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Rank the 5 most legendary teams in order.

Rank the 5 most legendary teams in order. You select the teams! Oh and please provide reasons or something of why you chose that team or else this will turn into a stupid thread. Oh and please no 2 word reasons.

1- Montreal, 24 stanley cups, legends like 11 time cup winner Henri Richard, first person to score 50 in 50 Rocket Richard, Jean Beliveau and the flower Guy Lafleur. Defenseman like Doug Harvey and Larry Robinson as well as goalies like Jacques Plante and Patrick Roy. Had two big dinasties, won 5 straight cups in the 50-s and 4 straight in the 70-s.

2- Toronto: Have won 13 cups in their history, although they were coached by a freak by the name of Imlack (sp?). Such great players as Frank Mahovlich who might've been one of the best of all time had he been coached by a better person and by the player who notched the most goals and points ever in one game, Darryl Sittler. However they havent won a cup since 1967.

3- Detroit: Have won 11 cups in their famed legacy. Have had remarkable players over the years such as the second leading pointer in league history Mr. Hockey Gordie Howe, his centerman Ted Lindsay, and most recently Steve Yzerman and Dominik Hasek.

4- Boston: Another succesfull team, the Bruins were known as one of the best checking teams of all time. Have had what some consider the best hockey player of all time Offensive and Defensive Defenseman Bobby Orr, and awesome sniper Phil Esposito. Havent won a cup though since 1972.

5- Edmonton: Although a new team, entered the league in 1979 and only 4 years later won their first stanley cup by sweeping the defending champions in 4 games. Then repeated as champs the next year. However they lost the following year only to win another two in a row later and the last one in 1990. They were lead by the Great One Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Jari Kurri, Grant Fuhr and Paul Coffee.

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Rank the 5 most legendary teams in order. You select the teams! Oh and please provide reasons or something of why you chose that team or else this will turn into a stupid thread. Oh and please no 2 word reasons.

1- Montreal, 24 stanley cups, legends like 11 time cup winner Henri Richard, first person to score 50 in 50 Rocket Richard, Jean Beliveau and the flower Guy Lafleur. Defenseman like Doug Harvey and Larry Robinson as well as goalies like Jacques Plante and Patrick Roy. Had two big dinasties, won 5 straight cups in the 50-s and 4 straight in the 70-s.

2- Toronto: Have won 13 cups in their history, although they were coached by a freak by the name of Imlack (sp?). Such great players as Frank Mahovlich who might've been one of the best of all time had he been coached by a better person and by the player who notched the most goals and points ever in one game, Darryl Sittler. However they havent won a cup since 1967.

3- Detroit: Have won 11 cups in their famed legacy. Have had remarkable players over the years such as the second leading pointer in league history Mr. Hockey Gordie Howe, his centerman Ted Lindsay, and most recently Steve Yzerman and Dominik Hasek.

4- Boston: Another succesfull team, the Bruins were known as one of the best checking teams of all time. Have had what some consider the best hockey player of all time Offensive and Defensive Defenseman Bobby Orr, and awesome sniper Phil Esposito. Havent won a cup though since 1972.

5- Edmonton: Although a new team, entered the league in 1979 and only 4 years later won their first stanley cup by sweeping the defending champions in 4 games. Then repeated as champs the next year. However they lost the following year only to win another two in a row later and the last one in 1990. They were lead by the Great One Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Jari Kurri, Grant Fuhr and Paul Coffee.
1-New York Islanders-Only American based team in league history to win to four straight championships, only NHL team to win nineteen straight playoff series, a league record. Went to semi-finals, finals or won the cup nine out of ten straight years. Only one of two teams to come back from down 3-0 to win a series and repeated that incredible feat in the next round before losing a game seven. Set modern record of fifteen straight wins held by 1926 Boston Bruins before overtime was introduced. Swept Gretzky in 82-83 finals, rallied to defeat Mario Lemieux's defending champion Penguins in overtime of 1993 without Pierre Turgeon. Won four overtime game facing elimination against Washington in 1987, rallied from down 3-1 twice in playoff series to win series. First team in modern era to comeback down 2-0 to win a best of five series. Mike Bossy only player in NHL history to post
nine-straight fifty goal seasons on a defensive team and the player who brought 50 in 50 to the modern era. Bill Smith greatest money goalie in NHL history. Bossy, Trottier, Gillies, Potin, Smith, Arbour, Torrey and LaFontaine all in the HHOF.

Voted by the fans as the greatest team in NHL history on NHL.com in 1998.

Imagine how many more cups they would have had by now with a solid ownership in the nineties without Milbury and holding onto their young talent. All due respect to Montreal who is the clear number two. Greatest management in league history with Bill Torrey and Al Arbour that built a homegrown dynasty for all time and did it in an established conference as an expansion team in a market where the other team did not win a cup for 54 straight years.


