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02-02-2012, 04:21 PM
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The "If we scored 1 PP goal that game..." stats thread

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Feb2nd 5-3 Loss (EN) PP 0 for 3
Jan31st 3-1 Loss (EN) PP 0 for 1
Jan20th 5-4 Loss (SO) PP 1 for 6
Jan14th 3-2 Loss (SO) PP 0 for 5
Jan12th 2-1 Loss PP 1 for 2
Dec31st 3-2 Loss PP 0 for 3
Dec29th 4-3 Loss PP 1 for 3
Dec19th 3-2 Loss PP 0 for 2
Dec15th 4-3 Loss PP 1 for 9
Dec8th 4-3 Loss (SO) PP 0 for 4
Dec6th 3-2 Loss (SO) PP 0 for 3
Dec1st 4-3 Loss (SO) PP 0 for 1
Nov26th 4-3 Loss (OT) PP 0 for 4
Nov21st 1-0 Loss PP 0 for 4
Nov17th 4-3 Loss PP 1 for 4
Nov14th 3-2 Loss (SO) PP 1 for 6
Nov8th 3-1 Loss (EN) PP 0 for 6
Nov5th 5-3 Loss (EN) PP 1 for 2
Oct24th 2-1 Loss PP 1 for 3
Oct22nd 5-4 Loss (OT) PP 0 for 4
Oct18th 3-1 Loss (EN) PP 0 for 5
Oct15th 6-5 Loss (SO) PP 1 for 3

We've all said it "What if our PP wasn't so atrocious, where would we be today?". I've given this some thought and decided to compile all the loses that the habs have been victim of that either involved a SO, OT or an EN for this season. In every one of these losses, I've gathered the number of PPs and the amount of goals scored while on it. From the stats below, which are very telling, you can come to the conclusion for the following:

1) If the habs won half the SOs they lost, they would have an extra: 3pts more
2) If the habs scored 1 more PP goal in half of their losses that had an EN goal regular time, it is not unreasonable to think that they would have: 2pts more
3) If the habs scored 1 more PP goal in all of their regular time games in which they scored NO PP goals, which went to, at least OT, they would have at least: 3pts more

This discounts all the blown 2 goal leads in which, for example, the games that lead them to the OT/SO period. It's not unreasonable to think that had they scored 1 more PP goal, they could of had a possibility of at least another 4pts.

Which means that, with a "less than atrocious" PP, the habs could, realistically, have an extra 12pts. This would at least place them in the top 8. If they had a slightly better than middle of the pack PP, I believe that the habs would have probably around 20pts extra than they do now.

All this to say that this season's biggest enemy has been the PP. It has literally made all the difference between a bottom dweller team and a top 8 team.

Just looking at the PP stats for all those losses just disgust me. 9 for 80 is the tallied up total. That's 11.25% for those losses.

Now we have it. The proof is in the pudding they say.


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I couldn't agree more. Considering how many PPQB's we have, you would think we would have a better PP

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Easily 5-6 wins in there. Would bring us to 25-16-10 and 60pts. Tied for 6th and 4pts from 5th.

Markov would have made a huge difference, letting Wiz go without knowing the status of Markov is on PG and he should be canned for it.

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02-02-2012, 04:30 PM
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Our PP was the only thing that got us to 8th place over the years. Ironic that it's now the cause of us being outside the playoffs.

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Our PP was the only thing that got us to 8th place over the years. Ironic that it's now the cause of us being outside the playoffs.
The thing is, if it was clicking the way it had in the past (as in top 2-3 in the league) we'd be close to being 1st in the league.

PPs define team successes and there's no way around it.

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every crappy team in the NHL can play this game..

If only our PK was better
If only our PP was better
If only we played better in X period
If only we were better in SO
If only we played better against X team(s)
If only our 5 on 5 was better
If only we played better at home / road
If only X player wasn't injured

It's called the ''our team is crappy because ____...'' game

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every crappy team in the NHL can play this game..

If only our PK was better
If only our PP was better
If only we played better in X period
If only we were better in SO
If only we played better against X team(s)
If only our 5 on 5 was better
If only we played better at home / road
If only X player wasn't injured

It's called the ''our team is crappy because ____...'' game

cool story bro...

What you fail to acknowledge is that the habs are NOT a crappy team. They excel in virtually every other department except here. And it's relevent. And not an impossibility to fix. This is a SINGLE element of the habs games that has LITERALLY sunk them this season. Not a combination of things, just ONE thing.

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Markov would have made a huge difference, letting Wiz go without knowing the status of Markov is on PG and he should be canned for it.
you would have disregarded the doctor's advice and signed the guy to an awful contract like he is on now? you should be canned

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I thought I mentionned this before, but AK is tied for 3rd on the team in goals on the PP, yet averages 2 mins of PP time per game.

I believe he's the second most effective in PPG/PPTOI on the team behind Erik Cole.

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The thing is, if it was clicking the way it had in the past (as in top 2-3 in the league) we'd be close to being 1st in the league.

PPs define team successes and there's no way around it.
Thing is, it was a top PP for years. Problem is that we couldn't score at even strength.

So yeah, if we had a number one PP we'd be better off... but we don't. And who knows where we'll be next year in terms of even strength numbers.

