Is this a guy garth goes after. he seems to be exactly what this team needs, so does garth go after him? or at the very least give him a phone call come july 1st?
Does he? Yes. Does he state so publicly after he signs with another team? Yes.
0.0001% chance Suter signs with NYI, where he is stating that NASH needs to 'show me they want to spend to put a winner on the ice.' NYI have no skin in that game when you float rookie cap bonuses and over 35er bonuses to reach the cap floor.
He'll get paid a similar salary by a team that is much further along or has demonstrated they want to win.
Is this a guy garth goes after. he seems to be exactly what this team needs, so does garth go after him? or at the very least give him a phone call come july 1st?
He has to. Suter is capable of changing the whole complextion of the Islanders defense.
He has to. Suter is capable of changing the whole complextion of the Islanders defense.
The only way he signs at NYI is Isles blow away on the offer AND he wants to be the man to help contribute to restoring the franchise. The latter is the Peca and Chara to BOS argument rationale.
I just don't see a guy that's been all in with NASH is gonna wanna come to another situation of uncertainty (arena/moving) that has been somewhat of a cloud in NASH the past 5 years.
The only way he signs at NYI is Isles blow away on the offer AND he wants to be the man to help contribute to restoring the franchise. The latter is the Peca and Chara to BOS argument rationale.
Chara also had a relationship with Chiarelli from Ottawa.
The only way he signs at NYI is Isles blow away on the offer AND he wants to be the man to help contribute to restoring the franchise. The latter is the Peca and Chara to BOS argument rationale.
I just don't see a guy that's been all in with NASH is gonna wanna come to another situation of uncertainty (arena/moving) that has been somewhat of a cloud in NASH the past 5 years.
Are there any of these men anymore? A person who says 'they're going to win because I'm going to teach them to win'? I've always thought I would be that type of player if I were a pro athlete. Kinda like tavares is. He is here because if the islanders can win a cup on his watch he will be immortalized.
Are there any of these men anymore? A person who says 'they're going to win because I'm going to teach them to win'? I've always thought I would be that type of player if I were a pro athlete. Kinda like tavares is. He is here because if the islanders can win a cup on his watch he will be immortalized.
Few and far between. Remember when Peca was acquired he was a holdout - wanting to repair his reputation - and Wang was a 'new' owner without a track record but selling the 'we are gonna spend, build, and commit to winning.' It was the perfect play for his type of player.
Now? Wang has his NHL reputation and it's not in the good side of the house. CHI had issues until the owner passed. BOS, same when mgmt was cleaned out.
What does everyone think about going after Olli Jokinen?
I definitely think he is our answer for our 2nd line center problem. He is 6'3'' and he hasnt scored less than 50 points since the 01-02 season. He's only 33 and could provide quality "veteran leadership" that current management loves
It wont matter who plays with MM and JT, that line will provide enough offense
I like the Ullstrom-Nielson-Bailey line as our third line
So having Jokinen center our second line could answer our lack of scoring problem
The question is does Garth even go after him and if so how much would it cost in terms of years and money?
My guess is it would take something close to 4-5 years at 4.5-5 million to get him here and in my opinion that would be worth it considering we have to spend close to 12 million to reach the cap floor
Only big name connect Isles have to Suter is through Parise and thats through Okposo. Parise and Okposo are boys off ice. Only way Sutter signs here is if they do pull off a dual signing situation. Remember, Islanders have taken care of their own and more than a few agents would speak well their behalf if they show the money. And its common knowledge around the league that our prospect pool is very very good. If we were a Canadien team/big market team that got coverage I'd have no doubt it would be even more talked about. Guys see a Tavares, they know the systems stocked and have seen how quick the Pens/Caps/Hawks turned it around once their system was restocked. The Islanders have some things that could work in their favor, and its gonna come down to how serious they are about winning. They have to bring another star on the market at an inflated price and hope they got enough ambassadors in Okposo/Weight/Nabby/Tavares to get guys to commit.