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1-New York Islanders-Only American based team in league history to win to four straight championships, only NHL team to win nineteen straight playoff series, a league record. Went to semi-finals, finals or won the cup nine out of ten straight years. Only one of two teams to come back from down 3-0 to win a series and repeated that incredible feat in the next round before losing a game seven. Set modern record of fifteen straight wins held by 1926 Boston Bruins before overtime was introduced. Swept Gretzky in 82-83 finals, rallied to defeat Mario Lemieux's defending champion Penguins in overtime of 1993 without Pierre Turgeon. Won four overtime game facing elimination against Washington in 1987, rallied from down 3-1 twice in playoff series to win series. First team in modern era to comeback down 2-0 to win a best of five series. Mike Bossy only player in NHL history to post
nine-straight fifty goal seasons on a defensive team and the player who brought 50 in 50 to the modern era. Bill Smith greatest money goalie in NHL history. Bossy, Trottier, Gillies, Potin, Smith, Arbour, Torrey and LaFontaine all in the HHOF.

Voted by the fans as the greatest team in NHL history on NHL.com in 1998.

Imagine how many more cups they would have had by now with a solid ownership in the nineties without Milbury and holding onto their young talent. All due respect to Montreal who is the clear number two. Greatest management in league history with Bill Torrey and Al Arbour that built a homegrown dynasty for all time and did it in an established conference as an expansion team in a market where the other team did not win a cup for 54 straight years.
The Isles greatest franchise in NHL history ???

I know you're an Isles fan, but you have to be kidding.

The Isles Cup run was certainly one of the 3 or 4 best of all-time, no doubt about that, and they had a great 10 year run, but they're far from being the best NHL franchise of all-time.

#1. They've only been around for 32 years.

#2. The last 20 years of their existance the Isles have:
Missed the playoffs 10 times.
Won a total of 4 playoff rounds, none since 1993.


Isles were great from year 3-12 ... years 1,2 and 13 - present have been far from great.

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1-New York Islanders-Only American based team in league history to win to four straight championships, only NHL team to win nineteen straight playoff series, a league record. Went to semi-finals, finals or won the cup nine out of ten straight years. Only one of two teams to come back from down 3-0 to win a series and repeated that incredible feat in the next round before losing a game seven. Set modern record of fifteen straight wins held by 1926 Boston Bruins before overtime was introduced. Swept Gretzky in 82-83 finals, rallied to defeat Mario Lemieux's defending champion Penguins in overtime of 1993 without Pierre Turgeon. Won four overtime game facing elimination against Washington in 1987, rallied from down 3-1 twice in playoff series to win series. First team in modern era to comeback down 2-0 to win a best of five series. Mike Bossy only player in NHL history to post
nine-straight fifty goal seasons on a defensive team and the player who brought 50 in 50 to the modern era. Bill Smith greatest money goalie in NHL history. Bossy, Trottier, Gillies, Potin, Smith, Arbour, Torrey and LaFontaine all in the HHOF.

Voted by the fans as the greatest team in NHL history on NHL.com in 1998.

Imagine how many more cups they would have had by now with a solid ownership in the nineties without Milbury and holding onto their young talent. All due respect to Montreal who is the clear number two. Greatest management in league history with Bill Torrey and Al Arbour that built a homegrown dynasty for all time and did it in an established conference as an expansion team in a market where the other team did not win a cup for 54 straight years.
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The Isles greatest franchise in NHL history ???

I know you're an Isles fan, but you have to be kidding.

The Isles Cup run was certainly one of the 3 or 4 best of all-time, no doubt about that, and they had a great 10 year run, but they're far from being the best NHL franchise of all-time.

#1. They've only been around for 32 years.

#2. The last 20 years of their existance the Isles have:
Missed the playoffs 10 times.
Won a total of 4 playoff rounds, none since 1993.


Isles were great from year 3-12 ... years 1,2 and 13 - present have been far from great.
Montreal only had to win ten series to win five cups in the fifties. Also the Canadians had a pipeline of prospects dreaming to play for the Canadians since they were kids feeding their organization from Canada forever. Isles built their team from the bottom up with the Habs offering everything they could to get Denis Potvin.

I think only being around 32 years makes what they did more significant. All it took was one year under an ownership that spends and they returned to the playoffs.

No doubt the ten years with horrible owners was a disaster but no too many teams did what this team has done. The open fan voting in 1998 also supports my point whether I'm an Islander fan or not.

What US based team won more cups in a row in a league that started back in the mid-twenties where someone in the US should have won five or six in a row at some point with only six teams until 1967 ?

What team had won more playoff series in a row in league history?


