The Isles should definitely push to sign Schultz if he does not come to terms with Anaheim.
Of course, this would see us grabbing a kid who is doing something to his drafter that the Islanders have been bitten in the butt about several times.
The universe putting itself back in order perhaps?
Of course, I haven't followed why he wouldn't want to sign in Anaheim? If it's a guaranteed NHL spot he wants, they too can pretty much give him that - as much as we could I would think.
Can't imagine what would motivate him to sign with us at top dollars allowed that would prevent him from signing elsewhere.
Snow got Hillen to sign, at a time he was a top college ufa and being heavily pursued by several teams.
I think the isles were able to offer a quicker path to the nhl and they also agreed to play Hillen in the final few weeks of the season,burning a yr off his ELC.
Going into the offseason, viewing our own free agents this is what I would do with the following players.
UFA's
Pandolfo- not retained, has done alright in his PK role, but is done.
PAP- Try and convince him to stay without over paying (4M per X 4Y would be my max offer)
Eaton/Jurcina- Tough call, I don't think Eaton is as bad as people make him out to be. Jurcina has size and a hard shot. I'd probably lean toward Jurcina on a 1 yr 1.7 M deal.
Staios- Has been a good soldier like Pandolfo, but done as well
Reese- Re-sign. Solid depth defenseman 1 yr 1 way, 525 K
Montoya or Nabakov- Tough call, Nabakov has been good and we've reportedly been in negotiations with him. I like Montoya a lot, but has been injured often.
Other UFA's
Gillies- Let walk, there's no need him even in Bridgeport.
Colliton- BST captain, If Isles want him back, so do I. The team's recent struggles could be partially blamed due to Colliton's injury.
Frischmon- I thought he's been a good veteran influence on our youngsters in Bridgeport, I'd keep him. If Colliton is not back and Frischmon is I'd want Frischmon to be the next captain.
RFA's
Martin-Re-sign 5 years 1.25 mil a season if he accepts it.
Koskinen-Tender, back to NA, 2 way
Rakhshani-Tender 2 way
Katic-Tender 2 way
Wishart- Not Tendered
DiBennedetto-Tender 2 way, might make Isles as 4th line agitator.
Marcinko- Not Tendered, prob goes to Europe.
Riendeau- Not Tendered, prob goes to Europe.
Romano- Not Tendered, has been in Thompson's dog house all season
McNeely- I say tendered, disappointing offensively, but has been hard nosed, dropping the gloves on several occasions. 50/50 whether if he's brought back.
Backman- Never should of gotten NHL deal to begin with.
Haley- 1 yr, 1 way, league minimum.
Id like us to trade Charles Wang for Mike Illitch and Garth Snow for John Davidson.
Pap 5 years 20M (4M per) We gotta spend the money somewhere, may as well spend on someone who can play well with JT.
Nabby 2 years/6M (2nd year club option)
Suter 8 years/48M (6M per)
That should get us to the cap floor. I totally expect to end up with crap though.
Id like us to trade Charles Wang for Mike Illitch and Garth Snow for John Davidson.
Pap 5 years 20M (4M per) We gotta spend the money somewhere, may as well spend on someone who can play well with JT.
Nabby 2 years/6M (2nd year club option)
Suter 8 years/48M (6M per)
That should get us to the cap floor. I totally expect to end up with crap though.
there is quite literally a 0% chance that Suter wouldnt get more than 6mil per from another club. The isles would have to offer him something like 8/64 for him to consider here imo..
He plays both RW and C. It would also take a lot to pry Pavelski out of San Jose, but I think he would be a great player for this team.
He fits in too well in San Jose for them to trade him and they aren't going into a rebuild so the pick does nothing for them.
Snow and Wang are going to keep the pick and hopefully take one of Murray, Dumba, or Trouba.
Phoenix loves first rounders and they need centers so maybe they would be interested in Bailey. They also have a lot of quality defenseman, both veterans and prospects.
All I am asking for is to sign either Parise or Suter...
If we get one of these players, I would be satisfied. We haven't signed a big name UFA in years, can this finally be the year where Wang spends some money to help the team win??
All I am asking for is to sign either Parise or Suter...
Is that all? We don't have much chance to get either of these guys. If they become available, every other team will be after them, too. Good players, though.
So, now to ask the pressing question: What do you think Snow will do?
And another one is really prevalent: How does anyone here think this team is re-signing BOTH Nabokov and Parenteau, if even one of them? It could happen, but some here seem to see it as a given.
