene $3.4M, Stewart. $2.8M, Hedman $3.5M, Green $5.2M, Kane $3.1M, etc.

So basically if the Habs want to improve the team next season the have no choice but to get rid of Gomez because they can't afford anything over $2M and that is considering there are no injuries. If you call up players to replace injured players not on LTIR, you have to count the replacing player's salary into account to the total of $64M

So now had they not signed Kaberle they would have had another $4.2M to play with on top of the the $2M ($6.2M). And if they chose to not resign Kostitsyn for about $3M giving them $9.2M to sign someone) they could have gone after Semin or Parise without having to send Gomez down or buy him out. They could have even made a pitch for Weber but you can't with Kaberle on your payroll. Unless they send Kaberle down to Hamilton or buy him out. But is you send Kaberle down aren't you admitting that it was a mistake to go and get him?

But whatever the situation, nothing short of Parise or Weber will make a big impact on the team next season.

So the last option is making trades. But the Habs have very little to trade that won't be a lateral move. The only people I see feasible to trade cap wise is Plekanec or Gionta. But again that almost become a lateral move unless you give away picks or prospects and again what will Lecavalier do more than Plekanec if that is the only improvement next season?

That's it for me.. Bed time...
You didn't have to write all of this to say that the Gomez contract needed to be addressed in order to sit comfortably within the cap. I'm quite confident that this issue will be addressed whether it's through a trade, buyout, waivers, burried, a future CBA buy out clause or an increase in cap. I'll worry if the brass to be (Gauthier or whoever) isn't able to deal with the Gomez issue going forward.

Even then, money still needs to be spent towards your top 4 in order to be competitive. Even without Kaberle, going into a season with Markov, Gorges and Subban is still pretty weak imo. You still need an impact top 4 in order to make any noise. Now is there anyone at Kaberle's salary that can make a bigger difference? If you're looking at the UFA market, I highly doubt it.

I would be perfectly comfortable with a Markov-Gorges, Kaberle-Subban paring considering Subban sucks it up and subsequently steps it up to play a more defensively responsible role.MAybe Emelin surprises and becomes a stud shut down dman for a discount instead and you can let Subban or Kaberle loose against weaker opposition.

Point is there are way too many variables before you can judge that Kaberle's contract would be a hindrance and even then, I believe that money should be spent on our D regardless. You could have inserted Wiz instead but then you'd be in an even worse predicament cap wise. If you can find someone as talented as Kaberle or more for the same price. Great. Go for it. However that's a tall order imo.

I guess we can agree that all of this hinges on dealing with Gomez' contract which would be the biggest challenge in Gauthier's tenure should he remain with the club.

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Gauthier made absolutely no impact on Orange County hockey fans in his four-year tenure. He was not part of the community in any noticeable way. He was anonymous. He tended to make statements that weren't true, in the sense that soon after he'd said something wouldn't happen, it happened.

For instance, Gauthier said he wouldn't think about firing his coach. Then a month later, Craig Hartsburg was fired. He also said he'd never consider trading the team's two superstars, Paul Kariya and Teemu Selanne. Then, a month or so later, Selanne was traded and the die-hards of the dwindling Duck fan base became rightly nervous about Kariya's future in Anaheim.
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When Gauthier came to Anaheim, he said he had a plan. It would take three or four years of wise drafting and astute scouting. But with Kariya and Selanne as the base, what Duck fans would get would be a team built for longevity and several years of playoff success.

What they got was a team that grew progressively worse


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Less than 1 year after the article is written, the Ducks are one win away from the Stanley Cup, with a roster that is 90% of what Gauthier left behind.

Yup they were a lot worse than the team he took over.

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Funny they fired him, moved along and won a Stanley Cup

Can't believe this clown is still employed by the Habs

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CBC said they are hearing rumblings that Mtl is looking at Jeff Carter if true Gauthier Must go before he trades our 1st Rd Pick this year

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CBC said they are hearing rumblings that Mtl is looking at Jeff Carter if true Gauthier Must go before he trades our 1st Rd Pick this year
If CBJ trades Carter it won't be for players 2-3 years away, they'll want somebody coming back right away...Plekanec Eller Bourque etc They may be interested in Weber or Diaz.

I would definitely kick tires on Carter, but the price would have to be good. I think he could make a pretty good top line with Bourque and Plekanec.

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If CBJ trades Carter it won't be for players 2-3 years away, they'll want somebody coming back right away...Plekanec Eller Bourque etc They may be interested in Weber or Diaz.

I would definitely kick tires on Carter, but the price would have to be good. I think he could make a pretty good top line with Bourque and Plekanec.
I hope you see what you did there?

