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02-03-2012, 02:59 PM
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This isn't quite the trade I was thinking would happen.

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02-03-2012, 03:02 PM
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Thing is he's not a guy who can slide up and down the lineup like Brodziak. He's top six or bust. And if he's top six, you've got problems...man...

Next year I'd love to see guys like McIntyre and McMillan in the bottom six. They've got hands enough to score in the AHL yet they can play the body and grind. Same with Kassian.

But those are all way different roles than Christensen.

The Patty O comparison is SUPER apt. Remember last year when we picked him up off waivers because "well he has to be better than what we have now". 21gp, 1g, 7pts, then sent down. Well look at Christensen's numbers...20gp, 1g, 5pts, then he got sent down.

We just traded Wellman for O'Sullivan.

Now maybe that get some people all hot and bothered, but let's not pretend we got another Brodziak, or Powe, or whoever. We got a guy who's all skill and apparently either no brain or no heart. Scorer in the minors, blah in the majors. Top six or bust.

Now again, Wellman's probably the exact same guy, less a couple years, and a bit cheaper. But hey if we could get a 6th for him...Fletch might do something with a 6th. Getting a MAYBE 7th rounder in 2013 (what are the conditions? Wellman plays games in the playoffs? Wellman scores so many NHL points? Re-signs a one-way?)...ugh.
He was in the minors on a conditioning stint, not because he was sent down. Also, the Rags have an excess of forwards.


As for the pick, the condition is whether or not EC is re-signed (or at least that's what people on the Trade forum have claimed).

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02-03-2012, 03:05 PM
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He was in the minors on a conditioning stint, not because he was sent down. Also, the Rags have an excess of forwards.


As for the pick, the condition is whether or not EC is re-signed (or at least that's what people on the Trade forum have claimed).
Russo confirmed conditional is him signing, still i was hoping to get a fman with wellman oh well

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02-03-2012, 03:13 PM
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Six of one on going to the AHL...one guy couldn't crack the lineup and was just a healthy scratch for 10 games...the other was ineffective in the lineup and sent down instead.

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02-03-2012, 03:15 PM
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Well EC can score some shootout goals.....may mean making the playoffs or not

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02-03-2012, 03:17 PM
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Well EC can score some shootout goals.....may mean making the playoffs or not
Chuck Fletcher actually said this in a quote to Russo on his blog.

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02-03-2012, 03:18 PM
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Just for more Rangers fan feedback, this is my friends take -

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he sucks. He has a lot of talent ... but there is something wrong with him mentally. like, seriously wrong. I think he's got really bad depression. He's great in the shootouts, and on nights when he's happy he can be very effective. The problem is those nights don't come along to often. He's got a great, not good, great wrist shot ... but he lacks the confidence to use it. It's like in his mind he's like "i know i'm in the slot and i should shoot it ... but Gaborik is on the ice, so i'm going to pass it to him" lol!

Now you tell me about Wellman? Young big center? Averaging 0.5 points per game ... unless this guy has a huge drinking problem then you definitely got fleeced lol!
I replied that Christensen claims to be happy to be under Yeo & Fletcher again & that hopefully he can have some kind of Latendresse-esqe turnaround for us because we could really use it.. and he replied:

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B- he very well could light it up in Minny ... like i said, he has the talent. Maybe he just needs the confidence that being a night in, night out 2nd line center can provide. Here he was all over the place. One week he would be on the 4th line and only getting like 6 mins a game ... other weeks he was centering a line with Gabby. So maybe the inconsistency of who was on his wings lead to his inconsistencies overall ... i don't know. But i guess we are going to find out.
I told him he's not going to be a second line center tho.. haha
oh well, I'll reserve judgement until he plays for us. UIf he does something / anything to end our streak against Dallas then he's cool in my book. haha I just want a player that can contribute & that will help us. If he's Latendresse 2.0 sans the concussions I'll be more than stoked.. Only time will tell if this was a good move. The speculation is worthless at this point I guess...

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02-03-2012, 03:29 PM
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I replied that Christensen claims to be happy to be under Yeo & Fletcher again & that hopefully he can have some kind of Latendresse-esqe turnaround for us because we could really use it.. and he replied:



I told him he's not going to be a second line center tho.. haha
oh well, I'll reserve judgement until he plays for us. UIf he does something / anything to end our streak against Dallas then he's cool in my book. haha I just want a player that can contribute & that will help us. If he's Latendresse 2.0 sans the concussions I'll be more than stoked.. Only time will tell if this was a good move. The speculation is worthless at this point I guess...
If happiness and consistent roles are things that would truly affect his play, then getting away from Torts and into the Church of Yeo could mean we see more of the good EC than bad.

Ultimately, even if he ends up warming a seat in the press box, the only real cost to us is not getting anything different for Wellman. Since I can't see Wellman's value being higher than a 4th (if even that high) worst case we swung and missed at the cost of dropping from a 4th to a 7th.

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02-03-2012, 03:30 PM
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Once again Fletcher grabs an ex-Penguin. That's probably the first thing thing he looks for in making a deal for someone.

I was never a big Casey Wellman fan, but I really don't get why it took him to get a player that New York simply wanted to get rid off (where's our "Wellman" in return for Nystrom?). Wellman at least has skill that's young enough to have a chance beyond the AHL. Shoot he's got 7 points in 14 games this season playing limited minutes half the time. It's the 8th-best points per game on the team. That's not too bad, and it shows that placing him in an offensive role was starting to work out.

