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LA Kings interested in Nikolai Kulemin and Clarke MacArthur.

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02-05-2012, 12:33 PM
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The better comparison to Martinez, if you really want to look for one, would be Korbinian Holzer.

Otherwise, it really shouldn't be a discussion. Arguing that a Martinez is as good as Gunnarsson is plain homerism.
Better or not, Gunnarsson would be a healthy scratch much like Martinez.

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02-05-2012, 12:40 PM
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Nikolai Kulemin and Clarke MacArthur won't get you Brown and definately won't get you Richards.
MacArthur is at tops a 2nd line player on a decent team and Kulemin well we all know what Kulemin is .3rd line player at best.
That "3rd line player at best" scored 30 goals last year....

If Kulemin is a 3rd line player at best, so is Brown.

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Better or not, Gunnarsson would be a healthy scratch much like Martinez.
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02-05-2012, 12:42 PM
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Better or not, Gunnarsson would be a healthy scratch much like Martinez.
Carl Gunnarsson would be the Kings' #3 defenceman, easily.

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Not sure if serious?
I don't see him starting over our top 6:

Doughty
Johnson
Mitchell
Scuderi
Greene
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I don't see him starting over our top 6:

Doughty
Johnson
Mitchell
Scuderi
Greene
Voynov
Trust me, he's better than Mitchell, Scuderi, Greene and Voynov (for now).

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That "3rd line player at best" scored 30 goals last year....

If Kulemin is a 3rd line player at best, so is Brown.



Not sure if serious?
Kulemin is on pace for 8 this year, and had 15 and 16 the two years before he got thirty. He could very well be another flash in the pan. Right now he is lucky to be a 3rd liner.

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Trust me, he's better than Mitchell, Scuderi, Greene and Voynov (for now).
Kings want PMD with a stay at home guy. So no, he wouldn't start over those.

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Kings want PMD with a stay at home guy. So no, he wouldn't start over those.
When he's better than those guys, yes he would start.

Otherwise your coach deserves to get canned.

Gunnarsson has 117 blocked shots, that almost 40 more than Mitchell (LA leader).

He had 8 blocked shots last night vs. Ottawa.

He's awesome.

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Kulemin is on pace for 8 this year, and had 15 and 16 the two years before he got thirty. He could very well be another flash in the pan. Right now he is lucky to be a 3rd liner.
Yeah he could... but even if you average those 4, you've got 17 goals (not factoring in that he missed 13 games in years 1+2)... which is borderline 2nd/3rd line numbers, probably 2nd when you consider his defensive play.

As for right now, he's a 2nd liner, and there because he has helped Grabo immensely. When he's on the 3rd line, he absolutely deserves to be there because of his defensive play.

That's substantially different than suggesting that Kulemin is a 3rd line player at best, considering at best in his young career, he's been a 30 goal scorer, which is about the same as Brown at best.

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When he's better than those guys, yes he would start.

Otherwise your coach deserves to get canned.

Gunnarsson has 117 blocked shots, that almost 40 more than Mitchell (LA leader).

He had 8 blocked shots last night vs. Ottawa.

He's awesome.
Furthermore, considering how embarrassingly bad LA's offence is, you better bet he'd invade his way into the top 4 to get them moving.

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When he's better than those guys, yes he would start.

Otherwise your coach deserves to get canned.

Gunnarsson has 117 blocked shots, that almost 40 more than Mitchell (LA leader).

He had 8 blocked shots last night vs. Ottawa.

He's awesome.
It's not all about the stats. Like Shellz said, it's about PMD/SAH pairings. In order for Gunnarsson to start for the kings, he would have to beat out DD, JJ and VV.

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Kulemin is on pace for 8 this year, and had 15 and 16 the two years before he got thirty. He could very well be another flash in the pan. Right now he is lucky to be a 3rd liner.
lol... you probably wouldn't be so easy to laugh at if you have actually watched Kulemin play.. and it's blatantly obvious you haven't. Lucky to be a third liner? COME ON.. hahah

I guess Brown right now is also lucky to be a third liner.

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Kulemin is on pace for 8 this year, and had 15 and 16 the two years before he got thirty. He could very well be another flash in the pan. Right now he is lucky to be a 3rd liner.
Saying he's a 4th liner is a joke.

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I really hope and believe that this is just a drummed up rumour. There is noone on LA that I realistically want on the Leafs right now (no slag, appears that LA fans feel the same about the Buds) and trading Kulie on an off year is horrible asset management, and Burke has not shown much of that during his tenure.

You guys keep your Dustin Brown, and we will keep Kulemin, all will be happy.

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Kulemin is on pace for 8 this year, and had 15 and 16 the two years before he got thirty. He could very well be another flash in the pan. Right now he is lucky to be a 3rd liner.
Dont be silly, lots of players have off years and bounce back strong. Kulemin has not been bad, he has been excellent at everything except for burying the puck. You never see him make mistakes and he forechecks hard every shift.

Thirty might not be his consistant goal tally throughout his career but he will be a 20+ guy for sure. He might even crack that this year as the second line is catching fire right now, as they did last year in the second half.

