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02-07-2012, 04:42 AM
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Is this the 4th yr of the 5 yr rebuild or the 1st yr?
Smyth trade 2/2007
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That's five years. "This year, we haven't had a great start, but it's not like we're getting killed out there every night."- Charles Wang

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I remember when the deal went down, many considered him to be the best player in the trade. Big power forwards carry a lot of value and he was looking like a stud. Considering the Blues are having a really good season, I scratch my head that he is not producing on a good team. He's still only 24 and he has shown the ability to score in the NHL, I doubt he'd be available. He would look really good on JT's wing and Stewart can drop the gloves too so there is a bit of protection for our franchise player.
Just look at the coaching change that happened in St Louis, and you'll figure out what happened to Stewart's numbers. The Blues are winning playing extremely conservative, defensive minded hockey, and have the second lowest goals allowed in the league because of it, even in spite of the rough start to the season. It wins games, but it also tends to have an effect on personal stats. Pretty much the entire team is on pace for statistically worse than usual seasons individually.

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Smyth trade 2/2007
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2009-10
2010-11
2011-12

That's five years. "This year, we haven't had a great start, but it's not like we're getting killed out there every night."- Charles Wang
The rebuild started after the 2007-08 season. Unless you believe Snow decided to to rebuild immediately after making the playoffs.


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Tired of Snow, want to do Milbury again. Did Milbury, want Maloney. Maloney didn't work, we need a Snow.

How about we hope Snow acts like Holland and keeps the kids and trades only to improve weaknesses from strength?
I hope you are being sarcastic saying we need a Snow. We need a GM that is leading us into our 5th straight season of the draft lotto? It is amazing how anyone can defend Snow. The guy is one of the worst GMs in sports history, his LOSING record speaks for itself. Wang is a terrible owner and Snow is a terrible GM, it is possible to have both.

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02-07-2012, 06:11 AM
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lets say theoretically we finish around 5 in the draft. would anyone be willing to trade(and does anyone think it would get us) the 2012 1st and Grabner for a top 2 pick? its just something thats been in my head for a few weeks now but i didnt want to make a whole thread dedicated it to it. The 'logic' behind this is that i dont see grabner repeating his performance from last year again and that he's REALLY weak around the boards and such, so if you could get a yakupov or grigorenko(sp) for him(which it would be essentially) i think it would be a marked improvement on the team.

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lets say theoretically we finish around 5 in the draft. would anyone be willing to trade(and does anyone think it would get us) the 2012 1st and Grabner for a top 2 pick? its just something thats been in my head for a few weeks now but i didnt want to make a whole thread dedicated it to it. The 'logic' behind this is that i dont see grabner repeating his performance from last year again and that he's REALLY weak around the boards and such, so if you could get a yakupov or grigorenko(sp) for him(which it would be essentially) i think it would be a marked improvement on the team.

Why would anyone want Grabner n his contract? it is Not a Jeff Carter or DP contract but....it was a few years and a good buck for a one time Season....

I am hoping it was not a one time thing....but to this point Grabs is not the same player as last year....

So Why would anyone want him?

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Minnesota fans are saying Zidlicky is struggling and could probably be had for cheap. Would anyone here take him for a pick?

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Smyth trade 2/2007
REBUILD
2007-8
2008-9
2009-10
2010-11
2011-12

That's five years. "This year, we haven't had a great start, but it's not like we're getting killed out there every night."- Charles Wang
Isles didn't decide to rebuild until they were rejected by top ufa vets like Smyth and Drury, in the summer of 2007.After the trade deadline and draft.

The first draft that they stockpiled picks and told fans they were going to have to restock their prospect pool was the 2008 draft.

2008-2009
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02-07-2012, 09:54 AM
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Minnesota fans are saying Zidlicky is struggling and could probably be had for cheap. Would anyone here take him for a pick?
A Yahoo article said he has a NTC ,but it expires at the draft.


I wonder if he'd simply waive it at the trade deadline ,if the Wild told him he'd be dealt to the NYI either at the trade deadline or at the draft.

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The rebuild started after the 2007-08 season. Unless you believe Snow decided to to rebuild immediately after making the playoffs.
Even in the 2008-09 season they tried to make the playoffs but then realized it wasn't going to happen, especially since DP was injured.
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Minnesota fans are saying Zidlicky is struggling and could probably be had for cheap. Would anyone here take him for a pick?
I would. I realize he is pretty bad right now but he screams change of scenery. Capuano would give him the minutes and responsibility he wants (read an article that said he and the coach don't see one on one) and Zidlicky would help because he is a puck moving dman which we need and helps out the PP because we do need a good right handed puck mover.