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you would have disregarded the doctor's advice and signed the guy to an awful contract like he is on now? you should be canned
People complain about Markov's injuries then they want to sign a guy who's only played over 70 games once in his career to a 6-year deal..

The team not only needed help on the blueline on the PP but also down low, Cammalleri put up 21 PP points last year in 67 games but had 6 in 38 with us this year. One guy wouldn't of made our PP great again, we don't need another Kovalev but we could've used someone down low to make our PP less predictable... I personally would've liked to see Kostitsyn used more on it since he has a good shot and tries to be creative.

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cool story bro...

What you fail to acknowledge is that the habs are NOT a crappy team. They excel in virtually every other department except here. And it's relevent. And not an impossibility to fix. This is a SINGLE element of the habs games that has LITERALLY sunk them this season. Not a combination of things, just ONE thing.
So, if management did not rely on Markov as much as they did, and had they invested in a suitable replacement, than we'd be a 6-8 playoff team.

Awesome stuff. Maybe we could have gone 2 rounds...

I prefer we continue to lose, get a nice pick, and let this season serve as a wake-up call.... which is, there is very little separating this team from being crappy.

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Hilarious that horrible ES play has plagued us for years, and when we finally have a good ES team our PP goes to ****! Bring Kovalev in to be the PP coach next year.

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I suspect that the failure of our PP has stronger relations to Muller's departure than anything else.

We're not really lacking a PPQB. What we're lacking is a PP coach.

There are two major problems with our PP. We have trouble gaining the offensive zone effectively. When we do gain it we generally pass the puck as if we're stuck in honey. Our motions are hesitant, slow, unsure. We're not quick. We give the opposition all the time to re-position themselves.

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Just look at our goal differential (-6) compared to the other teams that are in front of us in the East. Florida (3) is -12, Ottawa (6) is -4, New Jersey (8) is -6, Washington (9) is -4, Winnipeg (10) is -18, Tampa Bay (11) is -28, Buffalo (12) is -29, NYI (13) is -25. If we were a little bit better in our PP, I guarantee that we would be around #6 to #8 in the East.

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Easily 5-6 wins in there. Would bring us to 25-16-10 and 60pts. Tied for 6th and 4pts from 5th.

Markov would have made a huge difference, letting Wiz go without knowing the status of Markov is on PG and he should be canned for it.
Even if that were true, this version of the Canadiens with its D and smallish centers and coaching would still be a team that would be eliminated in either the first or second round.

We still dont have the toughness and the grit to make a serious run. The Sabres (and pretty much every other team in the NHL) exposed that the last game. We are not the intimidators. We are the intimidated.

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So, if management did not rely on Markov as much as they did, and had they invested in a suitable replacement, than we'd be a 6-8 playoff team.

Awesome stuff. Maybe we could have gone 2 rounds...

I prefer we continue to lose, get a nice pick, and let this season serve as a wake-up call.... which is, there is very little separating this team from being crappy.
Going from top to bottom in powerplay isn't a little thing though. Although if it goes to show one thing its how little difference there is between being awesome and sucking in the current NHL if your somewhere in the middle 20 of teams that aren't top or bottom 5 in this league.

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Easily 5-6 wins in there. Would bring us to 25-16-10 and 60pts. Tied for 6th and 4pts from 5th.

Markov would have made a huge difference, letting Wiz go without knowing the status of Markov is on PG and he should be canned for it.
Had Gauthier signed Wisniewski for what he wanted, he should have been fired for that, regardless of Markov's status.

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cool story bro...

What you fail to acknowledge is that the habs are NOT a crappy team. They excel in virtually every other department except here. And it's relevent. And not an impossibility to fix. This is a SINGLE element of the habs games that has LITERALLY sunk them this season. Not a combination of things, just ONE thing.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be out to lunch.

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Had Gauthier signed Wisniewski for what he wanted, he should have been fired for that, regardless of Markov's status.
true but man sadly enough with wiz we would be in the playoffs right now


this season is on gauthier though...
bad management killed us....hamrlik should have been signed instead goat kept convincing himself markov would be back soon.
Cammy should have been gone sooner and gomez should have been burried awhile ago

i actually think hammer actually would of helped our pp as well as our defensive woes at the start of the season

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cool story bro...

What you fail to acknowledge is that the habs are NOT a crappy team. They excel in virtually every other department except here. And it's relevent. And not an impossibility to fix. This is a SINGLE element of the habs games that has LITERALLY sunk them this season. Not a combination of things, just ONE thing.
The best part is that the man in charge of the PP was RC and we fired JM to make room for the guy who was responsible for the team's lack of success. Then he made it worse.

PG made some good moves. Getting Cole was a great move.

But gotta say that he also made 2 huge huge mistakes.

1.Banking on Markov with no insurance.
2.Firing JM at that point in time heading into a road trip against good teams for the man who was the reason the team couldn't buy results in the first place.

Those are two huge blunders and if Molson has any smarts about him, those two mistakes will cost Gauthier AND Gainey their jobs.

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Habs have lived and died by their PP for years now. And yet we went into the season with no PP QB. Good job, Gauthier. Frankly, no team should be that dependent on their PP, but the Habs are built that way unfortunately.

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Let's add this NJ loss to the list of "If we had scored 1 PP goal we would of won this game" LOL

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