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02-05-2012, 12:04 AM
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That's not true. Goaltending is still an issue for many teams, and there is clearly a class of goaltenders that is above the others.

No one would dare to say all centers are the same. Why do people make the ridiculous assertion that all goalies are the same?
The spread in talent among goaltenders isn't as large as it once was. They aren't the same, there are guys who are clearly at the top (Thomas) and guys near the bottom (say... Khabibulin to pick a name I'm famliar with) but the difference between guys, especially guys near the middle (say the 6th-best and the 16th-best guy isn't all that big anymore.

I suck at evaluating goaltenders but if you don't think Price is a top-5 goaltender in the past 3-year period (or 2-year period though his "Bad year 3 years ago wasn't all that bad.. best to look at multiple years) and think he isn't highly likely to improve to that level going forward then it's probably not worth paying the big bucks for him. If your evaluation is that he's an indisputable top-5 guy then you pay him the money, move on. I'm not sure he's a top-5 though.

I think that the new GM should at least look at the market for Price and what it would cost to bring in a Vokoun/Bobrovsky type who won't hurt you but won't break the bank. If he isn't a top-5 goaltender he might have a a higher value than warranted with his pedigree and the hype.


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02-05-2012, 07:15 AM
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The spread in talent among goaltenders isn't as large as it once was. They aren't the same, there are guys who are clearly at the top (Thomas) and guys near the bottom (say... Khabibulin to pick a name I'm famliar with) but the difference between guys, especially guys near the middle (say the 6th-best and the 16th-best guy isn't all that big anymore.

I suck at evaluating goaltenders but if you don't think Price is a top-5 goaltender in the past 3-year period (or 2-year period though his "Bad year 3 years ago wasn't all that bad.. best to look at multiple years) and think he isn't highly likely to improve to that level going forward then it's probably not worth paying the big bucks for him. If your evaluation is that he's an indisputable top-5 guy then you pay him the money, move on. I'm not sure he's a top-5 though.

I think that the new GM should at least look at the market for Price and what it would cost to bring in a Vokoun/Bobrovsky type who won't hurt you but won't break the bank. If he isn't a top-5 goaltender he might have a a higher value than warranted with his pedigree and the hype.
i agree with most of what you said but what truly seperates the elite goaltenders from the rest is consistency. consistently putting up .920 and higher numbers year in and year out. not many goalies can do that

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02-05-2012, 08:30 AM
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He stole games but his teammates gave them back.
now we are seeing what happens when Price is human , not superman

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02-05-2012, 08:52 AM
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In november......Price played 11 games.....
GAA : 1.97
SV%: 92.9%

Great....really great stats by Price in novembre.....still, that gives him only 5 WINS IN 11 GAMES (5-4-2)

In January, he played 9 games
GAA: 2.10
SV%: 92.1%

Still not good enough again....only 4 wins in 9 games.
No wonder why the guy is pissed off right now.

No matter how well he played, the team let him down so many time.....

Look, Fleury for exemple.....in januray, played 11 games:
GAA: 2.35
SV%: 90.9%

Not nearly as good as Price....but he got 8 wins (8-3-0)

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02-05-2012, 09:22 AM
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This year, the only positive we can take out of it is that IMO it will go a long way in terms of the retooling of this club.

Price stealing games isnt going to help us at this point. He's had a strong season, proving the skills are there.

Next year, we will do much better, and when we are in the thick of things, IMO Price will have his vengeance on the league.

Chalk up this year as an experience builder though... & add a move or 2, the return of the Mak (Markov), and a high end draft pick (along with possibly Louis Leblanc), and we wil be back in business.

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02-05-2012, 09:24 AM
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When was the last time he stole a game for us? How many times has he stole one this season?
Yes lets trade Price.

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02-05-2012, 09:27 AM
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As much I want Price to be better, and reach his potential, not enough people realize that our defence.../ goals against has not been so bad, it is quite decent all things considered...we lose because of weak goals for ability...that is indeed sub par...not to mention a league's worst pp and ot/shoot out record...so as much it is easy to pile on price let us not forget these factors in our deliberations...also yes...the 15+ games we blew two or more goals leads...lastly some goalies are over rated and are one hit wonders or just rather...beneficiaries of team circumstances...goalies are so dependent of the team surrounding them...there is always 5 players the other team has to go through before getting to you as a goalie...the last line of defence...Elliot's sick stats right now...would you take him over price? Hmmmm and put any struggling hab on a better performing team and watch this player excel, the reverse is true of an incoming player to our team, individuals in a team sport are so dependent on the collective performance of the team so in essence it is not easy for the untrained eye to clearly see and evaluate individual performance

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02-05-2012, 09:30 AM
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OK, let's say that Price turns a zero point game into a two point game each month. We are four months into the season, so that would give the Canadiens an extra eight points, which would still leave them five points behind the 8th place team. Not only would this put the team in line for a worse draft pick, it would also encourage management to make trades for veteran players to help push to make the playoffs.