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It's not all about the stats. Like Shellz said, it's about PMD/SAH pairings. In order for Gunnarsson to start for the kings, he would have to beat out DD, JJ and VV.
hes more of a defensive dman first.

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It's not all about the stats. Like Shellz said, it's about PMD/SAH pairings. In order for Gunnarsson to start for the kings, he would have to beat out DD, JJ and VV.
He'd beat out Voynov with ease... and then eat away at at Mitchell/Scuderi's ice when they need a goal and Johnson's ice when they're up. Pairings are rarely held static throughout a game unless they need to be.

The only reason the Kings run with those combos consistently right now, is because that's what their personnel dictates. Add in a versatile guy like Gunnarsson, and their personnel will dictate differently.

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hes more of a defensive dman first.
And no, he wouldn't beat out Mitchell or Scuderi, the only ones saying he would, are guys that haven't seen Mitchell or Scuderi....


he would replacE Mitchell on the power play though...

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LOL maybe with Wilson as a coach,

Under Murray and Sutter, they are pretty much static as you can get, save the odd times coming off a PP when both Doughty and Johnson were out there...

And you underestimate Voynov....by......a few football fields at least..

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LOL maybe with Wilson as a coach,

Under Murray and Sutter, they are pretty much static as you can get, save the odd times coming off a PP when both Doughty and Johnson were out there...

And you underestimate Voynov....by......a few football fields at least..
Like I said, they are static because that's what having 2 or 3 one-dimensional guys like Mitchell/Scuderi/Greene as the 3rd-5th best defencemen dictates.

You add in a versatile guy like Gunnarsson who would be their 3rd best defenceman, and that changes. It would allow the Kings to play a bit more uptempo, and you know, maybe score some goals. I hear that's been a problem for you guys this year?

And you overestimate Voynov while underestimating Gunnarsson.... by.... a few football fields at least.

It's a moot point anyways, there's basically no chance of the Kings getting Gunnarsson, just like there's no chance of the Leafs being remotely interested in Martinez or Voynov.

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This whole thread reeks of "eww"

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Like I said, they are static because that's what having 2 or 3 one-dimensional guys like Mitchell/Scuderi/Greene as the 3rd-5th best defencemen dictates.

You add in a versatile guy like Gunnarsson who would be their 3rd best defenceman, and that changes. It would allow the Kings to play a bit more uptempo, and you know, maybe score some goals. I hear that's been a problem for you guys this year?

And you overestimate Voynov while underestimating Gunnarsson.... by.... a few football fields at least.

It's a moot point anyways, there's basically no chance of the Kings getting Gunnarsson, just like there's no chance of the Leafs being remotely interested in Martinez or Voynov.
ya vv would be our 7th or 8th dman. martinez would be...well hed be a second pairing in the ahl

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ya vv would be our 7th or 8th dman. martinez would be...well hed be a second pairing in the ahl
No, in all fairness, Voynov would probably play in Gardiner's role right now, because he is marginally better than him. However, we wouldn't trade for him simply because of the potential Gardiner has shown as a 20+ defenceman in his first professional season, and the ease at which the NHL game seems to come to him.

Martinez would be in the AHL though.

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Like I said, they are static because that's what having 2 or 3 one-dimensional guys like Mitchell/Scuderi/Greene as the 3rd-5th best defencemen dictates.

You add in a versatile guy like Gunnarsson who would be their 3rd best defenceman, and that changes. It would allow the Kings to play a bit more uptempo, and you know, maybe score some goals. I hear that's been a problem for you guys this year?

And you overestimate Voynov while underestimating Gunnarsson.... by.... a few football fields at least.

It's a moot point anyways, there's basically no chance of the Kings getting Gunnarsson, just like there's no chance of the Leafs being remotely interested in Martinez or Voynov.
LOL Kings aren't after Gunnarsson, because he wouldn't improve them. Leafs aren't after Martinez, because they have Gunnarsson, and I guarantee you if the Kings were to make Voynov available, 29 other teams would be calling...

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Like I said, they are static because that's what having 2 or 3 one-dimensional guys like Mitchell/Scuderi/Greene as the 3rd-5th best defencemen dictates.

You add in a versatile guy like Gunnarsson who would be their 3rd best defenceman, and that changes. It would allow the Kings to play a bit more uptempo, and you know, maybe score some goals. I hear that's been a problem for you guys this year?

And you overestimate Voynov while underestimating Gunnarsson.... by.... a few football fields at least.

It's a moot point anyways, there's basically no chance of the Kings getting Gunnarsson, just like there's no chance of the Leafs being remotely interested in Martinez or Voynov.
And you think the Kings are interested in a guy like Gunnarson? I highly highly doubt it. There defense is fine. What is it 5th in the league? That doesn't scream they need any major help.

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No, in all fairness, Voynov would probably play in Gardiner's role right now, because he is marginally better than him. However, we wouldn't trade for him simply because of the potential Gardiner has shown as a 20+ defenceman in his first professional season, and the ease at which the NHL game seems to come to him.

Martinez would be in the AHL though.
gardiner's boss. if anyone would sit it would be franson

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