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02-06-2012, 01:25 PM
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Who said anything about Chara? Strawman?

All kidding aside, do you honestly believe Seguin doesn't benefit from the talent that surrounds him?
I should use that analogy to judge every danm player.

Hmm, Stamkos would be a 20G scorer without MSL.
James Neal sucks, he should give all his money and goals to Malkin.
John Tavares would suck without PA Parenteau.
Thomas would suck so much if it wasn't for the Great D Boston has.
The Sedins would be lucky to be in the top 20 without each other.

See what i'm getting here?

Hockey is a team game, everyone is dependent on the system they play or the linemates they have. Players have success because they are good, and can thrive in the situation they are put into.

Lets try to put Kadri in Seguin role ... Its very doubtful if he can put the same type of numbers and impact on that team.

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02-06-2012, 02:06 PM
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I should use that analogy to judge every danm player.

Hmm, Stamkos would be a 20G scorer without MSL.
James Neal sucks, he should give all his money and goals to Malkin.
John Tavares would suck without PA Parenteau.
Thomas would suck so much if it wasn't for the Great D Boston has.
The Sedins would be lucky to be in the top 20 without each other.

See what i'm getting here?

Hockey is a team game, everyone is dependent on the system they play or the linemates they have. Players have success because they are good, and can thrive in the situation they are put into.

Lets try to put Kadri in Seguin role ... Its very doubtful if he can put the same type of numbers and impact on that team.


My point was more like, put Seguin into a #1 center role on the Leafs and do you think he matches or exceeds his totals this season? Remember, he wouldn't have Kessel on his wing.

Anyways, it's a rhetorical question. Of course he wouldn't be putting up the same numbers.

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02-06-2012, 02:10 PM
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Sounds like Seguin is the only player that is the by product of his team's success.
He's actually one of many.

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02-09-2012, 08:54 PM
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Burke's Leafs is exactly the kind of team he said he did not want!

Burke made the comment that "He did not want a team that makes it to the playoffs, and then gets their ***** kicked in the 1st round".

That is exactly the team it is. That is even if they make it to the post season. This team will get crushed by Boston or Philly and beaten by any team in the top of the east standings.

Its not good enough to beat the weaker teams now and every time we play the Bruins or Flyers its a smoke show.

Something needs to change in order for this team to to actually make it to the post season and contend for a Stanley Cup.

1. #1 Goalie
2. New Coach
3. Connolly, Komisarek, Armstrong, Lombardi gone! 15.75M of wasted cap space.

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02-09-2012, 08:55 PM
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A winning team!

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Thats why there will be a trade. Watch

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Burke made the comment that "He did not want a team that makes it to the playoffs, and then gets their ***** kicked in the 1st round".

That is exactly the team it is. That is even if they make it to the post season. This team will get crushed by Boston or Philly and beaten by any team in the top of the east standings.

Its not good enough to beat the weaker teams now and every time we play the Bruins or Flyers its a smoke show.

Something needs to change in order for this team to to actually make it to the post season and contend for a Stanley Cup.

1. #1 Goalie
2. New Coach
3. Connolly, Komisarek, Armstrong, Lombardi gone! 15.75M of wasted cap space.
You're misunderstanding the quote though. Burke was referring to the proposition of trading future(s) for upcoming UFA(s), to boost our playoff chances.

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02-09-2012, 09:05 PM
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Burke made the comment that "He did not want a team that makes it to the playoffs, and then gets their ***** kicked in the 1st round".

That is exactly the team it is. That is even if they make it to the post season. This team will get crushed by Boston or Philly and beaten by any team in the top of the east standings.

Its not good enough to beat the weaker teams now and every time we play the Bruins or Flyers its a smoke show.

Something needs to change in order for this team to to actually make it to the post season and contend for a Stanley Cup.

1. #1 Goalie
2. New Coach
3. Connolly, Komisarek, Armstrong, Lombardi gone! 15.75M of wasted cap space.
Maybe Burke is saying the right thing to get the media and fans all excited (truculence, exciting hockey just like we saw tonight) but is really talking hot air - you know like he has no idea how long the rebuild will take.

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02-09-2012, 09:23 PM
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You're misunderstanding the quote though. Burke was referring to the proposition of trading future(s) for upcoming UFA(s), to boost our playoff chances.
People love to ignore what Burke was talking about. Shocking, I know.

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Burke made the comment that "He did not want a team that makes it to the playoffs, and then gets their ***** kicked in the 1st round".

That is exactly the team it is. That is even if they make it to the post season. This team will get crushed by Boston or Philly and beaten by any team in the top of the east standings.

Its not good enough to beat the weaker teams now and every time we play the Bruins or Flyers its a smoke show.

Something needs to change in order for this team to to actually make it to the post season and contend for a Stanley Cup.

