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02-03-2012, 11:32 AM
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done for the season...

he's a bit overpaid, but is still a decent top-6 player/very good top-9 player, and while perhaps there are more vocal leaders on the team, he earned the "C" b/c of his attitude, work ethic and the "lead by example" type person he is.

at this point I doubt there would be any offers compelling enough to be worth moving him, though I would of course listen...

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02-03-2012, 11:33 AM
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3.5? Really?

The guy has scored 37 goals in 80 games and 32 in 87 games with the Habs before this year including playoff games.

5M on this year cap is only 7.8% of the cap, and if it goes up that % of the cap would go down even more.
People on here need a reality lesson, Gionta and Plekanec at 5 mil/year are not bad contracts, especially Plekanec.

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02-03-2012, 11:35 AM
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I think we should hold on to Gionta, he is a 30 goal scorer, a leader, plays with heart and soul and can lead this re-build until Gorges is ready to be the next captain.
He's a threat and backs teams up come playoff time. I think we now have the makings of a top line that we can hide him on the second line and counter-attack lower pairings. Problem is we still have to wait for Eller's game/body to fill out so we have legit size in the middle.

And without Markov...

Tank@!

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02-03-2012, 11:36 AM
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If we can? Absolutely. Since there's only 1 Pierre Gauthier, we won't be able to.

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02-03-2012, 11:38 AM
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No because I have his jersey...

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02-03-2012, 11:44 AM
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Given the demand for defenseman right now, Gill will be a good pick up for any contender. He's got lots of expeience and as much as our fans disagree, he knows how to play the position well. Problem is he has lost a lot of speed and isn't playing well this year so his value is down. Plus Gauthier doesn't seem like a good negotiater so a 2nd round pick just won't happen. An average prospect and a late pick is more realistic.
I would hang onto him. He's a necessary evil for when we play Boston.

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02-03-2012, 11:45 AM
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ya
get rid of our consistant 25+ goal per season

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02-03-2012, 11:48 AM
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get rid of our consistant 25+ goal per season
That's actually 2 years. And it's not like he's getting younger. But if you are right, and he is seen that way, there HAS to be a lineup filled of interested teams right? Would love to see that.

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02-03-2012, 11:50 AM
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Gills "play it cool" mentality is what makes him so good in the playoffs as a d-man. He doesn't panic.
No choice. He is sooo slow to react...... No wonder he is blocking so many shots. he can't get out of the way.

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Given the demand for defenseman right now, Gill will be a good pick up for any contender. He's got lots of expeience and as much as our fans disagree, he knows how to play the position well. Problem is he has lost a lot of speed and isn't playing well this year so his value is down. Plus Gauthier doesn't seem like a good negotiater so a 2nd round pick just won't happen. An average prospect and a late pick is more realistic.
Gill to Pitts for Tangradi ????


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02-03-2012, 11:55 AM
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No choice. He is sooo slow to react...... No wonder he is blocking so many shots. he can't get out of the way.
this post is funny, sad and partially true all the same time...


Watching Gill, i think you do have to credit him for really making the most out of his limited athletic ability.

He doesn't panic b/c he knows and accepts full well his limitations, and plays within them. It's an unheralded mental skill, and one that is at the core of most "successful" pro athletes (measuring success via career longevity).

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02-03-2012, 11:59 AM
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People on here need a reality lesson, Gionta and Plekanec at 5 mil/year are not bad contracts, especially Plekanec.
Plekanec is a guy that is just under a ppg player... Gionta racks up 40 to 50 on a good season. Not the same.

Many of the 20 goal scorer like he his are 3 to 4 in salary not 5.

Because yes hes a 20 . Not a 30 because he never scored 30 IN a season with US.

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02-03-2012, 12:00 PM
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I like Gill and he fits a need on the PK but I would be overjoyed if we got a 3rd rounder for him. Hell I'd be happy with a 4th rounder.

That said I hope we can get more but doubt Goat can do it

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Just like the media. Most don't like him for the same reasons they didn't like Saku. It's a language thing.

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02-03-2012, 12:08 PM
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[QUOTE=windycity;43523227]I like Gill and he fits a need on the PK but I would be overjoyed if we got a 3rd rounder for him. Hell I'd be happy with a 4th rounder.

That said I hope we can get more but doubt Goat can do it[/QUOTE]

Gauthier can do at least that.

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02-03-2012, 12:09 PM
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I like Gill and he fits a need on the PK but I would be overjoyed if we got a 3rd rounder for him. Hell I'd be happy with a 4th rounder.

That said I hope we can get more but doubt Goat can do it
I would offer him to teams like Chicago Phillie, Pittsburgh San Jose for a 2nd. First one that offers one gets him. If we can't get a 2nd by the deadline or a day or 2 before then maybe take a 3rd.

