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02-03-2012, 02:37 PM
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If Gionta is traded, you would need to replace his production, most likely through Free Agency, if most of those guys hit the open market, what would we have to pay to get them? Almost the same amount as we paid for Gionta.

Again like I said early, he might be overpaid by maybe 500K, there is no way you can get the same amount of production for anything around 3-4M, unless your giving up assets for.

Guys score around the same amount of goals as Gionta

Pominville 5.3
Cammalleri 6
Laich 4.5
Havlat 5
Malone 4.5
Alfredsson 4.8
Hold your horses here...

Pominville and Alfredsson are waaaay better than Gionta.

Cammaleri was signed by the same inept GM than Gionta.

Havlat is a much better player... when playing.

Laich and Malone have size.

If a team is willing to take on Gionta's salary, he's theirs for a small return. Let him walk, get rid of Gomez and finally the idiotic 2009 summer will be past us.

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02-03-2012, 02:54 PM
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Hold your horses here...

Pominville and Alfredsson are waaaay better than Gionta.

Cammaleri was signed by the same inept GM than Gionta.

Havlat is a much better player... when playing.

Laich and Malone have size.

If a team is willing to take on Gionta's salary, he's theirs for a small return. Let him walk, get rid of Gomez and finally the idiotic 2009 summer will be past us.
Pominville and Alfredsson have scored almost the same rate of goals in the past few years.

Cammalleri, ok he was signed by us, but Flames feel like he is worth 6M...

Havlat also has no produced the same amount of goals as Gionta

Laich and Malone are bigger, but haven't produced with that size.

Again, the main point I'm trying to make is that, if you want to retool and be productive next year, it is better to keep Gionta, because to replace his production, its going to be by giving up assets, that we can't afford to give up, or by signing some for the probably the same amount.

Now if the team is looking to completely rebuild, no point of keeping Gionta, even if the return is a pick, but that doesn't seem to be the case.


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02-03-2012, 03:31 PM
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Bob McKenzie: "Won't be surprised if 2012 1st round picks are used as trade currency"

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Based on talks with scouts re: 2012 draft class, won't be surprised if 1st round picks used as trade currency in coming weeks.#draftnotdeep
May not mean anything for the Habs, but it'd be nice if a team were to be desperate enough to deal a late 1st rounder for a guy like Gill, Moen or Campoli.

Likely wishful thinking on my part though.

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02-03-2012, 03:33 PM
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Likely wishing thinking on my part though.

ummmmm.....yeah. I would say so.

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02-03-2012, 03:34 PM
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May not mean anything for the Habs, but it'd be nice if a team were to be desperate enough to deal a late 1st rounder for a guy like Gill, Moen or Campoli.

Likely wishing thinking on my part though.
by unseemly GM's?

Man if your not nervous , something isn't right ..

You can't discount PG dealing Habs first....

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02-03-2012, 03:34 PM
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The only Habs that could be realistically dealt, straight-up, for a first-rounder, are Plekanec and Kostitsyn (maybe Gionta if he was back into play before the trade deadline)

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ummmmm.....yeah. I would say so.
One can dream though, right?

But in all seriousness, obviously these guys won't get you a 1st rounder in return, but it's interesting to hear this now, considering that the 2012 draft was originally thought to be a fairly deep first couple of rounds.

Now, it appears the belief is that the talent level drops off significantly after the first 10-15 or so.

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by unseemly GM's?

Man if your not nervous , something isn't right ..

You can't discount PG dealing Habs first....
Well, I'm hoping/assuming he isn't dumb enough to do that. That would be horrible, and yes that's an understatement.

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02-03-2012, 03:38 PM
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i said this many times, but Habs should call Columbus offer Price for the Columbus 1st, Brassard,a player plus another pick or player.

Then fire Gauthier and Gainey , Habs draft 1 and 2 .....


offseason start new.

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02-03-2012, 03:38 PM
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What do we gain by giving away a player like Plekanec for a first round pick? Aside from this season, he has shown that he can be a consistent 20g, 60 points center while playing a great 2-way game. He is also signed up to a great price of 5M per year, and is in his prime.

I think we would all be happy if a first rounder turned into a player like Plekanec, but it just doesn't make any sense to lose Plekanec and hope that the 1st can turn into something better.

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02-03-2012, 03:39 PM
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Trades at 2011 deadline :

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=67765

There aren't a lot player traded that fetched a 1st round pick. But looking at this, we might probably get a 2nd rounder for Gill.