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1. Montreal Canadiens. This isn't debatable. ONLY team to win 5 straight Stanley Cups ('56-'60). Then they return to win 4 straight cups (76-79). In that cup run they only lost 10 games (the Isles lost 18). Consistently defeated the Red WIngs of Howe, Sawchuk and Lindsay; the Black Hawks of Hull, Mikita and Hall, the Bruins of Esposito and Orr. Strung together a record 10 straight overtime wins in '93. Made the playoffs for 24 consecutive years.

1976-77 80 games played, 60 wins, 8 losses, 12 ties. 132 points. 387 goals for. 171 goals against. Differential +216. 33-1 at home. 12-1 in the playoffs, swept the Bruins for the Cup. Best. Season. Ever.

Rocket Richard was the first player to score 50 in 50. Henri Richard played for 11 Stanley Cup teams, Jean Beliveau 10. Ken Dryden wins 5 Vezina Trophys in 8 seasons and retires with the highest winning percentage for any goalie and is the real best money goalie of all time. 40 players in the Hall of Fame, 2 of whom have trophys named in their honor.

Frank Selke rebuilds to Canadiens from a cellar dweller when he took control of the team to a perennial power. For all intents and purposes he invents the whole system of farm teams the league uses now. Sam Pollock was the best GM in the history of the league as far trading players for picks and manipulating the draft to his favor every year. Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman have 13 Cups between them as coaches for the Canadiens.

I admith the original poster made a huge error not including the powerhouse Isles, but putting them number 1 might be a touch of homerism my friend. I'd probably put them at 3 behind Detroit.

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Montreal only had to win ten series to win five cups in the fifties. Also the Canadians had a pipeline of prospects feeding their organization from Canada forever. Isles built their team from the bottom up.

I think only being around 32 years makes what they did more significant.

No doubt the ten years with horrible owners was a disaster but no too many teams did what this team has done. The open fan voting in 1998 also supports my point whether I'm an Islander fan or not.

What US based team won more cups in a row in a league that started back in the mid-twenties where someone in the US should have won five or six in a row at some point with only six teams until 1967 ?

What team had won more playoff series in a row in league history?
The question isn't about best team (late 70's Habs, early 80's Isles, etc. etc.). Asking about best organization of all time.

The Isles had a great decade with Bossy, Potvin, Smith, Trottier, et. al. , but since they've left the Isles have been a non-factor (save 1993).

The Isles have never proven that they could build another great team. Part of it has been an ownership problem, but poor GM/coaching etc. has also been a factor.

Also, I don't see what them being based in the US has to do with anything. An NHL team is an NHL team, whether they're from Montreal, Toronto, New York or St. Louis.


Obviously the Habs are #1, with the 24 Stanley Cups, nobody else comes close.

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Games over .500

Montreal Canadiens - 1,015 (24 Stanley Cups)

Boston Bruins - 567 (5 Stanley Cups)

Philadelphia Flyers - 455 (2 Stanley Cups)

Detroit Red Wings - 229 (10 Stanley Cups)

Edmonton Oilers - 185 (5 Stanley Cups)

Toronto Maple Leafs - 91 (13 Stanley Cups)

New York Islanders - 34 (4 Stanley Cups)

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Actually this was about legendary teams. Is the standard career wins or games over five hundred?

These are all great teams and organizations. What the Habs did in the mid-seventies was incredible by any standard losing only eight games. They beat the Islanders twice in the playoffs during their reign and those Islander teams ran into a wall in those playoffs. Later on the Islanders rallied down 2-0 against Monteal to win their nineteenth series in a row.

I just think when the topic is legendary teams for one team to win the most playoff series in a row and stay champions for the longest amount of time is a fair standard to go by.

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Actually this was about legendary teams.

These are all great teams and organizations. What the Habs did in the mid-seventies was incredible by any standard losing only eight games. They beat the Islanders twice in the playoffs during their reign and those Islander teams ran into a wall in those playoffs. Later on the Islanders rallied down 2-0 against Monteal to win their nineteenth series in a row.
I just think when the topic is legendary teams for one team to win the most playoff series in a row and stay champions for the longest amount of time is a fair standard to go by.
Since when he listed the teams he was listing numbers for Montreal like 24 Stanley Cup Champs, two big dynasties etc. I believe he talking about entire histories for franchises.

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1. 1980s Oilers
2. 1960s Canadiens
3. 1970s Bruins
4. 1980s Islanders
5. 1950s Red Wings

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1. 1980s Oilers
2. 1960s Canadiens
3. 1970s Bruins
4. 1980s Islanders
5. 1950s Red Wings
no 1970's Habs ??? .. and I can't see the 70's Bruins make the list, only won 2 Cups, and not even back-to-back.

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no 1970's Habs ??? .. and I can't see the 70's Bruins make the list, only won 2 Cups, and not even back-to-back.
gotta give Orr some credit..