Christensen was a decent player in years past. But this year he hasn't been, and yet it's Minnesota that looks like it sold low. Either way this trade probably make or break anything, but it still looks weird on paper.

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02-03-2012, 03:31 PM
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The speculation is worthless at this point I guess...
No, speculation is never worthless. If there isn't any speculation, there won't be no wisdom after the events.

Speculation was invented long time ago that we could say: "I was right, you we're wrong.." And what kind of life it would be without it...?!

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02-03-2012, 03:38 PM
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Unlike a lot of you I like this trade. Wellman had no future here. Christensen is a decent depth player who's good in a shootout. I'll take Christensen over Wellman when it comes to playing in the bottom 6. Wellman was top 6 or bust and we have no room for him in the top 6 when healthy.

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02-03-2012, 03:41 PM
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Christensen is the exact same way though, top 6 or bust. Lateral move.

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02-03-2012, 03:44 PM
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Christensen is the exact same way though, top 6 or bust. Lateral move.
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I seem to recall a number of people calling for that sort of "lateral move" just a few weeks ago. Albeit, they intended to get someone a little younger, but it was lauded as a good idea at the time. Not sure why anything would have changed so quickly.

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Christensen is the exact same way though, top 6 or bust. Lateral move.
Lateral move + shootout improvement.

I still nothing this trade.

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02-03-2012, 03:51 PM
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Someone needs to tell Fletcher and Yeo that Christensen has NOT been a great faceoff man lately, except from time to time on the PP, which also isn't a situation he's ever been all that effective at scoring under. It's been a long time since Pittsburgh. I just love it when we hear good things about a player that the facts don't back up.

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i was hoping for some offense (and defense)! there better be one or two more trades coming up. otherwise its free agency

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I'm neutral, I didn't see Wellman making a difference here so I guess I'll wait until I have a reason to dislike Christensen.

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Someone needs to tell Fletcher and Yeo that Christensen has NOT been a great faceoff man lately, except from time to time on the PP, which also isn't a situation he's ever been all that effective at scoring under. It's been a long time since Pittsburgh. I just love it when we hear good things about a player that the facts don't back up.
Umm...where do you come up with this stuff?

According to NHL.com Christensen is 53.5% on the faceoff dot. That's 1.1% worse than Cullen, 0.1% less than Peters, 0.7% better than Koivu, and 3.1% better than Brodziak.

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02-03-2012, 04:05 PM
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I'd think Fletcher will try to sign Christensen based on their history. After all, how much worse can he be than Ortmeyer/Kassian/Peters?
Very true.

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I seem to recall a number of people calling for that sort of "lateral move" just a few weeks ago. Albeit, they intended to get someone a little younger, but it was lauded as a good idea at the time. Not sure why anything would have changed so quickly.
We could find out that we just got Rick Nash for a bag of pucks & a 6th round draft pick and there would be the people that will say that Nash is horrible now, just look at his stats this year! He totally peaked! That those were really nice pucks we gave up & that that 6th round pick could have been the next Rick Nash!

I think there's going to be at least a few naysayers 95% of the time.. I guess one of the best parts about a minor trade is that people get to blow off steam & get to complain about it. Its always fun to armchair GM it & explain why we dont approve..

Thats why Im reserving judgement until Ive seen what this guy can do. Its agreed that there is talent there & Best case scenario we have a Latendresse situation & we're stoked. Worst case scenario we lost a middling prospect that had no real future with us..

Im still more concerned with dumping Zidlicky then this. Regardless of the situation I have more faith in Christensen being a factor & getting us a few extra points, even if just because of shootouts then Wellman being the factor that might squeak us into the playoffs..

At worst its Lateral, & I think that this guy may fit here. We're kind of a rag tag bunch anyways & Im glad hes got history with Yeo & GMCF, it may have been years ago but theres a familiarity there and thats always a bonus.

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02-03-2012, 04:11 PM
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Meh. I'm guessing he plays well for about 3 games and the "I told you so's" fly around, and then he sinks back into the pool of mediocrity.

I guess it's a wash. I'm still more ticked off by Fletcher's inability to do anything over the last month. But at this point I think even he knew the team wouldn't make the playoffs and wouldn't just come right out and say it.

Like I said, it's all on next year. If the team flops, he's looking for a job.

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All I'm gonna say is watch Wellman somehow become a bona-fide NHL top-6 player now.

This new guy I gotta wait till I see him to make any judgments.

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Umm...where do you come up with this stuff?

According to NHL.com Christensen is 53.5% on the faceoff dot. That's 1.1% worse than Cullen, 0.1% less than Peters, 0.7% better than Koivu, and 3.1% better than Brodziak.
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Except I don't just look at one number, like the small sample size of his 2011-12 overall percentage. The previous two years he was marginally above 50% on power play faceoffs, but below 50% overall, due to being below average at even strength draws. And he hasn't taken a short-handed draw in three years, so there's no data in that column. Years ago Christensen was one of the NHL's best in percentage. He was far from it in New York.

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Christensen is the exact same way though, top 6 or bust. Lateral move.
Similar to the Pouliot for Latendresse deal...both were at the end of the line with their franchises, so both needed a change of scenery.

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He seems like the type of player who could improve our PP. Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Even if he becomes a specialist it's a decent move...

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