1. #1 Goalie
2. New Coach
3. Connolly, Komisarek, Armstrong, Lombardi gone! 15.75M of wasted cap space.
wont beat any team at top of east? you sir must have forgot Florida is at top of east. but seriously spot numero seis is where we wanna be.

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I don't know why Burke doesn't just go out to the big-tough-skilled-players tree, and pick a few off.

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I don't know why Burke doesn't just go out to the big-tough-skilled-players tree, and pick a few off.
Well Burke must have known that those type of players are hard to come by, why then would he promise truculence? Burke just says anything to placate the masses.

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I don't know why Burke doesn't just go out to the big-tough-skilled-players tree, and pick a few off.
I know. It is not like he had three years to plant and water a tree.

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Burke's criteria should be:

Size
Skill
Speed


Do we have all of those? he's done a fairly good job, but the trades is what I am most impressed with.

Now if he can get a legit #1 centre and some size at the TD... then this team is on tis way!

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He's actually one of many.
Like Kessel and Lupul.

I'd agree though, Seguin is boosted by Bergeron.

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Burke made the comment that "He did not want a team that makes it to the playoffs, and then gets their ***** kicked in the 1st round".

That is exactly the team it is. That is even if they make it to the post season. This team will get crushed by Boston or Philly and beaten by any team in the top of the east standings.

Its not good enough to beat the weaker teams now and every time we play the Bruins or Flyers its a smoke show.

Something needs to change in order for this team to to actually make it to the post season and contend for a Stanley Cup.

1. #1 Goalie
2. New Coach
3. Connolly, Komisarek, Armstrong, Lombardi gone! 15.75M of wasted cap space.
Q: how the hell does a new coach and/or more capspace make us a better team facing off against Boston/Philly?

A: It doesn't.

This team needs more size and grit in the top 6. You can bet Burke's looking for it, but just because he looks doesn't mean someone else is willing to sell one of these valuable players.

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Well Burke must have known that those type of players are hard to come by, why then would he promise truculence? Burke just says anything to placate the masses.
He has aquired plenty of truculence.

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He has aquired plenty of truculence.
If the only criteria to sign players is truculence, an effin monkey could GM an NHL squad. Who has Burke acquired that is truculent and can also play hockey? Mike Brown? Yeeeeeeeeahhh a 4th line plug who can put up 8 points a season...and the Leafs have him all locked up for another 3 years. Genius.

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I agree with hockeyfanz. If a guy isn't putting up 40 pts, I don't want him on this roster. That's all I'm looking at.

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I agree with hockeyfanz. If a guy isn't putting up 40 pts, I don't want him on this roster. That's all I'm looking at.
Yeah cause thats exactly what I said and fully implied. Thats stupid. I merely pointed out that the truculence promised by Brian Burke is a load of BS....glad you're one of those smarter hockey fans who eats up this garbage.....I guess I'm the gullible one eh? Show me the truculence wise guy? Go through the roster. Tell me who is actually a good hockey player and is also a gritty truculent player?

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Didn't Burke say that he has abandoned that idealism?

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I'm confused by this thread direction.

Burke said he wanted a truculent team. He wanted a team that would be hard to play against.

This team is a lot better than the team he inherited, but it is not very truculent. We have largely eliminated the scrums in front of our net (step 1) but we haven't created enough scrums in front of our opponent's net (step 2)

I'd suggest Burke does not consider his job finished at this point, so he is still looking to acquire truculence.

Before, we had no skill and no truculence.

Now, we have more skill and some back-end truculence.

Presumably we have more skill and more truculence to come.

What, on Earth, is the problem?

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I'm confused by this thread direction.

Burke said he wanted a truculent team. He wanted a team that would be hard to play against.

This team is a lot better than the team he inherited, but it is not very truculent. We have largely eliminated the scrums in front of our net (step 1) but we haven't created enough scrums in front of our opponent's net (step 2)

I'd suggest Burke does not consider his job finished at this point, so he is still looking to acquire truculence.

Before, we had no skill and no truculence.

Now, we have more skill and some back-end truculence.

Presumably we have more skill and more truculence to come.

What, on Earth, is the problem?
From what I read I think the problem is expectations.

Maybe some fans would be overjoyed and excited that their child is getting closer and closer to passing grade 2. And how dare, some fans think that after three years of trying they would have passed by now.

Of course, this is not about passing grade 2.
This is about how long it takes Burke to keep his word.

And eventually if someone is all hot air and no results, at some point people start to question the integrity or effectiveness.

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From what I read I think the problem is expectations.
That's exactly the problem.

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That's exactly the problem.
Brian Burke said he wasn't interested in a five year rebuild plan and he said he wasn't interested in losing in the first round. Brian Burke is clearly a man of the people.

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