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05-20-2012, 04:23 PM
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Sobotka could be that 3rd line center and I think it's pretty likely that Nichol is re-signed but I do think the Blues need to add a 3rd line caliber center though as you can't rely on all 4 of Backes, Bergy, Sobotka & Nichol staying healthy for the whole season.

I'd look to guys like:

Jarrett Stoll
Chris Kelly
Paul Gaustad
Daymond Langkow
Torrey Mitchell
Adam Burish
Is this list ranked in preferential order?


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So Pavelski and Staal are the only "comparable" players that earn less, and Staal will be getting a contract close to, or more, than $6m. Ruutu isn't close and earns more.

The cap has went up significantly; it isn't 2008 and $50m, it will likely be in the region of $68m next season and salaries will rise based on that. It is now a situation where the likes of Grabovski earns $5m+ a year. That is what happens when you have an average of $3m to spend on each player.

Last season, with a cap under $60m cap, Jordan Staal wasn't worth $6m a year. Next season with it close to $70m... he is.
Krejci just re-upped his contract this year and is no where close to $6M. I would say they are pretty comparable players value wise.

Also, I don't think Grabovski is a great example, because Burke overspends on FAs.


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Adding Wellwood as a stopgap, temporary fill-in during a time of unusual roster depletion due to injury, is quite different from being "fond of him" as a full-time, regular line starter, at free-agent prices. I suspect he'd be at least a minor liability on defence, and his offensive production is likely (based on his past history) to not warrant taking on that liability at whatever free agent bid up price he'd accept.

I'll be surprised if Armstrong signs him. Are you thinking of him on the 3rd line? If so, is it because you expect BOTH Langenbrunner AND Arnott gone, or those two AND D'Agostini gone, as well?
Maybe "fond of" was bad wording...How about "familiar with" instead? And yes, I was definitely thinking 3rd line centre. It has already been reported that Arnott probably isn't going to return next season. I think Langenbrunner could walk as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if he signs for one more year either. D'Agostini is obviously already signed and I think should/will be retained. But I'm not sure how that really matters as neither of those players can fill that void. TBH I don't know a ton about Wellwood either, but I just figured I'd throw his name out there since he's familiar with our team, seems to have a knack for winning face-offs, has decent shootout history, and once played a 3rd line centre role for Vancouver behind Kesler, and Sedin.

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Maybe "fond of" was bad wording...How about "familiar with" instead? And yes, I was definitely thinking 3rd line centre. It has already been reported that Arnott probably isn't going to return next season. I think Langenbrunner could walk as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if he signs for one more year either. D'Agostini is obviously already signed and I think should/will be retained. But I'm not sure how that really matters as neither of those players can fill that void. TBH I don't know a ton about Wellwood either, but I just figured I'd throw his name out there since he's familiar with our team, seems to have a knack for winning face-offs, has decent shootout history, and once played a 3rd line centre role for Vancouver behind Kesler, and Sedin.
Just say "no" to Wellwood, unless the Blues can get him without having to give up any kind of asset in exchange.

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05-20-2012, 07:59 PM
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Just say "no" to Wellwood, unless the Blues can get him without having to give up any kind of asset in exchange.
He's a free agent.

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Just say "no" to Wellwood, unless the Blues can get him without having to give up any kind of asset in exchange.
That's right. A late summer scrap heap thing.

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05-20-2012, 08:18 PM
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He (Wellwood) is a free agent.
Then he can be Option "D," or whatever. I would certainly not make his acquisition a priority if I was Doug Armstrong.

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05-20-2012, 08:29 PM
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Sobotka could be that 3rd line center and I think it's pretty likely that Nichol is re-signed but I do think the Blues need to add a 3rd line caliber center though as you can't rely on all 4 of Backes, Bergy, Sobotka & Nichol staying healthy for the whole season.

I'd look to guys like:

Jarrett Stoll
Chris Kelly
Paul Gaustad
Daymond Langkow
Torrey Mitchell
Adam Burish
I'd love for Kelly or Gaustad to be the Blues' third line center.