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In the first article ,Botta has a question and answer tweet session with fans.There are a couple of NYI questions.

The second article is an interview that the Preds gm gave.Polie says the lack of trades is because so many teams think they are still in the playoff race ,that no one wants to sell.The few teams that are looking to sell are asking sky high prices.


http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2...-q-a/#comments

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/conten...-possibilities

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lets say theoretically we finish around 5 in the draft. would anyone be willing to trade(and does anyone think it would get us) the 2012 1st and Grabner for a top 2 pick? its just something thats been in my head for a few weeks now but i didnt want to make a whole thread dedicated it to it. The 'logic' behind this is that i dont see grabner repeating his performance from last year again and that he's REALLY weak around the boards and such, so if you could get a yakupov or grigorenko(sp) for him(which it would be essentially) i think it would be a marked improvement on the team.
I would be against such a trade.Yeah, Grabner is having a sophmore slump.

But, keep in mind he's on pace for 25 goals and making a team friendly $1m.

In comparison a guy like Dustin Brown is on pace for 25 goals and making $4m.His teammate Richards is also on pace for 25 goals. I'm too lazy to look it up,but I'm gonna guess that Richards is making considerably more then $1m.

Snow is not trading Grabner and his team friendly contract.

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I would be against such a trade.Yeah, Grabner is having a sophmore slump.

But, keep in mind he's on pace for 25 goals and making a team friendly $1m.

In comparison a guy like Dustin Brown is on pace for 25 goals and making $4m.His teammate Richards is also on pace for 25 goals. I'm too lazy to look it up,but I'm gonna guess that Richards is making considerably more then $1m.

Snow is not trading Grabner and his team friendly contract.
"Rookie sensation Michael Grabner, who led the Islanders with 34 goals after being claimed off waivers, is staying with New York after agreeing to a US$15 million, five-year deal that keeps him away from free agency." tsn.ca http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=365568

3 million is not bad for a 30+ goal scorer but he has really struggled this year. I was hoping he spent all off-season on finishing but doesn't look that way.

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Even in the 2008-09 season they tried to make the playoffs but then realized it wasn't going to happen, especially since DP was injured.


I would. I realize he is pretty bad right now but he screams change of scenery. Capuano would give him the minutes and responsibility he wants (read an article that said he and the coach don't see one on one) and Zidlicky would help because he is a puck moving dman which we need and helps out the PP because we do need a good right handed puck mover.
I'd pass on Zidlicky, and I'd think that Snow would as well. He's 35, he played 46 games last season and only 35 this one. I think that rather than playing the "bandaid for bullethole" strategy of using players with most of their careers behind them rather than ahead, play the hand you've got until players that offer more stability with their redeeming qualities get within range.....unless he can be had for cheap/added incentive.

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At the deadline I would like to see the following(regardless of how close or not we are to a spot)

Re-Sign PA Parenteau- 3yrs 11 million

Try to re-sign Nabby, if he has no interest but we are still in it, hold on to him, losing him for nothing isnt exactly a big deal considering how we got him. If we aren't any closer trade him.

To DET: Evgeni Nabokov

To NYI: 2nd rd pick in 2012

Next, I love Franzy and what he brings, but with him, Bailey, Strome, Cizikas and even Ullstrom being all centers at some point Snow has to make a decision to move one of them. It would be Strome or Cizikas, that leaves Bailey and Nielsen. Considering Franzy has more value and is a UFA, i can see Snow choosing to move Nielsen instead. So, regardless of position at the deadline I would like to see this:

To SJS: Frans Nielsen, 3rd rd pick in 2012

To NYI: Douglas Murray

Lastly, with Nielsen theoretically gone, they would need a 2nd line center. Right now, Josh Bailey is not that. Eventually it will be Ryan Strome, but in the mean time they could use a guy to fill the 2nd line center position. I would like for them to acquire Derek Roy but I don't see Snow moving the assets to do it. Sam Gagner has been red hot, but his name has always popped up in trade rumors over the last year or so as a guy the Oilers could move. He is one of JTs best friends and is decent #2 center option for the time being.

To Edm: Aaron Ness, 2nd rd pick in 2012

To NYI: Sam Gagner.

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Why would anyone want Grabner n his contract? it is Not a Jeff Carter or DP contract but....it was a few years and a good buck for a one time Season....

I am hoping it was not a one time thing....but to this point Grabs is not the same player as last year....