So, now to ask the pressing question: What do you think Snow will do?
And another one is really prevalent: How does anyone here think this team is re-signing BOTH Nabokov and Parenteau, if even one of them? It could happen, but some here seem to see it as a given.
Dunno why?
Sure would like to see Schultz signed though!
Nabokov couldn't cost that much could he? He expressed interest in resigning here earlier in the season. Parenteau has to have some respect for the organization that made him.
I doubt Schultz leaves the Ducks but if he does he would sign with his favorite team which I believe is Toronto.
All I am asking for is to sign either Parise or Suter...
If we get one of these players, I would be satisfied. We haven't signed a big name UFA in years, can this finally be the year where Wang spends some money to help the team win??
No way they sign here. Many clubs will be able to offer them a LOT of money and Isles can't offer the winning environment.
No way they sign here. Many clubs will be able to offer them a LOT of money and Isles can't offer the winning environment.
When a GM signs a player they make a presentation right? These are possible objects that may influence Suter or other free agents:
1. Resign Nabokov and Parenteau
2. Solid goaltending tandem of Poulin and Nabokov plus DP and prospects
3. Tavares
4. Selecting one of Murray or Dumba
5. Player (Suter in this case) will be the missing piece
6. Lastly the actual offer; anywhere from 6 to 8 mil long term and front loaded
Nabokov couldn't cost that much could he? He expressed interest in resigning here earlier in the season.
What he'll cost is something he'll first determine on the open market. The Isles doing NOTHING at the trade deadline and then collapsing down the stretch, as everyone predicted would be the case, surely isn't a great selling point.
In addition, that ONE article talking about interest in resigning came out a week before the trade deadline. Folks, don't think for a second that had more to do with actually resigning than it did with possibly raising his trading price heading into the deadline.
I'm often amazed how often some of us truly take these things at face value.
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Parenteau has to have some respect for the organization that made him.
As I wrote a dozen times around the trade deadline, the guy is 28/29, has just turned himself into a 65 point scorer in the NHL after a 52 point rookie season while establishing himself as a viable power play option off the left boards. He's living in a day and age where there are teams giving Leino 6 million a year and Fleischmann 4 million a year. He's facing THE biggest paycheck opportunity of his life - at least he has to see it as such.
He owes it to himself and his (future) family to cash in as big as possible for as long as possible at this juncture.
I don't know how any rational person could think he'd push THAT aside to show some respect for the organization that gave him a shot.
If Snow wants to keep him, it's gonna cost more money AND years than he and the Isles would ideally like to give the guy.
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I doubt Schultz leaves the Ducks but if he does he would sign with his favorite team which I believe is Toronto.
At the moment, the chances of Schultz not signing with Anaheim are greater than either Nabokov or Parenteau re-signing with with the Islanders.
This said, I too think his chances of signing with the Islanders are slim to none. We know that Gardiner is one of his best buddies and it wouldn't be inconceivable that he'd go to Maple Leaf Land to start his NHL career.
What he'll cost is something he'll first determine on the open market. The Isles doing NOTHING at the trade deadline and then collapsing down the stretch, as everyone predicted would be the case, surely isn't a great selling point.
In addition, that ONE article talking about interest in resigning came out a week before the trade deadline. Folks, don't think for a second that had more to do with actually resigning than it did with possibly raising his trading price heading into the deadline.
I'm often amazed how often some of us truly take these things at face value.
As I wrote a dozen times around the trade deadline, the guy is 28/29, has just turned himself into a 65 point scorer in the NHL after a 52 point rookie season while establishing himself as a viable power play option off the left boards. He's living in a day and age where there are teams giving Leino 6 million a year and Fleischmann 4 million a year. He's facing THE biggest paycheck opportunity of his life - at least he has to see it as such.
He owes it to himself and his (future) family to cash in as big as possible for as long as possible at this juncture.
I don't know how any rational person could think he'd push THAT aside to show some respect for the organization that gave him a shot.
If Snow wants to keep him, it's gonna cost more money AND years than he and the Isles would ideally like to give the guy.
At the moment, the chances of Schultz not signing with Anaheim are greater than either Nabokov or Parenteau re-signing with with the Islanders.
This said, I too think his chances of signing with the Islanders are slim to none. We know that Gardiner is one of his best buddies and it wouldn't be inconceivable that he'd go to Maple Leaf Land to start his NHL career.
I'd still like to see it though...
