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Pronger calls upon NHL, union to re-open labour talks

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10-21-2004, 04:15 PM
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Pronger calls upon NHL, union to re-open labour talks

http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/natio...ger041021.html

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Doesn't get any bigger name than this.

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I dunno, Bobby Orr is a pretty big name. I wonder if Gretzky or Mario are going to say anything soon.

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Neither Gretzky or Mario can say anything without getting fined.

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The owner's take-it-or-leave-it approach? I only agree that that revenue and expenses need to be tied together and how ever that could be done is fine. I just don't understand how he can say the owners approach is take it or leave it. If thats the case then doesn't it work in reverse for the NHLPA? No cap take it or leave it. We need another 20-30 players come out of the wood works to get this thing maybe back to the table. The other report I saw where the union was looking to get the players together in Toronto in maybe a month(forgot where I saw it), doesn't seem to me that they are ready to negotiate either. The Flyer owner with his comments just don't help either calling Goodenow a liar. This blame thing back and forth is just really starting to tick me off.

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Oh that's right. Man, gag orders suck. Freedom of speach, huh? My foottocks!

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A few more name players to speak out and we should see some sort of meeting between Abbott and Costello!

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"Even if you're not going to talk to the other guy, why not put forward some ideas you have so the public can see them and can say, 'These guys are putting forward an effort.' "

maybe because the union will be reemed in the public's eye yet again if they put forward a wishful thinking/no hope in hell proposal that the union has been working towards that doesn't tie revenue and expenses...come on PA, try your best, it still won't matter because whatever the owners say is a "cap" and you'll have "none of it"

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In this week's John Buccigross column on ESPN, he includes an interview with a recent ex-owner Gordon. Interesting comments (if you'd like to have a bit of an idea of what the average owner might be thinking).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...ohn&id=1904436

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another part of this article quotes pronger as saying he sees the end of his days in St. Louis

"Dreger: Do you at times question your future with the Blues, or do you think you have reason to question your future?

Pronger: "I would say so yeah, I would think after this CBA is settled, when it's all said and done, I'll be unrestricted. You know when I was a restricted free agent I was able to talk to a few teams a gauge their interest and see where I fit into the mix with those teams that I spoke with."

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Needless to say, those comments have Blue fans quite concerned. Chances are that this will be the beginning of the end for Pronger as a Blue. St Louis fans are quite sensitive to this sort of thing and when an athlete (on any of the teams) hints that he might want to leave, the fans almost always have a 'Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out' attitude.

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It'll be nice for Chris when he finally gets his unrestricted free agency, something few players will likely ever have to wait as long as him to get again, that he can go to a champ. THats the nice thing about being a UFA. YOu get to choose where you want to go for the first time.

St Louis is a team that will obviously be screwed in a new order. They have been late to the rebuilding era, and this will be the decade of the teams that built properly. IF I was Pronger, Id want to get out of there as fast as possible too

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If you think St Louis is a team that will 'obviously be screwed' then you're not looking very closely at all. Try again...

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It'll be nice for Chris when he finally gets his unrestricted free agency, something few players will likely ever have to wait as long as him to get again, that he can go to a champ. THats the nice thing about being a UFA. YOu get to choose where you want to go for the first time.
its nice for the players and the rich teams, but its bad for the rest of the league. a great player leaving a "weaker" team to join the champ, oh sure, that will make the games more interesting, we have 10 teams that dominate and 20 teams that cant compete with them, that sure is healthy for the league.

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St Louis is a team that will obviously be screwed in a new order. They have been late to the rebuilding era, and this will be the decade of the teams that built properly. IF I was Pronger, Id want to get out of there as fast as possible too
if a team is paying me $10M/yr to play hockey, i would want to get out of there as fast as possible too.

 
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Man it hurts to say this......


Way to go Pronger.

No deal can be reached if neither side is to stubborn to starts talking. We need more players to voice their opinion.

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another part of this article quotes pronger as saying he sees the end of his days in St. Louis

"Dreger: Do you at times question your future with the Blues, or do you think you have reason to question your future?

Pronger: "I would say so yeah, I would think after this CBA is settled, when it's all said and done, I'll be unrestricted. You know when I was a restricted free agent I was able to talk to a few teams a gauge their interest and see where I fit into the mix with those teams that I spoke with."
Maybe I overlooked it or just missed it all together, but where in this article or any links to this article did you see this? I am not saying he didn't say it, I just don't see it in anything related to this article.