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gotta give Orr some credit..
70's Bruins w/ Orr were very good, but lost to the 70's Habs and the 70's Flyers.

IMO the Habs were the team of the 1970's & the Flyers & Bruins were tied for 2nd.

IMO Bruins & Flyers are a coin flip ... I'd give the Flyers a very slight edge, but you can go wither way.

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Habs of the 60s weren't even the best team their decade. 50s Habs yes, 70s yes, but 60s belonged to the Leafs

Teams by decades:
40s Leafs
50s Habs
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90s ???

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Habs of the 60s weren't even the best team their decade. 50s Habs yes, 70s yes, but 60s belonged to the Leafs

Teams by decades:
40s Leafs
50s Habs
60s Leafs
70s Habs
80s Oilers
90s ???
Unlike the past decades, the 90s really changed for commanding teams.

First half was sort of the Penguins, and the second half is pretty much a split between Detroit, Colorado or New Jersey. No clear cut winner by far.

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Pittsburgh had 3 very good years, but hardly dominant. The Redwings were always a little disappointing from 1993-1996. Jersey missed the playoffs after their cup win; Avalanche looked like the Atlanta Braves from their 96 cup to their 01 cup (team that should win but never did) No team can claim to have owned the decade.

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Habs of the 60s weren't even the best team their decade. 50s Habs yes, 70s yes, but 60s belonged to the Leafs

Teams by decades:
40s Leafs
50s Habs
60s Leafs
70s Habs
80s Oilers
90s ???
Leafs win the Cup in '62, '63, '64 and '67. The Habs win in '65, '66, '68 and '69.

That is not exactly "belonging" when Montreal wins as many as the Leafs.

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I'd say the most legendary single-season team of all time would be the 1976 Philadelphia Flyers.. it even got a reference on the Simpsons!

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1.) Montreal. Whether it's the team of the 50's (5 straight Cups, 6 total), the 60's (5 Cups) or the 70's (6 Cups), they are the most DOMINANT team in the history of the NHL.

2.) Toronto. They haven't done ANYTHING since the 60's, but they DID win 12 Cups (including as the St. Pats).

3.) Detroit. They have won 10 Cups, they are THE dominant team of the 90's easily (winning 90 more games than any other team in that span, plus 2 Cups in the 90's), they were the 2nd best team of the 50's, the 40's, and still pretty darn good in the 60's.

4.) Boston. In overall history of the NHL, they are right behind the Wings. The dominant team of the early 70's, and the second best team of the late 70's, plus they were always very good throughout the 80's and 90's. But in the 40's and 50's they were special, too. Should have won more Cups, but some flukes (Dryden, cheap-a** Flyers) got in the way. Almost good enough to win in 1978, but not quite. 5 Finals in the 1970's...pretty good.

5.) Edmonton. At the time I was not a HUGE fan of the team (I thought they were too cocky), but after seeing the style of play in the past 10 years fall so far, it makes me long for the days of the Oil. All-out offensive hockey, the way it was created, with a good enough defense and goaltending. The most entertaining team of all-time (except for the Denis Savard-led Hawks for a few years).

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Leafs win the Cup in '62, '63, '64 and '67. The Habs win in '65, '66, '68 and '69.

That is not exactly "belonging" when Montreal wins as many as the Leafs.
3 of the 4 years the Leafs won, they eliminated the Habs from the playoffs. (2 cup final and 1 semi)

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Since No One Ever Pays Attention To The Guy Who Starts Off These Threads...

1 - 1956-1960 Canadiens...easily The Greatest Team Ever...

2 - The 1984-1990 Oilers..easily The Second Best Ever...

3 - The 1976-1979 Canadiens...

4 - The 1962-1967 Leafs...

5 - The 1950s Red Wings...

Honorable Mention...the Bobby Orr Bruins...

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3 of the 4 years the Leafs won, they eliminated the Habs from the playoffs. (2 cup final and 1 semi)
Jean Beliveau has said that his biggest disappointment in hockey was 1967. Jean was anything but a sore loser, but he's still annoyed by losing when he felt they were the better team. He felt the 60's Habs were on a par with other great teams,including the 50's team he played on. If they had won in 67, we'd be talking about 5 straight. I think the Habs and Leafs were the 2 dominant teams of the 60's.

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Jean Beliveau just may be the classiest guy to have ever played the game. I really wish he had been a Leaf. My hero is Darryl Sittler and Beliveau was his, so by extension he's mine.

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Not to hijack the thread, because the topic is interesting, but about Beliveau. He was asked to join the Senate, but declined because he had family responsibilities. His son in law had died and he felt his daughter and grandchild needed him. He said that he was told that he could accept the position anyways and he said that he could not involve himself if he could not devote himself fully to the position. Can you imagine that attitude inthe Canadian Senate ?

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