Yes, there are dumb GMs who overpay for free agents and take solid players away and put them in a position they don't belong in. Parenteau or Nabokov or both may be in that situation next year. Sadly, watching them suck isn't enough because they could've done well if they had taken a reasonable contract. Maybe GMs have learned from the Leino signing but I doubt it.
Here's something I just thought of:
Dustin Brown, Alec Martinez for Michael Grabner, Kyle Okposo, 2012 2nd, Prospect/Pick
In addition, that ONE article talking about interest in resigning came out a week before the trade deadline. Folks, don't think for a second that had more to do with actually resigning than it did with possibly raising his trading price heading into the deadline.
I'm often amazed how often some of us truly take these things at face value.
One article? The hell are you talking about? Did you miss the countless tweets from Bob Mackenzie, and Darren Dreger? Or do those tweets not matter because it would make your whole theory of the extension talks being used to up his trade value kind of look like BS?
One article? The hell are you talking about? Did you miss the countless tweets from Bob Mackenzie, and Darren Dreger? Or do those tweets not matter because it would make your whole theory of the extension talks being used to up his trade value kind of look like BS?
I missed the countless tweets, which surely found their origin in that one article, which was a local one.
Take those things with a grain of salt.
The timing is more important than what the agent is quoted on in the article we had posted here.
And agents and GMs posture; it's part of the business. Notice we've heard zilch since.
Wake me up if they actually come to an agreement.
Sadly, if the past few weeks have been any indication, I don't even think it'd be of benefit now to retain Nabokov...
Yes, there are dumb GMs who overpay for free agents and take solid players away and put them in a position they don't belong in. Parenteau or Nabokov or both may be in that situation next year. Sadly, watching them suck isn't enough because they could've done well if they had taken a reasonable contract. Maybe GMs have learned from the Leino signing but I doubt it.
And back to the drawing board come the next CBA talks.
Uhhh, when are they again?
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Here's something I just thought of:
Dustin Brown, Alec Martinez for Michael Grabner, Kyle Okposo, 2012 2nd, Prospect/Pick
Well, your thought is a good one, but not necessarily original. A number of posters here pretty much had this exact train of thought around the trade deadline.
Brown + mid-round pick for Okposo and Grabner, or something to that effect.
I kind of like Martinez myself... Like Brown, but feel your suggestion has to be seen as a bit of an overpayment from an Islander standpoint. The guy brings a lot to the table, but he's not gonna be a big scorer and his body has taken quite a beating thanks to his playing style.
And back to the drawing board come the next CBA talks.
Uhhh, when are they again?
Well, your thought is a good one, but not necessarily original. A number of posters here pretty much had this exact train of thought around the trade deadline.
Brown + mid-round pick for Okposo and Grabner, or something to that effect.
I kind of like Martinez myself... Like Brown, but feel your suggestion has to be seen as a bit of an overpayment from an Islander standpoint. The guy brings a lot to the table, but he's not gonna be a big scorer and his body has taken quite a beating thanks to his playing style.
You know we aren't trading anything or signing anyone. We might as well revolt.
You know we aren't trading anything or signing anyone. We might as well revolt.
Of course we'll sign someone. Several guys.
A guy hailing from Boston drafted in the early 1990's will replace Parenteau. Rick's skating so no need for Nabby. The hole Boston Rolston left will be met with a guy hailing from Boston drafted in 1994-5. A guy from Boston will be hired as a new assistant coach. A Boston bred guy will replace Thompson who will be an assistant for maybe Phoenix of Columbus. Cappy's from Boston, Boston Terrier will be drafted with our first because, well, no one else knows what we do in this draft. A Boston coach will replace Boston Cappy. Boston, Boston, Boston.
As I wrote a dozen times around the trade deadline, the guy is 28/29, has just turned himself into a 65 point scorer in the NHL after a 52 point rookie season while establishing himself as a viable power play option off the left boards. He's living in a day and age where there are teams giving Leino 6 million a year and Fleischmann 4 million a year. He's facing THE biggest paycheck opportunity of his life - at least he has to see it as such.
He owes it to himself and his (future) family to cash in as big as possible for as long as possible at this juncture.
I don't know how any rational person could think he'd push THAT aside to show some respect for the organization that gave him a shot.
So Moulson is out of his mind?
Imagine what he could have gotten on the open market. Assist guys are great, but you need finishers to get them assists.
I hope PA stays, and I hope he gets a fair price.
If he leaves, Garth better find someone to take his place. Not Nino, Garth.
We don't have much chance to get either of these guys. If they become available, every other team will be after them, too. Good players, though.
