From that, the players that look like Sharks kinda players I'd say are..
#11 Zemgus Girgensons: Strengths: A smart, all-around player with size and skating ability. Good hands, heavy shot, tough and competitive, can play any style of game. A safe pick, he will play in the NHL.
#25 Stefan Matteau: Strengths: Plays a power forward style similar to his father's and is strong, competes well, has a good shot and works the wall effectively. Also a physical player who shares the puck. A student of the game, he has good character and leadership qualities.
#30 Colton Sissons: Strengths: Strong character, a hard-nosed kid, pays the price to get little things done that aren't always noticed, strong along the boards and in front of the net, has a good wrist shot from the slot that usually finds the mark, really good hockey sense, a gifted goal scorer and strong anticipatory skills. Weaknesses: Skating issues will need to be addressed, lack explosiveness in his stride. Too small to be a bruiser in the pros.
If it were my pick though, id be looking at someone like;
#16 Sebastian Collberg: Strengths: Has elite offensive skills, including great speed, soft hands and a nose for the puck. Uncanny puck sense and instincts, a top-notch playmaker. Great one-on-one skills.
A hit or miss prospect who has the offensive game that our prospects really lack.
Kimmelman: #22 - Codi Ceci, D, Ottawa (OHL)
"Big blueliner comes from athletic family -- dad played football, mom was a figure skater."
Morreale: #22 -*ANDREAS ATHANASIOU, C, London (OHL)
"Fantastic puck skills, lightning speed and one of best penalty-killers in the draft."
Hoffner: #22 - Tanner Pearson, LW, Barrie (OHL)
"Pearson was passed up twice in previous drafts, but it won't happen again."
I don't like the idea of picking someone in round 1 that was passed over, and they make the London kid sound like a 3rd liner.
3rd line at the #22 pick is on target for average skill available at that point in almost all drafts. If he is a HF "A" ranking (sure shot), it isn't a bad pick. If it is another "C", that's another story.
I've never understood what the point is in ever picking a guy with third-line upside. They're the easiest players in the world to acquire through free agency.
3rd line at the #22 pick is on target for average skill available at that point in almost all drafts. If he is a HF "A" ranking (sure shot), it isn't a bad pick. If it is another "C", that's another story.
I don't pay any attention at all to HF rankings, they seem to miss a whole lot more than most.
Back to Athansasiou, not sure if it's the PK part that makes one think he's a 3rd liner, but yeah, in this draft if the Sharks can get a good 3rd liner at #22 (I think his upside is much closer to 2nd line) I'd be pretty happy.
I've never understood what the point is in ever picking a guy with third-line upside. They're the easiest players in the world to acquire through free agency.
We are dealing with scoutspeak which is not particularly straightforward in its meaning. They are close enough for me to know that I would take an "A" prospect any day of the week over a "C" prospect. For me a 7.0A is far greater than a 7.5C.
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I don't pay any attention at all to HF rankings, they seem to miss a whole lot more than most.
Back to Athansasiou, not sure if it's the PK part that makes one think he's a 3rd liner, but yeah, in this draft if the Sharks can get a good 3rd liner at #22 (I think his upside is much closer to 2nd line) I'd be pretty happy.
The numeric rankings pretty much refer to the physical part of the player's game. Hands, skating, size, etc. Hockey IQ is somewhat split between the number and letter. The mental part is pretty much the letter grade. Motivation, IQ, etc. How obsessive is he about workouts, etc.? How much is he a student of the game? In this case, I am probably talking about the difference between a 7A and a 7C.
They do miss a lot on the letter grades. They tend to overrate size on the number part. It is hard to get a handle on letter grades because most of the people around the player are going to give glowing reports which can cause issues for the scouts. I look for little slips in the quotes that indicate chinks in the armor.
The numeric rankings pretty much refer to the physical part of the player's game. Hands, skating, size, etc. Hockey IQ is somewhat split between the number and letter. The mental part is pretty much the letter grade. Motivation, IQ, etc. How obsessive is he about workouts, etc.? How much is he a student of the game? In this case, I am probably talking about the difference between a 7A and a 7C.