So Why would anyone want him?
Because he offers something you can't teach. I would think a former 35 goal scorer with world class speed could bring you up 3 spots. because a team like columbus might not want to draft a russian and grabner might be worth them willing to drop 3 places?

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Why would anyone want Grabner n his contract? it is Not a Jeff Carter or DP contract but....it was a few years and a good buck for a one time Season....

I am hoping it was not a one time thing....but to this point Grabs is not the same player as last year....

So Why would anyone want him?


Yeah, he's an awful player with no upside and is on a terrible team-hating 5 year 15 million dollar contract... curse him!

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At the deadline I would like to see the following(regardless of how close or not we are to a spot)

Re-Sign PA Parenteau- 3yrs 11 million

Try to re-sign Nabby, if he has no interest but we are still in it, hold on to him, losing him for nothing isnt exactly a big deal considering how we got him. If we aren't any closer trade him.

To DET: Evgeni Nabokov

To NYI: 2nd rd pick in 2012

Next, I love Franzy and what he brings, but with him, Bailey, Strome, Cizikas and even Ullstrom being all centers at some point Snow has to make a decision to move one of them. It would be Strome or Cizikas, that leaves Bailey and Nielsen. Considering Franzy has more value and is a UFA, i can see Snow choosing to move Nielsen instead. So, regardless of position at the deadline I would like to see this:

To SJS: Frans Nielsen, 3rd rd pick in 2012

To NYI: Douglas Murray

Lastly, with Nielsen theoretically gone, they would need a 2nd line center. Right now, Josh Bailey is not that. Eventually it will be Ryan Strome, but in the mean time they could use a guy to fill the 2nd line center position. I would like for them to acquire Derek Roy but I don't see Snow moving the assets to do it. Sam Gagner has been red hot, but his name has always popped up in trade rumors over the last year or so as a guy the Oilers could move. He is one of JTs best friends and is decent #2 center option for the time being.

To Edm: Aaron Ness, 2nd rd pick in 2012

To NYI: Sam Gagner.

Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Grabner-Gagner-Parenteau
Martin-Bailey-Rakshani
Wallace-Pandolfo-Niederreiter

Streit-Murray
Hamonic-AMac
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Apart from the Gagner trade I think you make some sound propositions here. The Isles don't need Gagner or another smallish center like him, they need someone with power. Gagner is essentially another Bailey.

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Ryan Whitney may be put on waivers

What do you guys think about picking him up in our sad state of Dmen?

downside, he's missed 133 games in the past 4 years

upside, he's an offensively gifted dman.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=615720

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What do you guys think about picking him up in our sad state of Dmen?

downside, he's missed 133 games in the past 4 years

upside, he's an offensively gifted dman.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=615720
whats his contract like?

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I believe the author is referring to the "Fantasy Hockey" waiver wire.

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whats his contract like?
He makes $5mil this year and $5.5 next season with a cap hit of $4mil.. He's a UFA after next season.

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I thought the fantasy thing was just a comment.. It sounded like a real article?

The guy has proven that he can come back after injury, unlike the other 5 million dollar man. He's a good short term solution and I'd prefer him over the same price we pay Rolston.

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He has never been the same since he left Pittsburgh. I would pick him up surely but would wang allow it?



SEASON TEAM GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG % PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG GTG TOI/G PROD
'05-'06 PIT---68 6 32 38 -7 85 113 5.3 2 14 0 1 1 -- 23:50 42:38
'06-'07 PIT-- 81---14 45 59 9 77 129 10.9 9 24 0 1 2 -- 23:56 32:52
'07-'08 PIT---76---12 28 40 -2 45 119 10.1 7 15 1 0 1 -- 22:27 42:39
'08-'09 ANA --20---0 10 10 1 12 29 0.0 0 5 0 0 0 -- 22:53 45:46
'08-'09 PIT--2------2 11 13 -15 16 42 4.8 1 5 0 0 0 -- 24:34 52:55
'09-'10 EDM-19---- 3 8 11 7 22 44 6.8 0 4 0 0 1 -- 25:23 43:50
'09-'10 ANA-62---- 4 24 28 -6 48 107 3.7 3 10 0 0 0 -- 24:34 54:23
'10-'11 EDM--35--- 2 25 27 13 33 43 4.7 0 7 0 2 0 -- 25:20 32:51
'11-'12 EDM-22---- 1 7 8 -11 6 11 9.1 1 4 0 0 0 -- 18:59 52:14
Career 411 44 190 234 -11 344 637 6.9 23 88 1 4 5 0 -- -


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Why????

Overpaid ....90 year old


Why????

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Wrong guy....lol.....

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