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Then he can be Option "D," or whatever. I would certainly not make his acquisition a priority if I was Doug Armstrong.
Completely 100% agree. Again, I just figured I'd throw his name up there as a possible "back-up" plan. Ideally, I want someone like J.Staal who can really solidify our top nine. But at the same time...I don't want to trade the farm to acquire that type player either.

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McClement for the 4th line? Too pricey?

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So Pavelski and Staal are the only "comparable" players that earn less, and Staal will be getting a contract close to, or more, than $6m. Ruutu isn't close and earns more.

The cap has went up significantly; it isn't 2008 and $50m, it will likely be in the region of $68m next season and salaries will rise based on that. It is now a situation where the likes of Grabovski earns $5m+ a year. That is what happens when you have an average of $3m to spend on each player.

Last season, with a cap under $60m cap, Jordan Staal wasn't worth $6m a year. Next season with it close to $70m... he is.
$64 mil is far less than $70

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Sobotka could be that 3rd line center and I think it's pretty likely that Nichol is re-signed but I do think the Blues need to add a 3rd line caliber center though as you can't rely on all 4 of Backes, Bergy, Sobotka & Nichol staying healthy for the whole season.

I'd look to guys like:

Jarrett Stoll
Chris Kelly
Paul Gaustad
Daymond Langkow
Torrey Mitchell
Adam Burish
You don't want Torrey Mitchell.

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05-24-2012, 04:31 PM
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I don't quite understand why the Blues need a center.

Having big, two-way centers isn't a requirement, it's just how the team happened to have been built. Andy McDonald can be a center as long as there's a two-way presence on his line. He can play like Arnott did and have someone like Steen or Oshie take on the defensive duties. The Blues really don't need to go after a FA forward if Tarasenko comes over.

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05-24-2012, 04:41 PM
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I don't quite understand why the Blues need a center.

Having big, two-way centers isn't a requirement, it's just how the team happened to have been built. Andy McDonald can be a center as long as there's a two-way presence on his line. He can play like Arnott did and have someone like Steen or Oshie take on the defensive duties. The Blues really don't need to go after a FA forward if Tarasenko comes over.
I agree that McDonald could be great as a 3rd line centre....The problem I have with that is can he stay healthy?

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05-24-2012, 09:59 PM
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I don't quite understand why the Blues need a center.

Having big, two-way centers isn't a requirement, it's just how the team happened to have been built. Andy McDonald can be a center as long as there's a two-way presence on his line. He can play like Arnott did and have someone like Steen or Oshie take on the defensive duties. The Blues really don't need to go after a FA forward if Tarasenko comes over.

Because the team's system is built around size, defensive play and aggressiveness from the center position. It's one thing to have Sobotka handle the defensive duties for Arnott for a few shifts late in a game IF Arnott is showing some wear; but it is an entirely different issue to put the winger into a defensive role for an entire game. You have to shift the way you forecheck in order to accommodate that, and our forecheck IS our system.

NO, this team needs a center capable of handling major defensive duties this summer. Shifting our wingers around or moving players out of their current positions isn't going to work with the system we play.

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05-24-2012, 10:06 PM
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NO, this team needs a center capable of handling major defensive duties this summer. Shifting our wingers around or moving players out of their current positions isn't going to work with the system we play.
Agreed, but I think even this is being too light. The center needs to be able to handle major two way play. The Blues' third line appears to be one with substantial offensive upside, a center who can help in that environment is going to be critical.
Someone like Stoll is needed, someone like Gaustad would be a poor decision.

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[QUOTE=Celtic Note;49932077]Is this list ranked in preferential order?

Not really. I'd probably rank Kelly first and Stoll second but both are probably going to be pretty expensive.

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05-24-2012, 11:49 PM
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I would absolutely love to sign McClement. I was very sad to see him go. His penalty killing is next to none in the NHL. I think his contract would be a little too steep though.