They do miss a lot on the letter grades. They tend to overrate size on the number part. It is hard to get a handle on letter grades because most of the people around the player are going to give glowing reports which can cause issues for the scouts. I look for little slips in the quotes that indicate chinks in the armor.
I understand how HF does their rankings, it's just not the first (or 2nd, 3rd or 4th) place I look for info / rankings on prospects.
Considering how many good draft eligible prospects are injured right now and the fact that there are few high end forwards, yet it's deep on Defense (and a few high end goalies) it's pretty hard to get a grasp on where the rankings will end up (outside of the top 8-10) and who may still be available in the range where the Sharks will (hopefully) be drafting.
I'd really prefer the Sharks draft a foward w/ their first pick but I won't be at all surprised if they pick a d-man.
I'd really prefer the Sharks draft a foward w/ their first pick but I won't be at all surprised if they pick a d-man.
It absolutely astounded me when Tim Burke stated that if they had no one special in mind that they might as well draft a dman. I would imagine the logic holds when he has two equal players in his sights, one dman and one forward. That reasoning should absolutely be turned on its head but it does support your intuition about the org. With that reasoning, is it any surprise about the Sharks' lack of forward depth?
I've never understood what the point is in ever picking a guy with third-line upside. They're the easiest players in the world to acquire through free agency.
If we're talking about a Travis Moen, Torrey Mitchell, or Jim Slater, sure, those types are largely dime a dozen. However, if you get a Clutterbuck, Simmonds, or even a Malhotra, than you've got a player who can be more valuable than a borderline second liner, like a Kostitsyn or Bertuzzi (Detroit, not Van).
If we're talking about a Travis Moen, Torrey Mitchell, or Jim Slater, sure, those types are largely dime a dozen. However, if you get a Clutterbuck, Simmonds, or even a Malhotra, than you've got a player who can be more valuable than a borderline second liner, like a Kostitsyn or Bertuzzi (Detroit, not Van).
most guys don't reach their full potential. i doubt malhotra was supposed to be a 3rd liner when he's picked 7th overall. if you pick a 3rd line-upside type, you could end up with a 4th liner or AHL-er.
NHL looks at defense prospects. Includes some comments from Sharks Head of Amateur Scouting Tim Burke.
From the article: Burke (on defenseman Morgan Reilly)
"He has the wow factor," San Jose Sharks Director of Scouting Tim Burke told NHL.com. "He's an exciting player you're going to have reel in a little bit, but if he's not hurt, he's a different kind of player. He's got the great speed. He's a risky guy, but he's fun to watch."
They think the defenseman are the better bets out of this draft. Hopefully, SJ's scouts have learned some lessons over the years on which d-man to take.
I'd really like to see them get Olli Maata or Derrick Pouliot as well but that's unlikely unless they trade up and/or major drop. I can see Maata falling a bit but not into the 20s.
Never to early for a draft thread, and it gives us something other then how bad the sharks are playing right now to talk about.
Anyway who would you like to see drafted with this pick? Assume the pick to be in the 20-25 range, no matter how bad we're playing atm...
My top 3 picks to make are as follows in 3-1 order
Matt Finn. D, Guelph, OHL
Matt Finn has the skills to log serious minutes and shows good offensive capabilities through smart decision making. The Storm defenseman has the potential to become a top four blueliner
he could very well be an excellent top 4 blueliner. Seems like a vlasic clone to me, with some offence in him. oh and the puns, so many many puns he could provide
Andrey Makarov G, Saskatoon, WHL
Yes we have many goaltending prospects, but none have as high a ceiling as makarov does. He was brilliant in the WJC, until Canada exploded, but i saw plenty of nabokov traits in him.
Brendan Gaunce F, Belleville, OHL
Ive seen mocks with him going at 8, others have him at 29, so i put him here in hopes he falls to us. If its expected he wont, id package our pick with the 2nd to move up and get him. He fills many needs
Other people i thought of were Frk, but he resembles havlat a bit to much, in terms of play and injuries as well. Tom Wilson is the safe pick, but will top out as a 3rd liner imo. Nick Ebert could be a Fowler like steal, as his stock is plumiting as people nitpick his game.
