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View Poll Results: How has Devin Setoguchi Performed this Year?
Above My Expectations 1 1.67%
Met My Expectations 22 36.67%
Below My Expectations 37 61.67%
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02-04-2012, 12:17 PM
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02-04-2012, 05:15 PM
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On Beyond the Pond this morning even they talked about how he wasn't the player he was supposed to be. Pretty much the same stuff I've said this year. They wondered if his hockey IQ wasn't high enough to be a consistent scorer. Not a grinder, but not quite top six.

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02-04-2012, 06:34 PM
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its fair to judge him but it's not fair to discount the fact that the situation upon which the expectations were built hasn't been anything like reality. Our top six have been FUBAR, to put it mildly. "injuries are no excuse" blah blah blah. They do become an excuse when new players adapting to a new coach have the added burden of getting new linemates constantly. You can count on some line juggling, of course, but there hasn't been any stability at all in that regard for the Wild.
i agree with rynryn. So much **** has happened with this squad this year making it tough to say. Seto has had a dramatic transition, a tough injury, and been dealing with inconsistent linemates.

Given the circumstances i would mark him down as about what i expected in terms of production. I will add the caveat that i am a little dissappointed with his hands and hockey sense. Still think we will see him go on a little run and finish with ~22 goals this year (although that run would have to happen soon - tonight would be a good time to start).

I really want to see him in the playoffs before judge him though. Him and clutter could make quite the interesting duo.

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02-04-2012, 10:19 PM
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You make a good argument, but i'm not swayed. Feel all the disdain you want! Watching the play on the ice I just like his game. I'm not disappointed. I'm pleasantly surprised by Johnson, and I liked Brodz a lot even when he wasn't doing much of anything on the score sheet, too. I just keep waiting for Cullen to go into hibernation. I don't really go as much by stats as most people.
Sounds like a perfect case of agreeing to disagree.

I like Brodziak as much as anyone, and maybe more. I think that if we can keep him at or below 2-2.25, we should lock him up for a few years.

I'm pleasantly surprised by Johnson as well, I'm hoping he can put us in a tough spot next year, and force him into playing time.

Cullen? Ugh, I'm not even touching that situation, needless to say, not a fan.

I think we agree more than we disagree. I'd just love to see more from Seto...

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02-04-2012, 11:14 PM
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I can't say he's accounted for as many points as I was hoping, but I think I'd say the proportion of the total Wild offense that he's created is about what I expected coming into the year. He's underperformed offensively, just like every other member of the team.

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02-06-2012, 09:45 AM
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The obvious comment is that he hasn't been as dangerous and scoring nearly consistently enough for a top 6 player. On the other hand I feel that Gooch still has some season to show us what it's like when he is "on". I think the intensity of our fight for the playoffs could bring that out in him, and lets not forgot that he is a very good playoff performer which really excites me. I think hopefully when Koivu is back we put Seto on his wing and keep Heater where he is at.

Christiansen-Koivu-Seto
Heatley-Brodziak-Johnson
Powe-Cullen-Clutterbuck
MacMillan-Peters-Kassian/Staubitz

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02-06-2012, 09:52 AM
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Just to break down Seto's season.

October 3g-2a-5p in 10 gp

November 5g-3a-8p in 15 gp

December 0-0-0 in 3 gp

January 2g-3a-5p in 9 gp

Febuary 0-0-0 in 2 gp

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02-06-2012, 09:53 AM
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So he gets a free pass for this year? I mean we can make a lot of excuses for a lot of guys every year. Fact is he hasn't been a consistent threat most games and is given a lot of ice time, top linemates, and PP time. Not that there's anyone better to replace him with, but I just don't see him scoring 25+ goals unless he goes on an absolutely fluke run (like Perry last year).

Just how streaky he is, here's what his points look like this season (- means none)

1-1---111-21-----11-11--1---____________-1_1---21---

That's kind of a fun way to look at that. If I had a game by game database I'd look at more players.

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02-06-2012, 10:02 AM
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Yes Seto is streaky, but we all knew that coming in? I mean we got exactly what we expected. The guy is good for 40-50 points (a .5 ppg pace) and 20 goals. I don't think anyone can honestly say we didn't know this coming in. I think more than anything we are putting him under a microscope due to things we didn't see coming like Bouchard/Latendresse concussion decimating the team. I would imagine if Heatley wasn't playing his best hockey of the season right now we would be all over him too. It's not a free pass for him. It's an understanding of the situation and managing expectations. There is a reason Seto was on SJ 3rd line. He is a good player, but if you expect him to score 30 goals a season and be a consistent 60 point player your going to be dissappointed.

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02-06-2012, 10:14 AM
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So he gets a free pass for this year? I mean we can make a lot of excuses for a lot of guys every year. Fact is he hasn't been a consistent threat most games and is given a lot of ice time, top linemates, and PP time. Not that there's anyone better to replace him with, but I just don't see him scoring 25+ goals unless he goes on an absolutely fluke run (like Perry last year).

Just how streaky he is, here's what his points look like this season (- means none)

1-1---111-21-----11-11--1---____________-1_1---21---

That's kind of a fun way to look at that. If I had a game by game database I'd look at more players.
I think the question you have to ask yourself is "is the lack of scoring for this team Seto's fault?"

It's a bit of chicken and egg. The more the team scores, the more Seto will score. The team isn't scoring, and Seto isn't scoring. They are related, so which causes which? In order to throw him under the bus, you need to claim that his lack of scoring causes the team lack of scoring, and not the reverse.