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I would absolutely love to sign McClement. I was very sad to see him go. His penalty killing is next to none in the NHL. I think his contract would be a little too steep though.
Not at all. His cap hit last season was only $1.45M and he just turned 29. Sounds good...sign me up.

The Blues are not getting so-called #1 center help this summer, so Plan B is Backlund or McClement.

Backes
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Looks decent. Far from great looking, but certainly workable.

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05-25-2012, 01:59 PM
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Backlund - what are the strengths of his game?

Love Jay M as a 4th line PK center but doesn't give you enough on O to be a 3rd line center.

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Backlund - what are the strengths of his game?

Love Jay M as a 4th line PK center but doesn't give you enough on O to be a 3rd line center.
Agreed. I think some just have too much love for former Blues.

He would be great for a 4th line center/PK specialist. If he is needed for more than that, you have issues. Maybe he can fill in part time as a 3rd line center with injuries, but that should not be the normal spot for him, especially on the Blues.

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Backlund - what are the strengths of his game?

Love Jay M as a 4th line PK center but doesn't give you enough on O to be a 3rd line center.
I like his level of on-ice awareness and his playmaking ability has yet to be tapped partly due to an injury. Here is what Elite Prospects has to say about Backlund. Not sure how old this is.

"Backlund has above average skating ability, is strong physically and somewhat aggressive. He is also equipped with good hands and hockey sense. His technical skills along with his passes and goal scoring/release ability make him an intriguing prospect. Could, however, work on his defensive game and consistency."

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Agreed. I think some just have too much love for former Blues.

He would be great for a 4th line center/PK specialist. If he is needed for more than that, you have issues. Maybe he can fill in part time as a 3rd line center with injuries, but that should not be the normal spot for him, especially on the Blues.
McClement is still a premier defensive forward with very good faceoff skills at 51.3% last regular season. And he just turned 29 a couple months ago. 4th line is fine with me. It has nothing to do with nostalgia, but certainly a comfort level is involved because we all know how good he is and how good he will continue to be. He is in his prime now. Arguing nostalgia is kinda weak dude. Is there a legitimate reason that JayMc is a poor fit?

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I think if it's a choice between Nichol and McClement for a 4th line centre, JMac is a huge improvement. He's bigger, better defensively and significantly younger. I agree with what others have posted however, Jay should only be used as a 4th liner with occasional spot duty on the 3rd line. I suggest dump Nichol, insert JMac and keep Sobotka on the wing. This means we still have to go out and find a decent 3rd line 2way centre, however.

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I think the main issue with McClemment would be contract length, not price.

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I'd love to see McClement come back for a 4th line roll. Loved him as a Blue, one of my favourites from when I became a hardcore fan right around the lock out due to finding sites like this one(and getting Centre Ice, so I watched a lot more).

Scored like 10 more points then Nichol, so he is better offensively. Bigger, younger.

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I'd love to see McClement come back for a 4th line roll. Loved him as a Blue, one of my favourites from when I became a hardcore fan right around the lock out due to finding sites like this one(and getting Centre Ice, so I watched a lot more).

Scored like 10 more points then Nichol, so he is better offensively. Bigger, younger.

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I think it might be difficult to get a guy you traded away as a 3rd line center to come back and play 4th line center. The main reason a lot of Avs fans think he won't resign in Colorado is because he wants to land a top 9 role somewhere and they are stacked up the middle.

I still think Stoll is the guy to target for 3rd line C. He won't fetch much more than what we were paying Arnott, he is younger and been a very consistant 40+ point guy year in and year out. Then you have Sobotka take on the 4th line role.

Our centers would be: Backes, Berglund, Stoll and Sobotka

Problem though, we would be stacked on the wings with the additions of Schwartz and Tarasenko full time.

Top 9 Wingers: Perron, Oshie, Tarasenko, McDonald, Schwartz, Steen, Stewart, D'Agostini.

That is 8 wingers for 6 spots, I can smell a trade coming.

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