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I've been saying for 2 years how screwed this team is, but I think it's worse than I thought.

Where are the Gauthier fans pimping the Bourque and Kaberle trades?

Gauthier is sooooo exposed as an idiot the league should make a special award.

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I'm 110% sure once fired by the Montreal Canadiens Mr. Pierre Gauthier will never be hired ever again by an NHL team
as a dietician - massager -- poster price will hire him lol

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I've been saying for 2 years how screwed this team is, but I think it's worse than I thought.

Where are the Gauthier fans pimping the Bourque and Kaberle trades?

Gauthier is sooooo exposed as an idiot the league should make a special award.
ive been saying that for 4 years--- and regretfully i was right--

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I've been saying for 2 years how screwed this team is, but I think it's worse than I thought.

Where are the Gauthier fans pimping the Bourque and Kaberle trades?

Gauthier is sooooo exposed as an idiot the league should make a special award.
And they can decide on the name by a coin toss between the Mike Milbury or Bob Gainey Award.

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After firing Ghost, Habs should hire a Cliff Fletcher type, a respected old pro to do a clean up job like Fletcher did for the Leafs. Fire the vets(Moen, Gill, Gionta, Gomez) and cruise for the rest of the season.
Agreed.

It's time to give up trying to make the playoffs this year, and to start cleaning house. I doubt Ghost is willing to do that, so let's get rid of him and bring in a Cliff Flectcher type as interim GM to handle a firesale (here's the one use I could see for Serge Savard).

The only specific player I disagree with you on is Gionta. Because he's injured right now, and possibly out for the season, there's no way we'd get fair value for him.

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Agreed.

It's time to give up trying to make the playoffs this year, and to start cleaning house. I doubt Ghost is willing to do that, so let's get rid of him and bring in a Cliff Flectcher type as interim GM to handle a firesale (here's the one use I could see for Serge Savard).

The only specific player I disagree with you on is Gionta. Because he's injured right now, and possibly out for the season, there's no way we'd get fair value for him.
id like to see pleks being offered

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id like to see pleks being offered
I'd kick the tires on Pleks. I don't think he has to go, but if him and a couple expendable add-ons (guys like Weber, Darche, Moen, Gill, any mid-tier prospects or mid-round draft picks) could net us an actual No. 1 Center (or a top scoring winder) I'd do it.

Let's face it, Pleks is not a true No. 1 Center. He's a good 2nd Line Center that plays a good two-way game and is good on the PK. That's pretty much it.

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Gainey is responsible for most of the teams problem. It's a bit unfair to put all the blame on Gauthier. IMO he did a good job.

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ive been saying that for 4 years--- and regretfully i was right--
Ironic, considering Gauthier has been in office for 2..

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Gainey is responsible for most of the teams problem. It's a bit unfair to put all the blame on Gauthier. IMO he did a good job.
Yet, even if people want to believe that Gauthier couldn't have agreed with everything Gainey decided to, at some point, if you see some PROBLEM"S", Gauthier has to share the responsabilities. By being your assistant GM AND pro-scout, sorry, but it makes no sense to dissociate him. You can clearly see Gauthier as a control freak and it's probably more easy to think that Gainey doesn't have a whole lot of control over what Gauthier does than the contrary. Gainey was a guy who believed in having people around and ask them their opinion. And I really don't see how important decisions like he did with Gomez and some others, that Gauthier would have been totally against it and Gainey went and did it anyway.

See, most people agrees that Jim Nill HAS to be a candidate for our team? Why? 'Cause Detroit has had all that success.....but who in here can know FOR SURE what was Nill's exact opinion on Holland's move? Nobody. So if we love those assistant GM's because of their team,s success, pretty normal that we don't like Gauthier's, the assistant-GM based on his team lack of success?

Who are the other candidates assistant GM that we have in mind for our team that are actually working for average to poor teams? Anybody named Chris MacFarland of Columbus? or even Craig Patrick? How about Ricky Olczyk of Edmonton? Or David MacNab in Anaheim? Jason Karmanos in Carolina? And don't give me the "they don't speak french" 'cause actually most people in here don't care about the language. And most people here have indeed Jim Nill as their candidate. See, I care about the language FOR THE COACH, and my first pick is Jim Benning. Based on the fact that the guy was a player, a scout and an assistant GM and is seen as an astute consultant for Chiarelli.

So I'm just being consequent and if I hold accountable assistant GM's on winning teams, I'm holding accountable assistant GM's on struggling or underperforming teams that evidently has made terrible decisions over the past year KNOWING FULL WELL that Gauthier might not have thought of the bad moves himself, but surely didn't strongly object to those when he had the chance to.
How the heck can you have such a great head scout and still be where we are at right now. Most of our head scout job, we decided to destroy it. Talk about scoring in your own net continuously.