Unfortunately I think their rep is too damaged. They will need to make some structural changes and make some kind of statement on their future. I don't think the Islanders are ready to show their hand and because of that no one is gonna sign here.
Are there any of these men anymore? A person who says 'they're going to win because I'm going to teach them to win'? I've always thought I would be that type of player if I were a pro athlete. Kinda like tavares is. He is here because if the islanders can win a cup on his watch he will be immortalized.
When it comes to UFAs, that statement is code for "they haven't had a winning season in 20 years, but they offered me a lot more money than anyone else, so...."
Basically, it would be what Parise/Suter would say after signing a 12 year $120M deal with the Isles.
When it comes to UFAs, that statement is code for "they haven't had a winning season in 20 years, but they offered me a lot more money than anyone else, so...."
Basically, it would be what Parise/Suter would say after signing a 12 year $120M deal with the Isles.
Which is the reason Snow needs to do HIS work at the draft and acquiring legit NHL players before UFA season.
If you actually demonstrate to the market you are serious and execute on it, before the UFA market opens, then it might be that much easier to sign a UFA when money is not the issue, but the organizations commitment to winning is.
Which is the reason Snow needs to do HIS work at the draft and acquiring legit NHL players before UFA season.
If you actually demonstrate to the market you are serious and execute on it, before the UFA market opens, then it might be that much easier to sign a UFA when money is not the issue, but the organizations commitment to winning is.
Very true. If Snow swings a deal at the draft and picks up an impact player or two, UFA's will take notice. If he does nothing, then nothing will change. The onus is on him and Wang if they really want to ice a winning team rather.
Only big name connect Isles have to Suter is through Parise and thats through Okposo. Parise and Okposo are boys off ice. Only way Sutter signs here is if they do pull off a dual signing situation. Remember, Islanders have taken care of their own and more than a few agents would speak well their behalf if they show the money. And its common knowledge around the league that our prospect pool is very very good. If we were a Canadien team/big market team that got coverage I'd have no doubt it would be even more talked about. Guys see a Tavares, they know the systems stocked and have seen how quick the Pens/Caps/Hawks turned it around once their system was restocked. The Islanders have some things that could work in their favor, and its gonna come down to how serious they are about winning. They have to bring another star on the market at an inflated price and hope they got enough ambassadors in Okposo/Weight/Nabby/Tavares to get guys to commit.
Unfortunately I think their rep is too damaged. They will need to make some structural changes and make some kind of statement on their future. I don't think the Islanders are ready to show their hand and because of that no one is gonna sign here.
The arena is the biggest issue imo....Who wants to make a commintment long term with an uncertain future.....If it were me and I had a family and I didnt know anything about LI then I would NOT come here to play unless I knew they were staying.....I dont care how Greta Tavares is, guys are not going to wanna play for a franchise with a big question mark...
The arena is the biggest issue imo....Who wants to make a commintment long term with an uncertain future.....If it were me and I had a family and I didnt know anything about LI then I would NOT come here to play unless I knew they were staying.....I dont care how Greta Tavares is, guys are not going to wanna play for a franchise with a big question mark...
I don't think the arena is an issue for players, even the possibility of relocating isn't important for players because they can be traded all the time and if they ask for a trade they will be traded.
Important is to win and of course the guys you are playing with. Who would like to play with Mottau, Rolston or Wallace because the only thing they would do is bringing your stats down and stats are important for your next contract. If Wang would spend to the cap everything would change
The arena is the biggest issue imo....Who wants to make a commintment long term with an uncertain future.....If it were me and I had a family and I didnt know anything about LI then I would NOT come here to play unless I knew they were staying.....I dont care how Greta Tavares is, guys are not going to wanna play for a franchise with a big question mark...
Does PHO really have a problem signing UFA players considering it's very long ownership nightmare? Not really.
Did ATL have a problem signing UFA players considering it's very long ownership nightmare? Yes.