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02-06-2012, 10:21 AM
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I see him as a 20-20 guy who should be on the 3rd line.

Oddly enough, if you put their pace for 82 games:
Clutterbuck: 22g 12a 34pts
Setoguchi: 21g 17a 38pts

Not far off. I do like those two together on a 3rd line though.

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02-06-2012, 10:26 AM
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I see him as a 20-20 guy who should be on the 3rd line.

Oddly enough, if you put their pace for 82 games:
Clutterbuck: 22g 12a 34pts
Setoguchi: 21g 17a 38pts

Not far off. I do like those two together on a 3rd line though.
[Fantasy World]

Mikko, Lats, and Butch magically recover together:

Lats-Koivu-Butch
Johnson-Brodziak-Heatley
Seto-Cullen-Clutter
EC-McMillan-Kassian/Staubitz

Suddenly, all is right with the world.

[/Fantasy World]

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02-06-2012, 10:29 AM
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Or next year:

Granlund-Koivu-Heatley
Latendresse-Brodziak-Bouchard
Clutterbuck-Cullen-Setoguchi
Kassian-Powe-McMillan

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02-06-2012, 10:38 AM
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Or next year:

Granlund-Koivu-Heatley
Latendresse-Brodziak-Bouchard
Clutterbuck-Cullen-Setoguchi
Kassian-Powe-McMillan
I just noticed I lost Powe in my lineup somewhere. I guess put him in for Kassian/Staubitz when Stoner's in the lineup, and in for McMillan when he's not?

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[Fantasy World]

Mikko, Lats, and Butch magically recover together:

Lats-Koivu-Butch
Johnson-Brodziak-Heatley
Seto-Cullen-Clutter
EC-McMillan-Kassian/Staubitz

Suddenly, all is right with the world.

[/Fantasy World]
Hell, lets do a little better than that.

Lats-Koivu-Butch
Heater-Brodz-Johnson
Seto-EC-Clutter
Powe-Cullen-Kassian

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02-06-2012, 11:46 AM
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Don't think EC is an upgrade over Cullen though. It's just a placeholder until one of Larsson or Coyle gets the job.

Please re-sign Brodziak

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02-06-2012, 09:43 PM
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2nd line scoring is what he is going to be regardless of what team he's basically with. I blame his production on honestly not wanting to be here...

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Or next year:

Granlund-Koivu-Heatley
Latendresse-Brodziak-Bouchard
Clutterbuck-Cullen-Setoguchi
Kassian-Powe-McMillan
I don't think you have that next year at all. If I had my beliefs both Lats and Bouchard are out next year

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Hey guys... out of curiosity would you take our 2012 1st for Seto straight up?

I'm just curious where he falls for you guys. The guy loved in in SJ, and he is kinda the exact guy that we need right now.

Unfortunately, from the sounds of it, Seto hasn't grown much since he's left SJ. I thought going to you guys might give him the wake-up call that he's been needing, but it sounds like he may have even regressed.

He has all the tools to be a top 6 player, but he is just streaky as hell. For the Sharks, he is ideal though, as he'd fit in to either our 2nd or 3rd line RW, and be perfect as he is fast (we are on the slow side) and can hit (when he is motivated to do so).

So what would it take for the Sharks to trade back for him?

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So what would it take for the Sharks to trade back for him?
I heard Shep was a fan favorite no?

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I heard Shep was a fan favorite no?
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That'd be weird. I don't see it happening. 2012 1st might not be far off for value I suppose, but there's no reason to trade him unless he demands one.

I don't think he has all the tools to be a big scorer. He doesn't have the hockey IQ, the patience to make plays, or to create separation in the offensive zone. He's got the speed and the shot and isn't afraid to go to corners, but that's about it. A good 20 goal tweener. Not a bad thing.

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That'd be weird. I don't see it happening. 2012 1st might not be far off for value I suppose
Do you guys have any interest for something around Douglas Murray+?

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Hey guys... out of curiosity would you take our 2012 1st for Seto straight up?

I'm just curious where he falls for you guys. The guy loved in in SJ, and he is kinda the exact guy that we need right now.

Unfortunately, from the sounds of it, Seto hasn't grown much since he's left SJ. I thought going to you guys might give him the wake-up call that he's been needing, but it sounds like he may have even regressed.

He has all the tools to be a top 6 player, but he is just streaky as hell. For the Sharks, he is ideal though, as he'd fit in to either our 2nd or 3rd line RW, and be perfect as he is fast (we are on the slow side) and can hit (when he is motivated to do so).

So what would it take for the Sharks to trade back for him?
Seto for braun and our 2nd back and your 2nd

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Seto for braun and our 2nd back and your 2nd
Ha nevermind. Terrible proposal.

Braun is in his first full season in the NHL and has displaced Jason Demers - the Dman who Babcock said was our best Dman during our playoff series last year (now I don't know if that says more to Braun or Demers!).

Add YOUR 2nd, and then OUR 2nd.... I don't think so. You don't get a package like that for a tweener.

Braun will be a legit top 4 dman in the next 2 years, if not the next year. He'll never be a top 4 on the Sharks though unless we get rid of one of Burns or Boyle.

The guy is a great TWD in the making who currently plays our 2nd PP unit. I don't expect you to know much about Braun but I think you are undervaluing him here.

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