I think all players probably questioned their tenure with a team at one time or another, Borque did, Gretzky did, why not Pronger? I would hate to see him leave (read: crying uncontrollably into my Blues jersey), but I would understand it with wanting to get a Cup (Stanley that is ).

BTW...Dabo, you don't have a Pronger Jersey do you???

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Pronger is being a hypocrite.He says less PR,more negotiations,but what is he doingR and he's a player rep.

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Maybe I overlooked it or just missed it all together, but where in this article or any links to this article did you see this? I am not saying he didn't say it, I just don't see it in anything related to this article.
I guess the article isnt the same one. The topic was the same so i just assumed.

i am referring to this article, which also quotes him as saying hes already talked to other teams.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/artic...21_143026_5624

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its nice for the players and the rich teams, but its bad for the rest of the league. a great player leaving a "weaker" team to join the champ, oh sure, that will make the games more interesting, we have 10 teams that dominate and 20 teams that cant compete with them, that sure is healthy for the league.
so then you are on the side that is anti cap right ? becuase to get a cap, the age of UFA will surely come down to the 26 or 27 year old level. Right at the age that Iginla is at and Lecavalier will be in a few years. Hey, this CBA protects CGY and TBY's exclusive right to that player, but a capped NHL wont.

Sayonara to stars in small markets.

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BTW...Dabo, you don't have a Pronger Jersey do you???


I do....yes I do.......

For those who care...everytime I put a name on the back of a jersey, somehow, someway they seem to disappear from that team.

Federko, Micheletti, Joseph, Turek, Hendrick, Templeton (all though I don't mind this one now).

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so then you are on the side that is anti cap right ? becuase to get a cap, the age of UFA will surely come down to the 26 or 27 year old level. Right at the age that Iginla is at and Lecavalier will be in a few years. Hey, this CBA protects CGY and TBY's exclusive right to that player, but a capped NHL wont.

Sayonara to stars in small markets.

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Yeah buy the Rangers will have the same cap as everyone else, so what if Iginla/Lecav become UFAs at 27, who's going to sign them, Nashville? Columbus? Everyone else would be above a cap.

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Yeah buy the Rangers will have the same cap as everyone else, so what if Iginla/Lecav become UFAs at 27, who's going to sign them, Nashville? Columbus? Everyone else would be above a cap.
The fact is, currently NO ONE WILL TRY and sign him. Under a capped CBA with a lower UFA, the Flames may WANT to pay him 8m, but maybe wont be able to even pay him 5m and any team with enough cap room will have access to signing Iginla. This is a protection CGY currently has in today's CBA and probably wont have in a capped NHL.

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The fact is, currently NO ONE WILL TRY and sign him. Under a capped CBA with a lower UFA, the Flames may WANT to pay him 8m, but maybe wont be able to even pay him 5m and any team with enough cap room will have access to signing Iginla. This is a protection CGY currently has in today's CBA and probably wont have in a capped NHL.

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under a capped cba, the monetary value of EVERYONE across the board will come down significantly, no longer would the rangers or leafs or wings pay the sky high prices for a ufa like in the past few years. sure each of the mentioned teams may WANT to pay that much, but i highly doubt any team would ACTUALLY pay that much, thus making all players across the board affordable for every team

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under a capped cba, the monetary value of EVERYONE across the board will come down significantly, no longer would the rangers or leafs or wings pay the sky high prices for a ufa like in the past few years. sure each of the mentioned teams may WANT to pay that much, but i highly doubt any team would ACTUALLY pay that much, thus making all players across the board affordable for every team
so what, the fact remains that under today's CBA the NYR or TOR wont even bother trying to sign him, and under a capped CBA with a lower UFA they will have that chance.

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so what, the fact remains that under today's CBA the NYR or TOR wont even bother trying to sign him, and under a capped CBA with a lower UFA they will have that chance.

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who said? didnt rangers offer sakic $21M when hes a RFA? didnt the hurricans (not a big market team) sign fedorov to an offer sheet when hes a RFA? under the old CBA, whos to say iginla wont be signed by anybody? and if a team like the leafs (for example), knowing the flames cant afford to sign iginla to a huge contract, comes alone and offer $30M for 3 yrs, but $20M pay up front as signing bonus, do u think the flames can afford to match it?
fact is, under the old CBA, all teams still have the chance to sign (steal) star players from small (or even big) market teams, it offer no protection at all.

 
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