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Now we're getting into brilliant posts.

Gomez useless...year at 7.3 mil sure, dump him in the AHL or give him away, I'll give you that one.

Gionta scores 29 the last 2 years, brings grit and leadership, worth 5 mil. No issues there.

Kaberle is a 50 points d-man, after a slow start he is back at that level, worth every bit of 4.25 mil(cripes CBJ gave Wisniewski 5.5 mil/year for ONE 50 point year). If we want we can move him no problem.

As soon as you move the UFA's and dump Gomez you have oodles of cap room. Subban and Price are the only real raises we need and neither has had a monster year to earn ridiculous money anyways. Lots left over to add a skill winger and #3-4 big stay at home d-man(Mitchell/Allen type).
Kaberle really earned his 4.25M today. Can't wait for two more years of this Warrior type defenseman.

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CBC said they are hearing rumblings that Mtl is looking at Jeff Carter if true Gauthier Must go before he trades our 1st Rd Pick this year
This is exactly the kind of move that we should be avoiding. The last thing we need is another albatross on our roster. And it scares me to death that there is the possibility that we could include picks and prospects to do this.

We should be selling, not buying. If PG is even thinking about doing this then I hope he gets canned immediately.
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Gainey is responsible for most of the teams problem. It's a bit unfair to put all the blame on Gauthier. IMO he did a good job.
He may have inherited a bad situation, but he's just made things worse.

If you look at it on a deal by deal basis it's not all that bad. But when you step back and take a look at the big picture it makes no sense. Halak for Eller? Okay, I guess he saw something in Eller and he kept the right goalie so I'll give him credit for that. The Wiz trade would've been good if the guy hadn't of been overly greedy so I'll give him credit there too.

But what's up with all the quick fixes? Why do we continue to pursue the standing in the same place policy? Kaberle... Why? Cammy and the coaching fiascos (there were two coaching fiascos) were terrible. We're out there getting guys like Eric Cole and dealing for Rene Bourque. Again, on the surface it doesn't look bad but we're nowhere near a contending team so why do we keep making sideways moves? At best it would keep us where we've been... and at worst ties us to bad contracts for a long time.

So now we sit DEAD LAST in the East. And we've done this without being sellers. We've done everything we could to avoid tanking and yet here we sit. Absolutely stupid. Why not intentionally rebuild instead? Avoid the dumb contracts, trade for younger players and picks. Yeah, we'd still be sitting in last but at least we'd be further ahead for down the road.

I don't see how anyone can say that the guy has done a good job when he's making all of these quick fix moves and we're STILL sitting in last place.


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No Carter for a 1st. No Carter for a 1st. Just in case people comes back and say that we're never going to be happy....well not for Carter. Was fun before. A guy that changes teams like that, it has to be a sign. I'd like to see my team implicate themselves physically, that's not what Carter is all about. We have a chance, in the near future, just with this upcoming 1st rounder, to have much better than Carter....Gauthier can't blow it.

ANY RETURN ASKING PRICE BEING A 1ST ROUND PICK HAS TO BE STOPPED BY MOLSON UNLESS IT'S A REAL GREAT PLAYER. Carter does not fit the bill.

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No Carter for a 1st. No Carter for a 1st. Just in case people comes back and say that we're never going to be happy....well not for Carter. Was fun before. A guy that changes teams like that, it has to be a sign. I'd like to see my team implicate themselves physically, that's not what Carter is all about. We have a chance, in the near future, just with this upcoming 1st rounder, to have much better than Carter....Gauthier can't blow it.

ANY RETURN ASKING PRICE BEING A 1ST ROUND PICK HAS TO BE STOPPED BY MOLSON UNLESS IT'S A REAL GREAT PLAYER. Carter does not fit the bill.
Carter is just more of what we've always had. A guy better suited as a 2nd line center playing on the first. A 10 year deal on top of that? No thanks. I love the fact that he scored 40 goals a few years ago and he's certainly not a bad player but there's no way we should even be thinking about this guy right now.

Again, we should be SELLERS.
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Kaberle really earned his 4.25M today. Can't wait for two more years of this Warrior type defenseman.
Yup. And a lot of folks who defended the move will suddenly forget all about that... People talk like he'll be easy for us to dump if we want to get rid of him. I don't think so. I think we're stuck with him until the deadline before his deal runs out. Ditto with Rene Bourque who I think will probably go on to do nothing with us.

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