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02-05-2012, 09:38 AM
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He played well that game but didn't had to stand on his head. I'm looking for a game where Habs get totally dominated but the goalie saves the day.
you just described it.

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02-05-2012, 10:12 AM
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There has been games where we we got outchanced and outshot by a lot but, in way that fits our really weird luck of how our offense is spread out(as in we technically shouldm't be that low in the standings with that goal differential) those were the games where we ended up scoring alot of goals even if we didn't get a lot of scoring chances during that game. People will forget the goalies performance if the team ends up scoring 5, even if they got outplayed.

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02-05-2012, 12:11 PM
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Carey Price has managed to "lead" the Habs to the bottom of the East this year.

Great job, Carey!

Nice accomplishment.

Imagine if Theodore, Huet, or even Halak had done that one.

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02-05-2012, 01:05 PM
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almost every game we win is because price is standing on his head saving our ass when we can barely put the puck in the net.

can't win if we don't score!

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02-05-2012, 04:03 PM
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I'll say it again " trade Price "

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02-05-2012, 04:40 PM
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Price is good but he always blows up the lead

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Why won't Price let us tank properly? Trade that scrub

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02-05-2012, 04:56 PM
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Carey Price has managed to "lead" the Habs to the bottom of the East this year.

Great job, Carey!

Nice accomplishment.

Imagine if Theodore, Huet, or even Halak had done that one.
you seem senile enough to actually have been born in 1909...

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Carey Price has managed to "lead" the Habs to the bottom of the East this year.

Great job, Carey!

Nice accomplishment.

Imagine if Theodore, Huet, or even Halak had done that one.
If a goalie that has 0.900 sv% played every game instead of price we'd have 165 goals allowed instead of 145 and would be 4th worst amongst all teams in that category. Its safe to say we would be close to Colombus.

With Price we are in 14th position for that stat. Sadly the team can't score.

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02-05-2012, 05:47 PM
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Not publicly. He's over that garbage. In the dressing room may be another matter. He is a god in Montreal now. He hasn't been super stellar this year and has been exempt from the fans wrath.
That never happens in Montreal! The team is sucking and the fans still love the goalie. Weird...

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02-05-2012, 05:53 PM
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Alot of fans don't realize Price's style makes it seems like he never steals games. He isn't going to look anywhere near as active as Jose Theodore did when he's stealing games.

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Alot of fans don't realize Price's style makes it seems like he never steals games. He isn't going to look anywhere near as active as Jose Theodore did when he's stealing games.
You're right, but it has been common for Price to let in a stinker or two every few games. It didn't happen as often last year. We have certainly seen him have a better season before, but we've also seen him much worse. I tend to believe, he will only get better as he gets older. That's scary good.

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Price has managed to put up an impressive GAA of 2.38 and a save % of .915 playing behind Subban, Gorges, 2 rookies and plugs like Kaberle, Gill and Campoli... he's done enough to give us a chance to win almost every night its our pathetic offense and powerplay that has killed us.

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02-05-2012, 06:03 PM
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Alot of fans don't realize Price's style makes it seems like he never steals games. He isn't going to look anywhere near as active as Jose Theodore did when he's stealing games.
I agree. Theodore moved too much and was often out of position. Some saves he made looked stellar because he got back to his position just in time to make the save.

Price doesn't move as much and isn't out of position very often. Which means that the saves look a lot more easy for him.

I'm really confident with Price. With a half-decent team, he's gonna be very good. Well, like last year for example.

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yeah most goals on him will be scrappy in front of the net where no one knows where the puck is. but other than that, if he can see it, it will be stopped. no more high glove side weakspot for him. his techinque, as far is positioning and squaring up and how far in or out of the crease, is 100% perfect. he makes everything look easy because he barely has to move, (of course his size also allows him to play like he does). he uses his physical assets very well. i love thomas and guys like that. visually entertaining, but unecessary exertion of energy and acrobatics if you're in the right place to begin with. big sprawling saves are generally the biproduct of poor positioning, and having to save your own ass in spectacular fashion. price is business as usual. routine motions, programed like a binary code.

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In november......Price played 11 games.....
GAA : 1.97
SV%: 92.9%

Great....really great stats by Price in novembre.....still, that gives him only 5 WINS IN 11 GAMES (5-4-2)

In January, he played 9 games
GAA: 2.10
SV%: 92.1%

Still not good enough again....only 4 wins in 9 games.
No wonder why the guy is pissed off right now.

No matter how well he played, the team let him down so many time.....

Look, Fleury for exemple.....in januray, played 11 games:
GAA: 2.35
SV%: 90.9%

Not nearly as good as Price....but he got 8 wins (8-3-0)
Wow i guess this proves that prices is NOT a problem this years.. its obv the guys in front of him

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