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02-03-2012, 12:12 PM
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I could definitely part ways with Gionta but because he is injured it won't happen. Maybe in the off season. Gorges is a great leader and could definitely take over the C for Gionta. Plus with Gallagher coming up, maybe not next year but definitely the year after, he plays a similar style to Gionta so we are replacing him.

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02-03-2012, 12:14 PM
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I like Gill and he fits a need on the PK but I would be overjoyed if we got a 3rd rounder for him. Hell I'd be happy with a 4th rounder.
Yeah honestly Habs fans are way to optimistic to think a 35 yr old, bad skating UFA whose only quality is playoff PK ability would get anything other than a 4th in return, there are a ton of guys who can do the similar job and are younger for a little more of a return.

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02-03-2012, 12:21 PM
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It will be interesting to see which of the Habs players are actually desired by other teams on deadline day. The deadline is usually all about adding spare parts, and we have a roster that is 80% full of spare part players. Here is my list of who will be traded. Its just a prediction so lets not take it too seriously.
1. Travis Moen (would keep him) Stanley cup winner and great team guy.
2. Andrei Kostitsyn. (In the right situation this guy could be a star, needs a good playmaker to set him up.)
3. Hal Gill, Pk value and stanley cup and mostly a spare part.
4. Kaberle... Might be valued because of his win last year with the Bruins.
5.Weber....Spare part 7th D.
6.Campoli...see above.

These players will likely all be gone on D day. I would love to see Gomez and Gionta gone but you can file that under...Not Going To Happen.

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02-03-2012, 12:22 PM
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Plekanec is a guy that is just under a ppg player... Gionta racks up 40 to 50 on a good season. Not the same.

Many of the 20 goal scorer like he his are 3 to 4 in salary not 5.

Because yes hes a 20 . Not a 30 because he never scored 30 IN a season with US.
Okay he was 2 goals away from 30 two years ago despite missing 21 games and missed 30 goals last year by 1 goal, either way he was in the top 30 in the league for goals both those years which is still good.

We need some veterans for the young guys on the team and Cole, Gionta and Gorges are good leaders for the young guys as they all play the game hard. Only way I'd trade Gio is if we got an offer which we couldn't refuse.

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02-03-2012, 12:27 PM
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Yeah honestly Habs fans are way to optimistic to think a 35 yr old, bad skating UFA whose only quality is playoff PK ability would get anything other than a 4th in return, there are a ton of guys who can do the similar job and are younger for a little more of a return.
There isn't a ton of dmen as good as him in the PK, maybe 4-5 in the NHL, watch our pk once we trade him, he makes a 5 vs 4 almost a 5 vs 4 by himself.

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02-03-2012, 12:41 PM
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Plekanec is a guy that is just under a ppg player... Gionta racks up 40 to 50 on a good season. Not the same.

Many of the 20 goal scorer like he his are 3 to 4 in salary not 5.

Because yes hes a 20 . Not a 30 because he never scored 30 IN a season with US.
Thanks man! I don't even have to respond.

And yes! Big difference between him and Gionta. I really think Plekanec is a top30 scorer in this league and I like the contract he signed with us. And again, Gionta doesn't hurt this team but I still think that at 5M we could get another player that address our needs better.

And what is this stat? 30 goals in 87 games? Playoffs and Regular Season are two different things.

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02-03-2012, 12:44 PM
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Anyway, he's injured, won't be traded and I'm ok with it.

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Thanks man! I don't even have to respond.

And yes! Big difference between him and Gionta. I really think Plekanec is a top30 scorer in this league and I like the contract he signed with us. And again, Gionta doesn't hurt this team but I still think that at 5M we could get another player that address our needs better.

And what is this stat? 30 goals in 87 games? Playoffs and Regular Season are two different things.

You still answered

Exactly what i meant again, I love Gionta (When he's not shooting from the blue line on a breakaway.....) but he's overpaid and thats it.

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02-03-2012, 12:47 PM
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Plekanec is a guy that is just under a ppg player... Gionta racks up 40 to 50 on a good season. Not the same.

Many of the 20 goal scorer like he his are 3 to 4 in salary not 5.

Because yes hes a 20 . Not a 30 because he never scored 30 IN a season with US.
First point, he is a 40-50 point guy with us because he has mainly been playing with Gomez as his Centre. His last year with the Devils he had 40 ast. So he can pass the puck.

In regards to being a 20 goal score, he a lot closer to a 30 goal scorer than a 20 goal score.

And like I said, and other have said, he scored 28 goals in 61 games, and instead of prorating that, if you actually take into account the 19 playoff games he played that year, he scored another9 goals.

37 goals in 80 games.

Last season he scored 29 in 82 games.

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he won't be traded, he's a smurf and over paid at that, he fit's right in

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