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02-03-2012, 03:40 PM
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i said this many times, but Habs should call Columbus offer Price for the Columbus 1st, Brassard,a player plus another pick or player.

Then fire Gauthier and Gainey , Habs draft 1 and 2 .....


offseason start new.
For what purpose? Price is a franchise goalie and a rebuild starts with one. The reason you've said it many times and nobody's agreed is because it's mental

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02-03-2012, 03:42 PM
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For what purpose? Price is a franchise goalie and a rebuild starts with one. The reason you've said it many times and nobody's agreed is because it's mental
drafting 1 and 2 in 2012 draft equals franchise solid for next 10 years...
One year retool....

You don't need a franchise goalie to win the cup, just look back .

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02-03-2012, 03:43 PM
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drafting 1 and 2 in drat equals franchise solid for next 10 years...

You dont need a franchise goalie to win the cup, just look back .
You do need a franchise goalie if you're not stacked absolutely everywhere else and have top 5 picks for 5 years. Price isn't and won't be dealt. It makes no sense.

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02-03-2012, 03:44 PM
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We have better chance to see Gauthier trade our first round pick than seeing gauthier get a first round pick in a trade.

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You do need a franchise goalie if you're not stacked absolutely everywhere else and have top 5 picks for 5 years. Price isn't and won't be dealt. It makes no sense.
just let this sink in, we got Price "franchise" minus Markov where in last place....

MG and NY set this team into a cup contender!(high power offense)


You can have best goalie in world, but he can't score you goals to win.
Habs lose alot of 1-2 goal games.

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02-03-2012, 03:44 PM
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With Timmins as our head scout perhaps we should be acquiring more. 2007 was supposed to be weak and we ended up with McDonagh, Patches, Subban and Weber with no high picks. Even Conboy and Fortier could potentially crack the NHL.

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02-03-2012, 03:45 PM
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I'm just scared Gauthier will shop our 1st for a disappointing player.

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You do need a franchise goalie if you're not stacked absolutely everywhere else and have top 5 picks for 5 years. Price isn't and won't be dealt. It makes no sense.
If Price cannot be signed long term like Gorges they should trade him before he becomes the next Luongo somewhere else and we get nothing in return for him.

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I'm just scared Gauthier will shop our 1st for a disappointing player.
Doubtful. In the whole Gainey/Gauthier era they traded one 1st rounder, it was the 25th overall pick. I doubt they start now 12 points back of a playoff spot. Also, I don't think Gauthier has ever moved his 1st rounder as a GM when he was with ottawa or Anaheim(actually he did once in 1999).


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Well that's great news! We have plenty of assets to flip for another 1st Round Pick!

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02-03-2012, 03:53 PM
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i said this many times, but Habs should call Columbus offer Price for the Columbus 1st, Brassard,a player plus another pick or player.

Then fire Gauthier and Gainey , Habs draft 1 and 2 .....


offseason start new.
You would think that some fans woudl have learned after we traded Patrick Roy.

When you have a franchise goalie you KEEP him.... rebuilding starts from the net out.

Now Price may not be the next Roy, but after Price...it's a HUGE step down in our goalie depth...unless you want to see Budaj every night!

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Like some of you said, what scares me is that Gauthier might be on the other side of the fence... meaning trading our 1st 2012 for Dustin Penner or some BS lol. On the other hand, if we can grab another 1st by trading 1 of our guys then nice!

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You would think that some fans woudl have learned after we traded Patrick Roy.

When you have a franchise goalie you KEEP him.... rebuilding starts from the net out.

Now Price may not be the next Roy, but after Price...it's a HUGE step down in our goalie depth...unless you want to see Budaj every night!
Nyhabsfan,

Getting 1st overall in 2012 , Brassard, another roster player plus another pick or roster player, isn't the Roy trade....


Price

In return for

1st over all(Mikhail Grigorenko)
Brassard (6th over all 2006)
Player
Player or pick .


Not Roy trade at all, it's a excellent return.

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Nyhabsfan,

Getting 1st overall in 2012 , Brassard, another roster player plus another pick or roster player, isn't the Roy trade....


Price

In return for

1st over all(Mikhail Grigorenko)
Brassard
Player
Player or pick .


Not Roy trade at all, it's a excellent return.
Usually a trade should make sense for both team, you amaze me by making a trade that doesn't work for either team.

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02-03-2012, 04:02 PM
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Usually a trade should make sense for both team, you amaze me by making a trade that doesn't work for either team.
It doesn't on who's end?

Jackets need a goalie ,I mean bad.

They don't get one, there moving out of town.

They don't got another 5 yrs to develop one.

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