One can argue both have new buildings (Yippee!) and one team has been owned by the NHL so it has a vested interest in the performance of the product, but the absolute differentiators are the management team, coaching staff, and commitment to putting a winning product on the ice.
PHO stunk under Barnett/Gretzky, but has been a very good team in trying times under Maloney/Tippett. ATL, much like CLB, had terrible management and coaching staff.
I don't think the arena is an issue for players, even the possibility of relocating isn't important for players because they can be traded all the time and if they ask for a trade they will be traded.
Important is to win and of course the guys you are playing with. Who would like to play with Mottau, Rolston or Wallace because the only thing they would do is bringing your stats down and stats are important for your next contract. If Wang would spend to the cap everything would change
If Wang would spend TO WIN to the cap.....Rolston was $5M he could have overpaid Erhoff to achieve. Now this summer he has the funds to pay top talent.
Or just acquire a contract with any player attached to it.
It wont matter who plays with MM and JT, that line will provide enough offense
I like the Ullstrom-Nielson-Bailey line as our third line
So having Jokinen center our second line could answer our lack of scoring problem
Problem is, you never know which Jokinen you're getting...
Even if possible, that's a signing that could backfire.
Didn't the team reportedly offer Erhoff 5.5 million per for 6 years?
Yes, the point was we go from paying $50,000 on a Corvette to paying $50,000 for a 1979 Ford Grenada.
And Erhoff is good, but hardly worth the money as Crew said. We might have gotten lucky there. Then again, it could be a year one of a new deal phenomenon like we have two of.
Yes, the point was we go from paying $50,000 on a Corvette to paying $50,000 for a 1979 Ford Grenada.
More like going from paying $50,000 on a Corvette to paying $45,000 for a 1979 Ford Grenada while also selling a very used Chevrolet Chevette for $15'000.
What does everyone think about going after Olli Jokinen?
I definitely think he is our answer for our 2nd line center problem. He is 6'3'' and he hasnt scored less than 50 points since the 01-02 season. He's only 33 and could provide quality "veteran leadership" that current management loves
It wont matter who plays with MM and JT, that line will provide enough offense
I like the Ullstrom-Nielson-Bailey line as our third line
So having Jokinen center our second line could answer our lack of scoring problem
The question is does Garth even go after him and if so how much would it cost in terms of years and money?
My guess is it would take something close to 4-5 years at 4.5-5 million to get him here and in my opinion that would be worth it considering we have to spend close to 12 million to reach the cap floor
What do you think in terms of years/money?
I have been saying the same thing in other threads. He would be our missing piece. I would also make him captain of this team, and it would cost probably over 5 million to get him.
A new coach and Jokinen makes us a playoff team, as he would ignite Grabner and Okposo.
If we don't sign PAP we would have to move Martin to the first line, with your 3rd line set as is. Assuming a 4th line of Cizikas centering 2 veteran UFA pickups, maybe Richard Park returns to this team on the 4th line.
I have been saying the same thing in other threads. He would be our missing piece. I would also make him captain of this team, and it would cost probably over 5 million to get him.
A new coach and Jokinen makes us a playoff team, as he would ignite Grabner and Okposo.
If we don't sign PAP we would have to move Martin to the first line, with your 3rd line set as is. Assuming a 4th line of Cizikas centering 2 veteran UFA pickups, maybe Richard Park returns to this team on the 4th line.
Well I don't know about all of that, but I'd rather they spend 5 million on Parenteau and Jokinen than Rolston.
Which is the reason Snow needs to do HIS work at the draft and acquiring legit NHL players before UFA season.
If you actually demonstrate to the market you are serious and execute on it, before the UFA market opens, then it might be that much easier to sign a UFA when money is not the issue, but the organizations commitment to winning is.
Blitz, a normal organization does that. The Isles don't. I would love to see that happen but I am not going to hold my breathe. Snow and Wang are dbags.
